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TV Guide Magazine Interview with Chris Goutman; Small, teeny weeny, Nuke mention (and other spoilers)
Topic Started: Dec 14 2009, 03:33 PM (639 Views)
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Not much but I thought I'd put this here for ya'lls to see. A TV Guide interview with Chris Goutman about ATWT's cancellation, where Goutman gives some tidbits for what to look forward to (in the last paragraph):

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There’s this lingering perception that P&G soaps are old-fart programming, when in fact they both trailblazed like crazy.

It is weird to me that there is that perception. Sometimes I think we’re the best kept secret. But what can you do? We’re going to continue to stay relevant. We have Liberty [Meredith Hagner] coming down with leukemia and we’re going to get into the whole stem-cell issue with her mom Janet [Julie Pinson], who is Catholic. We’ll be presenting many points of view on that. Meredith is leaving us but the role of Liberty will be recast. We’re also bringing on a new young man for Liberty, and we’ll be aging the character of Faith so that she’ll be a pivotal member of the Snyder household. We have great stuff for Luke [Van Hansis] and Noah [Jake Silbermann]. It is absolutely imperative that we regenerate our young group of characters if ATWT is going to have a life elsewhere. Going back to the days of [creator] Irna Phillips, it has been the signature of ATWT to tell youthful and relevant and timely stories. That’s not going to stop now.


Rest of interview here: TV Guide Magazine


And look! Another Nuke picture used for another article. Whaddaya know? :D

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:rollseyes Hopefully the "great stuff" coming up for Nuke is not that damn third party coming between them I don't want to see Luke and the doctor or whatever get it on I want Nuke!
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Okay, I stay pretty on top of my spoilers, but I didn't know the one about Liberty! That totally took me by surprise! :ohshit

Love how they keep using Nuke pics for all articles. :alrighty
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Dec 14 2009, 09:25 PM
Okay, I stay pretty on top of my spoilers, but I didn't know the one about Liberty! That totally took me by surprise! :ohshit

Love how they keep using Nuke pics for all articles. :alrighty
Ahhh I'm sorry! Did I spoil you? I totally should have mentioned that there were minor spoilers in this article. :headbang

*amends topic title*

Well.......surprise! :D
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Cautiously hopeful, I guess. :)

I do hope eventually he DOES decide to wrap things up. I'd REALLY like to have a happy ending of sorts. LOL. :D
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Dec 14 2009, 10:54 PM
Cautiously hopeful, I guess. :)

I do hope eventually he DOES decide to wrap things up. I'd REALLY like to have a happy ending of sorts. LOL. :D
That's my biggest worry as well. He sounded like they will just be moving along in the storylines as if cancellation isn't ahead. Which doesn't give me much hope for a Nuke wedding anytime soon. :/

IDK. CG has lied before, and let's not forget that this is the guy who says he doesn't care what the fans think/want (idiot. :rollseyes ), so I'm also on the fence with this. I won't believe it till I see it.
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Dec 14 2009, 10:53 PM
Magicman G
Dec 14 2009, 09:25 PM
Okay, I stay pretty on top of my spoilers, but I didn't know the one about Liberty! That totally took me by surprise! :ohshit

Love how they keep using Nuke pics for all articles. :alrighty
Ahhh I'm sorry! Did I spoil you? I totally should have mentioned that there were minor spoilers in this article. :headbang

*amends topic title*

Well.......surprise! :D
Oh, no no, it's okay, Mayah! No worries. :D I don't mind spoilers for the show at all! I just had no idea they were taking Liberty in that direction. It's a pretty far cry from an unwanted pregnancy!
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Dec 14 2009, 03:36 PM
:rollseyes Hopefully the "great stuff" coming up for Nuke is not that damn third party coming between them I don't want to see Luke and the doctor or whatever get it on I want Nuke!
I'd actually started to really believe that I didn't have to worry about a third party anymore, and then I read this interview and that ache in my gut is back. It sounds like it's going to be business as usual and Goutman is carrying on as if nothing has changed, so in these last months ever of the show maybe the pro-triangle folks will finally get their wish after all. And if that happens...bye, Noah. Great. It's clear that Goutman still doesn't get it, and I'm a just little less hopeful that there will be an absolute happy ending for Nuke.

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Maybe I'm in the minority, but I got the feeling that for the next four (filming) months or so, they're going to continue business as usual - stick to their original storyline plans, film those, and put them on air. Then, after that, things will begin their slow wrap up. The writers need to have time come up with ways to wrap these characters, some of whom have been on forever, up. It can't just be done over night. I wouldn't want it to be done over night.

And while I wouldn't necessarily believe CG if he told me it was raining unless we were standing in a torrential downpour, I don't think that a triangle is what he means, nor do I think that if that is what he means, it's the end of the road for Noah/Jake. If they were going to get rid of Noah/Jake, it would have happened long before their final nine months of airtime.
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Oh, I didn't think he was necessarily talking about a triangle either, I just meant that it feels more like it's a possibility again even with the show ending relatively soon. If I had faith that Noah/Jake wouldn't be discarded like an old shoe then I could deal with a third party; I'd hate it, but I could deal with it, but if there's even a hint that Luke develops feelings for another man I worry that's what could happen, because after all this time it still feels like Noah is an expendable character, and it seems like Jake very often isn't given much more consideration from TPTB than a random day player. I just don't want any of the time that's left to be devoted to Luke and someone other than Noah. I want Luke and Noah. Together. It's just hard to be optimistic after being let down so many times, but I'll still keep my fingers crossed for a happy ending.

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I must say that I like it that mr Goutman says they are not ready for nostalgia etc. I'd rather see them continue the storyline that they have now then giving up and rapping up.....but maybe I'm a minority. And it sounds to me that he just doesn't want to give up jet, because they are on are roll. I actually think he sounds very dedicated to ATWT and the storylines that are airing right now.

I know there was very much negative comments on Goutman and his work the last years on ATW. But it's hard for me to give an opppinion about that because we are 1,5 year behind in Holland. What's airing now in holland is not super but it's ok...

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Dec 15 2009, 01:26 AM
Oh, I didn't think he was necessarily talking about a triangle either, I just meant that it feels more like it's a possibility again even with the show ending relatively soon. If I had faith that Noah/Jake wouldn't be discarded like an old shoe then I could deal with a third party; I'd hate it, but I could deal with it, but if there's even a hint that Luke develops feelings for another man I worry that's what could happen, because after all this time it still feels like Noah is an expendable character, and it seems like Jake very often isn't given much more consideration from TPTB than a random day player. I just don't want any of the time that's left to be devoted to Luke and someone other than Noah. I want Luke and Noah. Together. It's just hard to be optimistic after being let down so many times, but I'll still keep my fingers crossed for a happy ending.

I'm not trying to start an argument or drama or anything, but I don't see how you can still think that TPTB think and treat Noah as if he's a glorified day player or expendable; or that he could be discarded like an old shoe (because if that were the actual case, Noah/Jake would have been gone long ago, IMO). Especially with this latest storyline.

Noah, while he's been mistreated and misused in the past by TPTB, I don't think that's the case recently. They've given him more of a backbone, made him fight for both Luke and their relationship, developed his character, and have written more airtime for him. This latest storyline, while it could, as always, turn into a storyline about someone else, has given him a chance to really be front and center - I mean, characters he doesn't ever interact with mentioned him in conversation. Not massively huge, but it's something that hasn't happened before.

And I think that, even for Goutman, Nuke are endgame. Otherwise, instead of a kissing ban and the Ameera storyline and the election/Brian storyline and all of the other crap they've pulled to keep this couple from being intimate and together, they would have just written Noah off. Jake wasn't hired for two plus years of work, he was hired for three months - just long enough for Noah to develop sorta feelings for Luke, kiss him, and leave. But, the fans, writers, producers, etc., fell in love with Noah and Jake and they decided to keep him. TPTB could have very easily written Noah off after the first kiss and created a line of multiple interests for Luke instead of developing the love story that Luke and Noah have.

And because of all that, despite the let downs and shortcomings of the past, I have absolute faith that Luke and Noah will end up together, happy, and one of the few soap couples to actually "make it."
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I believe TPTB do realize that if they were to dump Noah from Nuke, there were be an uproar, and that they would end their show on a very negative PR note -- clearly they are pimping the couple as a couple and will do so to the end. Not that the road won't be bumpy.

I think people still feel like Jake is being treated like a dayplayer because his character has never been allowed to be fully developed. Had he been on contract, we might have seen more scenes where he interacted with other characters -- like Lily for example, or Holden, or even Emma. And the Nuke storylines that focused on him, would have actually focused on him, and not solely on how Luke reacts to Noah's actions.

For example: The "enlisted" storyline. Had they treated Noah as more, we would have seen him talking with others about his father's expectations or shown his guilt over letting his father down. Instead, we got Luke and Holden talking about Noah's guilt at the farm.

Plus there's the fact that, despite the actors' popularity, the show refuses to flesh him out. Makes people think that TPTB aren't all that invested in him as a character as much as they are a way to keep a storyline for Van.

The problem is and always will be budget - Jake isn't on contract, and so they must pay him every time they use him. If they are trying to keep costs down, it makes sense not to use him more than necessary. Especially since he is on all year. The reoccuring characters that do eat up airtime - like Audrey -- would be categorized more as "guest stars." They play heavy but for short periods of time. Someone like Noah, who is on year round, if he were to be used heavily, would become more of a contract character or would become very expensive.

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I'm not trying to start an argument or drama or anything, but I don't see how you can still think that TPTB think and treat Noah as if he's a glorified day player or expendable; or that he could be discarded like an old shoe (because if that were the actual case, Noah/Jake would have been gone long ago, IMO). Especially with this latest storyline.

Noah, while he's been mistreated and misused in the past by TPTB, I don't think that's the case recently. They've given him more of a backbone, made him fight for both Luke and their relationship, developed his character, and have written more airtime for him. This latest storyline, while it could, as always, turn into a storyline about someone else, has given him a chance to really be front and center - I mean, characters he doesn't ever interact with mentioned him in conversation. Not massively huge, but it's something that hasn't happened before.

Why do I feel like he's expendable? Because he's shipped away every few months or so; because even after all this time the writers still haven't shown much interest in Noah or developing him as a character, even with his intriguing back story they've chosen not to use; because dead characters and the revolving door of newbies have been given more screen time than Noah. Of course I agree that this latest story has been a better showcase for Jake; it's what I've been waiting for over 2 years and he didn't disappoint. He's had some powerful scenes, but I don't agree that Noah has really been front and center. Meg, Damian and Lily sure have been, though.

Noah's blindness was the perfect opportunity for the writers to come up with a story that was just about Luke and Noah, and how as two young people in love they would deal with such a significant event in their lives. Together. But as usual, Noah has been sent packing -gone for three weeks, pretty much killing the emotional impact and momentum that had been building. Instead we quite possibly have the looming specter of a third party. Again.

I'd kill for Nuke to have the kind of scenes the writers gave Luke and B***n, but apart from that last brief moment they had together before Noah left for rehab, we still didn't really get to hear much about how Noah is feeling, or why he's feeling that way. We're very rarely shown Noah's perspective on things, which is why I think so many people who aren't Nuke fans don't like him and why he's so harshly judged even by people who are. I can't count how many times I've seen people call Noah a jerk since his accident. A jerk? The guy is blind and it's still hard for some people to sympathize with him.

I'll admit that when I first heard about the cancellation a part of me was actually a little relieved. Of course, I don't really want the show to end, but for a moment I felt like it gave me some assurance that I didn't have to worry anymore about a third party, that the boys will have an unequivocal happy ending, and maybe I'd even get the Nuke wedding I've wanted so badly. Or at the very least a proposal and a chance to see them living together in their apartment, but I read that interview and the ache in my gut returned. Even so, I'm still hoping...

And I wasn't trying to start anything either. I know people are discouraged enough already, so I won't say anything more.
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I'm not trying to start an argument or drama or anything, but I don't see how you can still think that TPTB think and treat Noah as if he's a glorified day player or expendable; or that he could be discarded like an old shoe (because if that were the actual case, Noah/Jake would have been gone long ago, IMO). Especially with this latest storyline.

Noah, while he's been mistreated and misused in the past by TPTB, I don't think that's the case recently. They've given him more of a backbone, made him fight for both Luke and their relationship, developed his character, and have written more airtime for him. This latest storyline, while it could, as always, turn into a storyline about someone else, has given him a chance to really be front and center - I mean, characters he doesn't ever interact with mentioned him in conversation. Not massively huge, but it's something that hasn't happened before.

Why do I feel like he's expendable? Because he's shipped away every few months or so; because even after all this time the writers still haven't shown much interest in Noah or developing him as a character, even with his intriguing back story they've chosen not to use; because dead characters and the revolving door of newbies have been given more screen time than Noah. Of course I agree that this latest story has been a better showcase for Jake; it's what I've been waiting for over 2 years and he didn't disappoint. He's had some powerful scenes, but I don't agree that Noah has really been front and center. Meg, Damian and Lily sure have been, though.

Noah's blindness was the perfect opportunity for the writers to come up with a story that was just about Luke and Noah, and how as two young people in love they would deal with such a significant event in their lives. Together. But as usual, Noah has been sent packing -gone for three weeks, pretty much killing the emotional impact and momentum that had been building. Instead we quite possibly have the looming specter of a third party. Again.

I'd kill for Nuke to have the kind of scenes the writers gave Luke and B***n, but apart from that last brief moment they had together before Noah left for rehab, we still didn't really get to hear much about how Noah is feeling, or why he's feeling that way. We're very rarely shown Noah's perspective on things, which is why I think so many people who aren't Nuke fans don't like him and why he's so harshly judged even by people who are. I can't count how many times I've seen people call Noah a jerk since his accident. A jerk? The guy is blind and it's still hard for some people to sympathize with him.

I'll admit that when I first heard about the cancellation a part of me was actually a little relieved. Of course, I don't really want the show to end, but for a moment I felt like it gave me some assurance that I didn't have to worry anymore about a third party, that the boys will have an unequivocal happy ending, and maybe I'd even get the Nuke wedding I've wanted so badly. Or at the very least a proposal and a chance to see them living together in their apartment, but I read that interview and the ache in my gut returned. Even so, I'm still hoping...

And I wasn't trying to start anything either. I know people are discouraged enough already, so I won't say anything more.
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