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| famicommander | Thursday Dec 29 2011, 06:40 PM Post #1 |
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I think I am just going to use this topic as a general catch-all for Indoor and Arena Football in 2012. There are a lot of leagues this year, so first I'll separate them into tiers. The top flight league is, of course, the Arena Football League. Players in every other league listed generally feed into the AFL (as well as NFL and CFL borderline players and AFL homegrown talent). AFL teams play in the largest markets, generally have TV contracts, and have been around the longest. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arena_Football_League http://www.arenafootball.com/frontpage Next up is the IFL, or Indoor Football League. The Indoor game is a bit different from the Arena game, but the basic concepts are similar. The IFL is older and more established than most of the other indoor leagues and they're the only other one with a truly national footprint. This is the league that has a team in Colorado, as well as the league TO will supposedly suit up for. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indoor_Football_League http://goifl.com/ The rest of the leagues are more or less regional only. The only one I will bother with is the PIFL, or Professional Indoor Football League, because they have a team in Huntsville, Alabama for our good trailer-dwelling friends down there. The PIFL season starts in March and they play a game more similar to the AFL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_Indoor_Football_League_(2012) OLD OP: ------------------
http://espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/story/_/id/7401577/gm-allen-wranglers-close-deal-terrell-owens The Indoor Football League (IFL) is generally held to be a tier below the Arena Football League, so this would be one hell of a signing for a team of this size. There's an IFL (http://www.thecoloradoice.com/) team in the Loveland-Fort Collins Metro Area (about an hour or so North of Denver) and the Allen Wranglers are scheduled to be coming to play there, so I will definitely go catch that game if TO does indeed play. Edited by famicommander, Thursday Jan 5 2012, 04:24 PM.
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Denver Broncos: defending champs, 8-6, next game 12/25 @ Kansas City Chiefs Colorado Rockies: 75-87, missed playoffs Colorado Avalanche: 11-18-1, next game 12/20 @ Minnesota Wild Denver Nuggets: 12-16, next game 12/20 @ Los Angeles Clippers Colorado Mammoth: first game 12/30 @ Buffalo Bandits Denver Outlaws: defending champs, first game 4/22 @ Charlotte Hounds Colorado State Rams football: 7-5, next game Idaho Bowl 12/22 vs Idaho Vandals Colorado State Rams basketball: 8-4, next game 12/22 vs Long Beach State 49ers Winnipeg Blue Bombers: 11-7, lost West Division Semifinal Denver Pioneers Lacrosse: first game 1/24 vs Johns Hopkins Blue Jays #2 Denver Pioneers Hockey: 12-3-3, next game 12/30 @ Providence College Friars | |
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| famicommander | Tuesday Jan 3 2012, 04:38 PM Post #2 |
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So... nobody else has anything to say about this? |
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Denver Broncos: defending champs, 8-6, next game 12/25 @ Kansas City Chiefs Colorado Rockies: 75-87, missed playoffs Colorado Avalanche: 11-18-1, next game 12/20 @ Minnesota Wild Denver Nuggets: 12-16, next game 12/20 @ Los Angeles Clippers Colorado Mammoth: first game 12/30 @ Buffalo Bandits Denver Outlaws: defending champs, first game 4/22 @ Charlotte Hounds Colorado State Rams football: 7-5, next game Idaho Bowl 12/22 vs Idaho Vandals Colorado State Rams basketball: 8-4, next game 12/22 vs Long Beach State 49ers Winnipeg Blue Bombers: 11-7, lost West Division Semifinal Denver Pioneers Lacrosse: first game 1/24 vs Johns Hopkins Blue Jays #2 Denver Pioneers Hockey: 12-3-3, next game 12/30 @ Providence College Friars | |
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| Brokemon | Tuesday Jan 3 2012, 07:05 PM Post #3 |
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| famicommander | Thursday Jan 5 2012, 04:30 PM Post #4 |
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This year I will be following the Iowa Barnstormers (the official Arena Football team of Stephen Colbert and The Board) Colorado Ice (IFL) Alabama Hammers (PIFL) There's also supposed to be a team called the Colorado Lightning playing in Colorado Springs in the APFL (which is one of the smallest indoor leagues), but they seem pretty amateurish so far. I might catch a game and see how it goes. |
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Denver Broncos: defending champs, 8-6, next game 12/25 @ Kansas City Chiefs Colorado Rockies: 75-87, missed playoffs Colorado Avalanche: 11-18-1, next game 12/20 @ Minnesota Wild Denver Nuggets: 12-16, next game 12/20 @ Los Angeles Clippers Colorado Mammoth: first game 12/30 @ Buffalo Bandits Denver Outlaws: defending champs, first game 4/22 @ Charlotte Hounds Colorado State Rams football: 7-5, next game Idaho Bowl 12/22 vs Idaho Vandals Colorado State Rams basketball: 8-4, next game 12/22 vs Long Beach State 49ers Winnipeg Blue Bombers: 11-7, lost West Division Semifinal Denver Pioneers Lacrosse: first game 1/24 vs Johns Hopkins Blue Jays #2 Denver Pioneers Hockey: 12-3-3, next game 12/30 @ Providence College Friars | |
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| famicommander | Friday Jan 6 2012, 05:29 PM Post #5 |
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It looks like Dan Gilbert (owner of the NBA's Cleveland Cavaliers and AHL's Lake Erie Monsters) has purchased the AFL's Cleveland Gladiators outright. That's very good news for the league. The Tampa Bay Storm are owned by the guys who own the NHL's Lightning (as well as part of the Boston Red Sox). The Gladiators had previously been owned by a bunch of joker clowns with terrible reputations and no money, so it'll be great for the franchise to have some stability and credibility. There was rampant speculation earlier in the year that the team would have to move to Nashville or Miami, but it looks like Gilbert has saved the team. |
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Denver Broncos: defending champs, 8-6, next game 12/25 @ Kansas City Chiefs Colorado Rockies: 75-87, missed playoffs Colorado Avalanche: 11-18-1, next game 12/20 @ Minnesota Wild Denver Nuggets: 12-16, next game 12/20 @ Los Angeles Clippers Colorado Mammoth: first game 12/30 @ Buffalo Bandits Denver Outlaws: defending champs, first game 4/22 @ Charlotte Hounds Colorado State Rams football: 7-5, next game Idaho Bowl 12/22 vs Idaho Vandals Colorado State Rams basketball: 8-4, next game 12/22 vs Long Beach State 49ers Winnipeg Blue Bombers: 11-7, lost West Division Semifinal Denver Pioneers Lacrosse: first game 1/24 vs Johns Hopkins Blue Jays #2 Denver Pioneers Hockey: 12-3-3, next game 12/30 @ Providence College Friars | |
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| famicommander | Tuesday Jan 17 2012, 06:01 PM Post #6 |
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Dan Gilbert's purchase of the Gladiators is complete: http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7469329/cleveland-cavaliers-owner-dan-gilbert-buys-cleveland-gladiators-arena-league?eleven=twelve |
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Denver Broncos: defending champs, 8-6, next game 12/25 @ Kansas City Chiefs Colorado Rockies: 75-87, missed playoffs Colorado Avalanche: 11-18-1, next game 12/20 @ Minnesota Wild Denver Nuggets: 12-16, next game 12/20 @ Los Angeles Clippers Colorado Mammoth: first game 12/30 @ Buffalo Bandits Denver Outlaws: defending champs, first game 4/22 @ Charlotte Hounds Colorado State Rams football: 7-5, next game Idaho Bowl 12/22 vs Idaho Vandals Colorado State Rams basketball: 8-4, next game 12/22 vs Long Beach State 49ers Winnipeg Blue Bombers: 11-7, lost West Division Semifinal Denver Pioneers Lacrosse: first game 1/24 vs Johns Hopkins Blue Jays #2 Denver Pioneers Hockey: 12-3-3, next game 12/30 @ Providence College Friars | |
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| famicommander | Thursday Jan 19 2012, 04:26 PM Post #7 |
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Some dude on Craigslist has four official AFL footballs, each autographed by the entire Colorado Crush roster (one from each season from 2004-2007), which includes the Arena Bowl Champion team from 2005. I offered him 20 bucks for them. We'll see how that goes. |
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Denver Broncos: defending champs, 8-6, next game 12/25 @ Kansas City Chiefs Colorado Rockies: 75-87, missed playoffs Colorado Avalanche: 11-18-1, next game 12/20 @ Minnesota Wild Denver Nuggets: 12-16, next game 12/20 @ Los Angeles Clippers Colorado Mammoth: first game 12/30 @ Buffalo Bandits Denver Outlaws: defending champs, first game 4/22 @ Charlotte Hounds Colorado State Rams football: 7-5, next game Idaho Bowl 12/22 vs Idaho Vandals Colorado State Rams basketball: 8-4, next game 12/22 vs Long Beach State 49ers Winnipeg Blue Bombers: 11-7, lost West Division Semifinal Denver Pioneers Lacrosse: first game 1/24 vs Johns Hopkins Blue Jays #2 Denver Pioneers Hockey: 12-3-3, next game 12/30 @ Providence College Friars | |
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| famicommander | Thursday Jan 19 2012, 04:27 PM Post #8 |
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Denver Broncos: defending champs, 8-6, next game 12/25 @ Kansas City Chiefs Colorado Rockies: 75-87, missed playoffs Colorado Avalanche: 11-18-1, next game 12/20 @ Minnesota Wild Denver Nuggets: 12-16, next game 12/20 @ Los Angeles Clippers Colorado Mammoth: first game 12/30 @ Buffalo Bandits Denver Outlaws: defending champs, first game 4/22 @ Charlotte Hounds Colorado State Rams football: 7-5, next game Idaho Bowl 12/22 vs Idaho Vandals Colorado State Rams basketball: 8-4, next game 12/22 vs Long Beach State 49ers Winnipeg Blue Bombers: 11-7, lost West Division Semifinal Denver Pioneers Lacrosse: first game 1/24 vs Johns Hopkins Blue Jays #2 Denver Pioneers Hockey: 12-3-3, next game 12/30 @ Providence College Friars | |
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| famicommander | Monday Jan 23 2012, 01:19 PM Post #9 |
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So it looks like 2013 will be a big year for expansion. At the Conference Championship game last year AFL Commissioner Jerry Kurz confirmed that New York would be entering the league in 2013. Nashville almost entered this season, but due to some legal gymnastics they have to wait until next season. But the team will be owned by the Nashville Predators NHL ownership, so that should be good for the AFL. And today news surfaced that the man who recently purchased the Detroit Pistons and their arena is interested in bringing an AFL team back to Detroit. The Tampa Bay Storm share ownership with the NHL's Lightning and MLB's Red Sox, while the Cleveland Gladiators share ownership with the NBA's Cavaliers. I think this is the model for the league going forward. This is the path for the league back into markets like Denver and Los Angeles. It costs in the single-digit millions of dollars to run an AFL team. Assuming average ticket prices of 25 dollars and attendance of 10,000 per game, they're looking at 250,000 dollars per game times nine home games (not including preseason or playoffs) you're already looking at over two million dollars in ticket revenue alone. But if you own/control your arena (as most NBA and NHL teams do) then you also keep concessions and parking money, which can be huge. Then you factor in TV/radio contracts and sponsorships and the business model is clear. The owners make money filling their arenas with a low-costs sports team during months when most arenas are desperate for anything to fill dates. Prime candidates in my book: Denver - Stan and Josh Kroenke own the Pepsi Center, Dick's Sporting Goods Park, the Avalanche, the Nuggets, the Mammoth, the Rapids, the St Louis Rams, and FC Arsenal. The old Crush used to play in Pepsi Center, they had great attendance, and Kroenke used to be a minority owner (along with John Elway and Broncos/Outlaws owner Pat Bowlen). Hopefully this happens next season. Boston - the league has wanted to get into Boston for years now, and the arena just lost a tenant in the NLL's Boston Blazers. The Celtics and Bruins are extremely well supported and there's no reason to think an AFL team couldn't succeed there as well. Seattle - the old Oklahoma City franchise almost moved to Seattle last year, but they were instead forced to fold due to legal issues with the relocation. The city has no NHL team and they lost their NBA team, so their arena is sitting pretty much empty (only a WNBA team plays there now). There are many rumors of Seattle trying to get into both the NHL and NBA, with local rich dudes using the possible teams as leverage to help get a new arena built. You'd think that an AFL team could fit right into those plans. Anaheim - I say Anaheim instead of Los Angeles because the old owner of the AFL's Avengers, Casey Wasserman, is now tied up with trying to bring an NFL team to the market. The Staples Center is already home to two NBA teams, one NBA D-League team, one WNBA team, and one NHL team. The only reason the old Avengers were able to play there is due to Wasserman's influence, but without him I don't think an AFL team could break into that tough schedule. But Anaheim just barely missed getting an NBA team last year and the Ducks' NHL owner has been looking for more sports teams to play in the arena. Plus the media market is still LA, and that's too big for the league to ignore. Miami - the Heat have the big three, the Panthers are going through a bit of resurgence, and if Dan Gilbert hadn't purchased the Cleveland Gladiators their old owner was planning to move them to Miami. My money is on said old owning running down to Miami and striking up a deal with Heat or Panthers ownership for an expansion franchise. Plus, the franchises in Orlando, Tampa, and Jacksonville are three of the most successful in terms of attendance. Arena Football seems to work well in Florida. |
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Denver Broncos: defending champs, 8-6, next game 12/25 @ Kansas City Chiefs Colorado Rockies: 75-87, missed playoffs Colorado Avalanche: 11-18-1, next game 12/20 @ Minnesota Wild Denver Nuggets: 12-16, next game 12/20 @ Los Angeles Clippers Colorado Mammoth: first game 12/30 @ Buffalo Bandits Denver Outlaws: defending champs, first game 4/22 @ Charlotte Hounds Colorado State Rams football: 7-5, next game Idaho Bowl 12/22 vs Idaho Vandals Colorado State Rams basketball: 8-4, next game 12/22 vs Long Beach State 49ers Winnipeg Blue Bombers: 11-7, lost West Division Semifinal Denver Pioneers Lacrosse: first game 1/24 vs Johns Hopkins Blue Jays #2 Denver Pioneers Hockey: 12-3-3, next game 12/30 @ Providence College Friars | |
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| famicommander | Monday Jan 30 2012, 05:59 PM Post #10 |
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The AFL announced today that it is adding a sixth referee to the standard game setup, so there will now be two back judges instead of one. Also, instant replay will now be available to review calls in all games. The last two seasons it was only available in NFL Network games as the network was fronting the costs, but this year the league itself is paying for the replay equipment to be placed in all arenas. Glad to see that at least one pro sports league is attempting to improve its officiating *cough*NBA*cough* |
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Denver Broncos: defending champs, 8-6, next game 12/25 @ Kansas City Chiefs Colorado Rockies: 75-87, missed playoffs Colorado Avalanche: 11-18-1, next game 12/20 @ Minnesota Wild Denver Nuggets: 12-16, next game 12/20 @ Los Angeles Clippers Colorado Mammoth: first game 12/30 @ Buffalo Bandits Denver Outlaws: defending champs, first game 4/22 @ Charlotte Hounds Colorado State Rams football: 7-5, next game Idaho Bowl 12/22 vs Idaho Vandals Colorado State Rams basketball: 8-4, next game 12/22 vs Long Beach State 49ers Winnipeg Blue Bombers: 11-7, lost West Division Semifinal Denver Pioneers Lacrosse: first game 1/24 vs Johns Hopkins Blue Jays #2 Denver Pioneers Hockey: 12-3-3, next game 12/30 @ Providence College Friars | |
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| famicommander | Tuesday Mar 6 2012, 12:15 PM Post #11 |
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So the Colorado Ice have started off the season 1-1. They lost to the New Mexico Stars 46-39 on 2/26 in New Mexico. On 3/4 they beat the Wyoming Cavalry at home, 72-36, setting a franchise record for points scored in a game in the process. Next game is 3/10 against the Tri-Cities Fever, then TO's Allen Wranglers come to town. |
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Denver Broncos: defending champs, 8-6, next game 12/25 @ Kansas City Chiefs Colorado Rockies: 75-87, missed playoffs Colorado Avalanche: 11-18-1, next game 12/20 @ Minnesota Wild Denver Nuggets: 12-16, next game 12/20 @ Los Angeles Clippers Colorado Mammoth: first game 12/30 @ Buffalo Bandits Denver Outlaws: defending champs, first game 4/22 @ Charlotte Hounds Colorado State Rams football: 7-5, next game Idaho Bowl 12/22 vs Idaho Vandals Colorado State Rams basketball: 8-4, next game 12/22 vs Long Beach State 49ers Winnipeg Blue Bombers: 11-7, lost West Division Semifinal Denver Pioneers Lacrosse: first game 1/24 vs Johns Hopkins Blue Jays #2 Denver Pioneers Hockey: 12-3-3, next game 12/30 @ Providence College Friars | |
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| famicommander | Saturday May 26 2012, 09:17 AM Post #12 |
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AFL commissioner Jerry Kurz announced Friday night that the league's former development league, af2, will be returning in the near future. That could mean teams like Birmingham and Green Bay. He also confirmed that expansion teams will be announced at the Arena Bowl later this summer. Come on, Denver! |
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Denver Broncos: defending champs, 8-6, next game 12/25 @ Kansas City Chiefs Colorado Rockies: 75-87, missed playoffs Colorado Avalanche: 11-18-1, next game 12/20 @ Minnesota Wild Denver Nuggets: 12-16, next game 12/20 @ Los Angeles Clippers Colorado Mammoth: first game 12/30 @ Buffalo Bandits Denver Outlaws: defending champs, first game 4/22 @ Charlotte Hounds Colorado State Rams football: 7-5, next game Idaho Bowl 12/22 vs Idaho Vandals Colorado State Rams basketball: 8-4, next game 12/22 vs Long Beach State 49ers Winnipeg Blue Bombers: 11-7, lost West Division Semifinal Denver Pioneers Lacrosse: first game 1/24 vs Johns Hopkins Blue Jays #2 Denver Pioneers Hockey: 12-3-3, next game 12/30 @ Providence College Friars | |
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