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Na Na Na Na. Hey Hey Hey. Goodbye; Interview-Spoilerish
Topic Started: Oct 28 2009, 03:08 PM (1,601 Views)
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Oct 28 2009, 08:25 PM
I think part of the reason the interview bothered me so much was knowing that Forbes and Branco really are friends, and there was possibly a comfort level there he might not necessarily feel with other journalists, and I know it's completely irrational, but I just keep imagining the nasty things Nelson has said about Nuke (and Jake) to Forbes off the record.

And the not gay enough stuff. Ugh. Not only was it just plain stupid, but it completely feeds into the criticism that Jake especially doesn't play his character gay enough, and therefore he's the reason Nuke are such Big Fat Fail in some people's opinion.

Oh. They really are friends? I had no idea.

But Forbes was sort of like this in his After Elton interview as well.

After Mason leaves the show, I doubt I'll ever give thought to Forbes anymore. But I did like Mason and I liked Forbes' portrayal of him, the little that he was given.

I hate that Branco spreads the Jake hate. :( Like Jake is an actor playing a gay role. A gay role that has caused a lot of change in soaps. He's playing a character that have touched a lot of people personally.

I will never get Branco's treatment of him. Aren't we all fighting for the same thing? I personally don't just watch Nuke just cause they're gay, I watch because Van and Jake make them completely and utterly believable to me. And that's why I will always root for them. But Branco, it seems like that's all that matters to him. And if that's all that matters, why beat down an actor who's helping gay people more visible in the media then?

And not just Branco, everyone else who does the same thing. :(





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Branco sucks,there is no other word for it,he as disgrace to journalisim

No wait,that's Perez
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Oct 28 2009, 08:25 PM
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Oct 28 2009, 08:17 PM
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Oct 28 2009, 07:59 PM
andyfeltrad
Oct 28 2009, 05:26 PM
It also seems like their have been some edits in the interview. Branco's fault? IDK.
Apparently, all the edits have removed specific references to Proctor & Gamble boycotts. Richard on vanandjake.com posted the original article before it was edited, which is handy, because it makes a side-by-side comparison possible. Here are some of the changes:

Original: "Nothing kills a show faster than a boycott! If you want a show to be taken off the air, boycott the product, which in this case, are P&G products."

Edited: "Nothing kills a show faster than a boycott!"

Original: "Luckily, ABC owns their own soaps. I guarantee you that World Turns will be off the air in a year — if the Procter & Gamble product boycott continues. Chris is trying to desperately figure out how to tell this story because he is personally invested in it, but P&G isn’t."

Edited: "Luckily, ABC owns their own soaps. Chris is trying to desperately figure out how to tell this story because he is personally invested in it, but P&G isn’t."

Hmm.
We all knew P&G was always the problem. This is just proof.

I have no idea why Branco edited AFTER it was published.

But I'm still so confused about the boycott. Is P&G losing business because of people boycotting their products cause they don't want gay people on their soaps? And it's making such a huge impact that that's really the sole reason they're going to cancel ATWT?

Really? Please someone explain this to me.
I don't get it either.

If P&G were really losing THAT much business because of one gay couple on the show then Nuke would have been axed a long time ago. For this I'm certain.

I definitely think P&G are still getting beef about having the gays on the show, but I don't think it's enough to drive ATWT to cancellation. ATWT will get cancelled because P&G doesn't want a soap under their name anymore, not because of Nuke.
It really makes no sense. I think because we are all so involved in this soap, we often forget how small a snippet of P&G this soap really is. P&G is a freaking ENORMOUS company. It is ranked very high in both size and revenue compared to not only other US companies, but to companies around the WORLD.

The AFA cannot be making a dent. Unless someone shows me numbers, I don't buy it. Not at all.
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I didn't like the "not gay enough" comment either. What show is he involved with? Luke and Noah show quite a bit of affection toward each other. And also I was a bit confused about having to get permission to put his hand on Jake because again...Luke and Noah are constantly touching each other and kiss quite a bit now so I just don't get this.

One interesting thing I noticed in the article was the mention that they were transitioning writers (or something along those lines). So does this mean the JP is officially out? I know her name is still on the credits but I noticed that the new guy (his name escapes me at the moment) did the press for the November sweeps.
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Oct 28 2009, 06:37 PM
Okay. I have never disliked Forbes as much as some folks do. But with this interview, I'm starting to get it.

"I honestly don’t think America is ready for a gay storyline on a soap." Excuse me? And Luke and Noah aren't gay enough? Okay.

Also. Slightly off-topic and possibly ridiculously nerdy of me. But was anyone else distracted by this?

"Any time I wanted to put my hand on Noah’s shoulder, several serious discussions ensued whether or not it would pass the mustard."

Pass the mustard?
Pardon me, would you have any Grey Poupon? :D

YES, I'm glad it wasn't just me cringing! It's MUSTER, people, pass MUSTER.

And yeah, like everyone else, I was so completely annoyed by the "not gay enough" crap. So apparently the choices are Adam Lambert or straight, nothing in between? Sheesh.

I take pretty much every show-exit interview with a large grain of salt, though. After all, if everything was all sunshine and roses, there probably wouldn't have been an exit, right? ;)
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Oct 28 2009, 09:02 PM

And yeah, like everyone else, I was so completely annoyed by the "not gay enough" crap. So apparently the choices are Adam Lambert or straight, nothing in between? Sheesh.

Good Lord I hope not. Picturing my 75-year-old uncle in leather and eye liner.....not pretty. Definitely not pretty.
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So...just read the interview. FM...kind of a tool I must say. That whole gay enough thing so uncool. I happen to watch and love Kish (well actually Kyle and Nick...Fish is kind of meh for me but I digress) and those two are no Adam Lambert inspired flamboyant gays so thumbs down for that. I mean I like(d) Mason and FM's portrayal but whatevs. I don't need him to be all effiminate and all that. I like that Noah and Luke aren't sterotypical. Oh whatever if I keep dwelling on this then I'm going to give myself high blood pressure. I'm so over Nelson Branco and Forbes isn't far behind. Hope the Degrassi thing works out for him. Deuces to you!
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Oct 28 2009, 08:55 PM
It really makes no sense. I think because we are all so involved in this soap, we often forget how small a snippet of P&G this soap really is. P&G is a freaking ENORMOUS company. It is ranked very high in both size and revenue compared to not only other US companies, but to companies around the WORLD.

The AFA cannot be making a dent. Unless someone shows me numbers, I don't buy it. Not at all.
I'm completely confused regarding the boycott too. And I agree, I need to see some numbers. Because honestly, how many people go shopping and knowingly boycott a product or a company because of what they choose to write as far as their soap operas go?

As far as boycotting go, is it really that effective to boycott a program that features it's gay storyline maybe once a week? Especially when there is teen pregnancy, substance abuse, adultery, murder? I mean, aren't there bigger fish to fry?

I could see P&G still getting flack for the whole gay storyline thing, but just how influential are they, really?

But then again, I realize that because of the time block that P&G and CBS have to be careful of what they show, content-wise that is. As for the show not being gay enough, people have to remember that this is daytime not Showtime. Romping around in bed, while we would kill to see it, isn't going to happen along the same lines as it did in Queer as Folk, for example. And as for me, the hinting, and the subtly of what occurs intimately between the boys is enough for me. That's why I have an imagination.

While I understand that Luke and Noah as a couple suffer unfair treatment than the heterosexual couples on the show I applaud CBS for taking the step and making the storyline available when so few other networks would even tackle the issue. So, having the first gay male kiss during daytime wasn't gay enough? I mean, if soap that would qualify as being a breeding ground for gay enough soap characters it should be B&B? Am I right? I don't need my gay characters to be checklist of every stereotype out there. And once again we should be thankful of that not berating the fact that the boys don't wear matching pink tiaras. Uh... just so much article wank.

Okay, I'm rambling now. That tends to happen... sorry. I'll shut up now. Oh, and can I say we're awesome for handling everything so maturely here. I'm glad that we can express opinions and talk rationally about something as completely irrational as soaps. Yay us.
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I, too, dislike the whole "gay enough" remark. I have yet to figure out how someone can or cannot be "gay enough". No idea what that even means. And the fact that this was brought up to Jake? *facepalm* I mean, really, how was he supposed to respond to that? "Oh, I'm sorry, I'll try to be more gay." Wut?! How would he even approach that? Of course, he was his usual incredibly gracious self about the subject, but really. Makes no sense, and I'm sure it didn't make Jake feel too good, either. :( Also, wouldn't the simple fact of Luke and Noah wanting to be with each other mean that they're gay enough? How much more gay do you need to be to want to be with someone of the same sex? :huh

I also wonder why Forbes or whoever would want the characters to be based on effeminate boys in tiaras. I've known more gay people who resemble Luke and Noah in their every day lives than gay people who sashay around in heavy makeup and the like. Why shouldn't the characters be modeled after the "normal" gays in real life? I don't understand why anyone would have a problem with the boys being how they are on the show.

Argh. I'm not bitter, I swear. :) I love Nuke, because (I think Moey mentioned this earlier) they are so BELIEVABLE. Their relationship is not based on how gay they are, it's based on how they feel towards each other, which is all that matters. And both Van AND Jake do a wonderful job, otherwise Nuke wouldn't have worked.

Anyway. Preaching to the choir. :D Sorry for the rambling!
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Okay, cutting and pasting from vanandjake.com again. Apparently, Nelson has posted something to Daytime Confidential explaining the cutting of the lines about the P&G boycott:

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Forbes called me and wanted the P&G boycott stuff out because he was speaking generally about TV despite the fact that we were speaking in context about World Turns. He was walking a fine line. Anyway, the interview still stands and he was very candid which proves his honesty, candor and intent. However, I don't want to jeopardize an actor's future employment simply because of miscommunication. It happens. There's a reason A-list talent always come to me, but sometimes signals are crossed. It happens even to the NY Times.


So it seems Forbes March is A-list talent now. Also, Nelson is a schmuck. But it's okay, because this even happens to the NY Times. :rollseyes
Edited by indigo_5, Oct 29 2009, 07:01 AM.
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Oct 29 2009, 06:40 AM
There's a reason A-list talent always come to me,
Yes, I'm sure of it. That's why we see Angelina and Brad and Nelson's names together all the time.

Thanks for clearing that up for me, NB. I just couldn't figure out why Barbara Walters was all of a sudden standing on the street corner with a tin cup begging for change. All of her interviews went to you. Gotcha.

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I'll join...but I think we should name it Nelsonisatool.com
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We all know that NB is basically the most unprofessional journalist ever, but let's not give him the satisfaction by getting riled up and talking about him anymore.

The man is probably having near orgasms with all the talk. After all, any publicity is good publicity in his eyes. :)
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Oct 29 2009, 01:00 PM
We all know that NB is basically the most unprofessional journalist ever, but let's not give him the satisfaction by getting riled up and talking about him anymore.

The man is probably having near orgasms with all the talk. After all, any publicity is good publicity in his eyes. :)
For me he's not a journalist, he's just a Perez Hilton wannabe, doing gossip and all
he's not all objective .
I don't take him too seriously.(well i try :P )
and i'm sure that the guy know that a lot of people don't like him and I'm sure that it's not only the case of nuke fans.
And I don't know why but i have the feeling that he loves when we talk about him ( bad or not :wacko )and that he is in a lot of soap board :zombie
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I, for one, have never clicked on the link to his interview! :D
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Oct 29 2009, 06:40 AM
Okay, cutting and pasting from vanandjake.com again. Apparently, Nelson has posted something to Daytime Confidential explaining the cutting of the lines about the P&G boycott:

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Forbes called me and wanted the P&G boycott stuff out because he was speaking generally about TV despite the fact that we were speaking in context about World Turns. He was walking a fine line. Anyway, the interview still stands and he was very candid which proves his honesty, candor and intent. However, I don't want to jeopardize an actor's future employment simply because of miscommunication. It happens. There's a reason A-list talent always come to me, but sometimes signals are crossed. It happens even to the NY Times.


So it seems Forbes March is A-list talent now. Also, Nelson is a schmuck. But it's okay, because this even happens to the NY Times. :rollseyes
:rotfl :rotfl :rotfl :rotfl :rotfl :rotfl

Holy crap! I needed a good laugh. So many things wrong with that statement I'm not even gonna try. Forbes and Branco are suppose to be friends and their signals got crossed that much?

Also, it's sort of just common sense if you're a "journalist" to really look at stuff as candid as Forbes's interview to know that FM was "walking a fine line" with those statements in order to edit them before publishing.

aaaaaaaaahehehehehehehhehhehehhe.

Oh, Branco. You're on your way to the top you are!

P.S. I especially love the A-list comment! Ahahhahahahaha. I never even heard of FM until he did ATWT. Aaaaaaaahahahahahahha!

Okay, I need to breathe.
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