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Topic Started: Thursday May 19 2011, 12:52 PM (1,776 Views)
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Super Street Fighter IV Arcade Edition uses always-online DRM on PC.

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If you aren’t signed in to an online GFWL profile, the offline mode has limited functionality. Obviously there’s no online play, access to replay channels or other online-centric features (and this is the part that keeps the online play secure from hackers or pirates). Additionally, you won’t be able to save any progress in challenges or settings, won’t have access to any DLC you’ve purchased and all local play will be restricted to 15 of the 39 characters.

Capcom just went full retard. I have the feeling that Super SF IV wouldn't be as popular in the university game room if you couldn't use half the fucking roster without an Internet connection (and most people in said game room use their consoles without an available Internet connection).

You can't save progress while offline, either. Another bad move. And it's certainly not helping the views on payware DLC here that you can't even fucking use what you paid for if you're offline (as if the main game wasn't already afflicted by that).

There's a follow-up, too.

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Question 4: There seems to be a lot of supposition that the pirates will instantly crack whatever protections we put in place. One never knows, that could well be true. Personally, I'm not quite as defeatist. One at least has to try. Now, if we promised to "sunset" those protections in the event of a crack being created so that legitimate users don't have a substandard experience to pirates, is that an acceptable solution?


How long is that gonna take? They'd certainly have to deliver on that promise to remove the DRM BS as soon as it's cracked.
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I'm not posting in this thread. This seems ass ram a scam.
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Some people just don't understand the nature of software piracy. Many still think it is synonymous with theft. Which is why they think it can, and needs to be "stopped."
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big deal. i dont see anything wrong with this. they want to make money off of it, and arent invoking the law to do it. instead of going around doing factory lawsuits like many companies (especially those in the movie and music industry) do, they are finding a better way.

I dont agree with inbuttslutectual property at all, but im not opposed to one creating software they way they choose, and capcom is choosing to make software that requires validation. Not only can you skip out on the game, the validation process is painless.
Edited by Necrotrophic, Thursday May 26 2011, 05:05 PM.
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Thursday May 26 2011, 05:05 PM
i dont see anything wrong with this
You wouldn't.
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i know, because theres nothing wrong with it.
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Necrotrophic
Thursday May 26 2011, 05:17 PM
i know, because theres nothing wrong with it.
There is most definitely something wrong with punishing legitimate users in a vain attempt to stop piracy. Because a bunch of people decided to download the game online for free, everyone who paid good money for it gets fucked in the ass? How does that make sense?
Denver Broncos: defending champs, 8-6, next game 12/25 @ Kansas City Chiefs
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Denver Nuggets: 12-16, next game 12/20 @ Los Angeles Clippers
Colorado Mammoth: first game 12/30 @ Buffalo Bandits
Denver Outlaws: defending champs, first game 4/22 @ Charlotte Hounds
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Winnipeg Blue Bombers: 11-7, lost West Division Semifinal
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nobody is getting fucked. there is no punishment.

calm down.
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Limiting legitimate customer's usage of their legally owned software while pirates get all the control they want is a royal ass-fucking. Full homo.
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Necrotrophic
Thursday May 26 2011, 05:25 PM
nobody is getting fucked. there is no punishment.

calm down.
Is this kid serious?
Denver Broncos: defending champs, 8-6, next game 12/25 @ Kansas City Chiefs
Colorado Rockies: 75-87, missed playoffs
Colorado Avalanche: 11-18-1, next game 12/20 @ Minnesota Wild
Denver Nuggets: 12-16, next game 12/20 @ Los Angeles Clippers
Colorado Mammoth: first game 12/30 @ Buffalo Bandits
Denver Outlaws: defending champs, first game 4/22 @ Charlotte Hounds
Colorado State Rams football: 7-5, next game Idaho Bowl 12/22 vs Idaho Vandals
Colorado State Rams basketball: 8-4, next game 12/22 vs Long Beach State 49ers
Winnipeg Blue Bombers: 11-7, lost West Division Semifinal
Denver Pioneers Lacrosse: first game 1/24 vs Johns Hopkins Blue Jays
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pirates get nothing.

the user who purchased it gets infinite reinstalls and never has to worry about losing the key.

the user owns nothing but the disc its self, legally speaking.
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Necrotrophic
Thursday May 26 2011, 05:43 PM
pirates get nothing.

the user who purchased it gets infinite reinstalls and never has to worry about losing the key.

the user owns nothing but the disc its self, legally speaking.
Pirates are going to crack the game and get full functionality within weeks of release. For free. Guaranteed.

Meanwhile, legitimate users who don't have full-time internet access get a crippled version of the game they paid full price for.

Of all the people here, only you wouldn't see a problem with this.
Denver Broncos: defending champs, 8-6, next game 12/25 @ Kansas City Chiefs
Colorado Rockies: 75-87, missed playoffs
Colorado Avalanche: 11-18-1, next game 12/20 @ Minnesota Wild
Denver Nuggets: 12-16, next game 12/20 @ Los Angeles Clippers
Colorado Mammoth: first game 12/30 @ Buffalo Bandits
Denver Outlaws: defending champs, first game 4/22 @ Charlotte Hounds
Colorado State Rams football: 7-5, next game Idaho Bowl 12/22 vs Idaho Vandals
Colorado State Rams basketball: 8-4, next game 12/22 vs Long Beach State 49ers
Winnipeg Blue Bombers: 11-7, lost West Division Semifinal
Denver Pioneers Lacrosse: first game 1/24 vs Johns Hopkins Blue Jays
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you were going to complain about what capcom does no matter what anyway. no matter what capcom does, youll complain, they could pull a total 180 and youll still complain. this is why you resort to the same disproven arguments over and over again (an example being capcom is milking its street fighter fanbase with updates even though ive consistently proven to you that its the fanbase who is demanding updates and remake of 3s)

theres absolutely no gaurauntee it will be cracked, and thats not the point even if it DOES get cracked.

if you think it will get cracked, then pirate it. i dont care

the validation process is perfectly acceptable because anyone can get online at this point. if ones internet connection is down, tether from your phone, steal wireless, use a free 56k service. youre only validating, not sending huge chunks of data.

i have absolutely no issue with online validation because i have absolutely no problem getting online, and i know most people who are into games are in the same boat. Also, this makes it so I only have to pay for the game once, since its linked to the account, I dont have to worry about keeping track of any keys. i wish more games did this, i wish my 360 did this so in case i ever lost the physical copy of the game, i could still play it because they would know i did in fact buy it.

the more things go online, the better.
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They get infinite reinstalls unless the DRM being used limits them. Like BioShock.
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indeed, but AE does get infinite reinstalls iirc.

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There are no installation limits. The game is tied to the user account with the SSA mechanism. You can install it a zillion times and as long as you’re logged in on the associated account, you’re good to go.
http://www.capcom-unity.com/sven/blog/2011/05/25/stuff_you_want_to_know_about_ssfiv:ae_for_pc

also, in response to the criticism for the drm

http://www.capcom-unity.com/ask_capcom/go/thread/view/7371/27677673/SSF4:AE_PC_ONLINE_QUESTION&post_num=99#497069701
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Thursday May 26 2011, 05:56 PM
you were going to complain about what capcom does no matter what anyway. no matter what capcom does, youll complain, they could pull a total 180 and youll still complain
this is why you resort to the same disproven arguments over and over again (an example being capcom is milking its street fighter fanbase with updates even though ive consistently proven to you that its the fanbase who is demanding updates and remake of 3s)

theres absolutely no gaurauntee it will be cracked, and thats not the point even if it DOES get cracked.

if you think it will get cracked, then pirate it. i dont care

the validation process is perfectly acceptable because anyone can get online at this point. if ones internet connection is down, tether from your phone, steal wireless, use a free 56k service. youre only validating, not sending huge chunks of data.

i have absolutely no issue with online validation because i have absolutely no problem getting online, and i know most people who are into games are in the same boat. Also, this makes it so I only have to pay for the game once, since its linked to the account, I dont have to worry about keeping track of any keys. i wish more games did this, i wish my 360 did this so in case i ever lost the physical copy of the game, i could still play it because they would know i did in fact buy it.

the more things go online, the better.
So basically, your argument is as follows:
1. I complain about everything Capcom does anyway, so this is probably okay.
2. You don't have any problems getting online, so this isn't a big deal.
3. The validation process provides a failsafe in case you're retarded enough to lose your physical copy of the game.

Riveting stuff.

Also, I literally laughed out loud when you said this:
" this is why you resort to the same disproven arguments over and over again (an example being capcom is milking its street fighter fanbase with updates even though ive consistently proven to you that its the fanbase who is demanding updates and remake of 3s)"

Have I not demonstrated that Capcom, SNK, and Arc's repeated re-releasing of their games has led to fighting game industry crashes in the past?

You don't think, given Capcom's own history, someone at the company would see an issue with the fact that there have been seven new Street Fighter games since the start of this console generation, with two more in development, plus all the XBLA/Virtual Console releases, plus all the MvC releases?

ITT: Someone actually attempts to defend always on DRM.
Denver Broncos: defending champs, 8-6, next game 12/25 @ Kansas City Chiefs
Colorado Rockies: 75-87, missed playoffs
Colorado Avalanche: 11-18-1, next game 12/20 @ Minnesota Wild
Denver Nuggets: 12-16, next game 12/20 @ Los Angeles Clippers
Colorado Mammoth: first game 12/30 @ Buffalo Bandits
Denver Outlaws: defending champs, first game 4/22 @ Charlotte Hounds
Colorado State Rams football: 7-5, next game Idaho Bowl 12/22 vs Idaho Vandals
Colorado State Rams basketball: 8-4, next game 12/22 vs Long Beach State 49ers
Winnipeg Blue Bombers: 11-7, lost West Division Semifinal
Denver Pioneers Lacrosse: first game 1/24 vs Johns Hopkins Blue Jays
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Thursday May 26 2011, 05:56 PM
you were going to complain about what capcom does no matter what anyway. no matter what capcom does, youll complain, they could pull a total 180 and youll still complain.
Whoa...complaining/disagreeing for the sake of doing so? That is the pot calling the kettle black if I've ever seen it sir.

The DRM thing is pretty assy, I don't like having to have a billion accounts because I own 3 games. But my question is who is really buying Street Fighter on a PC? That seems so silly to me.

And yeah, Capcom does milk the unholy bejesus out of their games, but they've always done that. You just don't buy them all. (Well at least I don't) I bought SSF4, but they actually added a substantial number of characters to that and it was only $40. ($35 after discount) The new one coming doesn't have anything good in it so I'll skip it and the world still turns. I don't know what crashes Jason is referring to, as I've always had fighters to play. But that's just it, you can really only do what you want to do, what everyone else does is irrelevant. Rather then try to change everyone elses mind, (the most futile of things to attempt) I just prefer to play what I like and to hell with the rest.

Though I don't like the idea of things going completely online. And not just because I like having cases and games everywhere. Online anything isn't wholly reliable. Internet cuts out on you, get's hacked (PSN yay!) and that puts the control in the companies hands. Though it is a crazily paranoid scenario to imagine, there is nothing stopping them from revoking whatever downloads I have with them. BUT, they can't come in and take my physical copy.
Edited by SuperDouxSanaCanThree, Thursday May 26 2011, 06:57 PM.
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I'm fucking retarded, and I don't even support always-on DRM.
OH HEY LOOK GUYS I FINALLY GOT MYSELF BANNED
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One thing I meant to mention earlier was that Capcom could've accomplished everything they did with this GFWL bullshit without any of the negatives by going with something like SteamWorks.

You have copy protection and account validation, but none of the always-on nonsense nor the raping of legitimate consumers.

But that probably never occurred to Capcom.
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Colorado Rockies: 75-87, missed playoffs
Colorado Avalanche: 11-18-1, next game 12/20 @ Minnesota Wild
Denver Nuggets: 12-16, next game 12/20 @ Los Angeles Clippers
Colorado Mammoth: first game 12/30 @ Buffalo Bandits
Denver Outlaws: defending champs, first game 4/22 @ Charlotte Hounds
Colorado State Rams football: 7-5, next game Idaho Bowl 12/22 vs Idaho Vandals
Colorado State Rams basketball: 8-4, next game 12/22 vs Long Beach State 49ers
Winnipeg Blue Bombers: 11-7, lost West Division Semifinal
Denver Pioneers Lacrosse: first game 1/24 vs Johns Hopkins Blue Jays
#2 Denver Pioneers Hockey: 12-3-3, next game 12/30 @ Providence College Friars
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Thursday May 26 2011, 06:28 PM
So basically, your argument is as follows:
1. I complain about everything Capcom does anyway, so this is probably okay. No, actually I was responding to something you said about me defending capcom, in any event, this argument is an obvious strawman
2. You don't have any problems getting online, so this isn't a big deal. Actually my argument was centered around the idea that I suspect most gamers have no problem getting online
3. The validation process provides a failsafe in case you're retarded enough to lose your physical copy of the game. Nice appeal to ridicule. Having keys or physical copy requirements are bigger punishments as this drm allows one to have access to the game, even if it managed to get broken or stolen (two things you conveniently didnt feel the need to think of). I suppose anyone who has ever lost anything is retarded, right? Oh please.

Riveting stuff.
The only thing riveting is that you think your constant use of emotional appeals in anyway validates your opinions

Also, I literally laughed out loud(it doesnt matter what you laugh at, bring arguments not emotions) when you said this:
" this is why you resort to the same disproven arguments over and over again (an example being capcom is milking its street fighter fanbase with updates even though ive consistently proven to you that its the fanbase who is demanding updates and remake of 3s)"

Have I not demonstrated that Capcom, SNK, and Arc's repeated re-releasing of their games has led to fighting game industry crashes in the past?

You've said in the past that rereleases are the reason that it crashed, but you've NEVER demonstrated it. There is a very big difference. statements alone do not count as proof. Im also not denying that updates are the reason. Im not saying anything either way, simply pointing out that you have not proven anything. Also, hat I mentioned is about milking fanbases, not crashing industries.

You don't think, given Capcom's own history, someone at the company would see an issue with the fact that there have been seven new Street Fighter games since the start of this console generation, with two more in development, plus all the XBLA/Virtual Console releases, plus all the MvC releases?
this is an extension of what you said prior, you are assuming that your conclusion about fighting games in the past is already valid, when it has no basis (unless you've posted links to some kind of research... which i seriously doubt). It could very well be that people werent into fighters anymore for no other reason than they got boring. Until we have evidence to support a claim about this, everything is speculation

ITT: Someone actually attempts to defend always on DRM.
who needs to have a clear argument, when one can just insult other people?!

emotions != arguments.
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Thursday May 26 2011, 06:54 PM
Whoa...complaining/disagreeing for the sake of doing so? That is the pot calling the kettle black if I've ever seen it sir.
complaining and disagreeing are two different things. One happens when theres an actual attempt to find an element of truth. The other happens when you get pissed off.

Theyre about as similar as math and emo music
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