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In Which I Am Confuzzled
Topic Started: Oct 23 2009, 09:47 PM (891 Views)
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:huh Help me out...what up with the Mason animosity?

Is it his love of scarves regardless of weather conditions?

Is it his awkwardness in social situations?

Is it the fact that he has other students but who cars about them because Noah is smoking hot?

Because honestly all those things make me like him more. I like Mason...he makes me laugh. He's hot. He has good taste in guys (except that George...). And Yes...I like his scarf...it's purty. Is it just me?





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I'm actually more confuzzled over why people are confuzzled, to be honest.

I know that those loud "I hate Mason" voices are annoying, but to answer your question directly: it's because he's a threat to Luke and Noah. And that's pretty much all there is to it. People in this fandom are fiercely loyal to Nuke. I mean, if we knew right from the beginning, that Mason wasn't gay, or was surely not a contender for one or both of the boys, I guarantee you that people wouldn't be finding nearly as many things wrong with him.

So, I dunno. I think it's pretty simple. Not saying it's fair necessarily, but I don't think it's hard to see why it happened. I think that's also why it doesn't really upset me, either. I mean, I'm not in love with the character or anything, but I'm ready to let him do whatever it is he's gonna do. Also, I think since the spoilers are beginning to point to a certain way Mason is going to deal with his feelings for Noah, any continuing hate for the character is probably stemming from that, at this point.

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Yeah what Sara said. In the most general of reasons, it's cause he's a threat to Nuke.

But I can understand why you're frustrated. People hated Mason before he even aired, and from then on it just spiraled out of control. And some of the hate is also on Forbes. :/

I'm frustrated because people want him gone, when he's the catalyst to giving Nuke the storyline they're gonna have in November. I don't understand why people want that. Plus, Mason has barely been on. So much hate for a character that's never on doesn't make any sense to me. In any show. Not just ATWT. *shrugs*

And there are some people who would rather have a Nuke drought than have this storyline. Cause again, Mason is a threat to Nuke. I don't understand the logic in that at all.

Bottom line is, it's a freaking soap. If people didn't want the drama and wanted Nuke to be in a bubble forever, then they should be watching like High School Musical (love love looooooooooooove those movies by the way :D ) Or watching Disney shows. It just makes me think, if like a piece of paper came in between Luke and Noah, they'd hate on that too. :rollseyes

I like Mason for now. And I will hate on him when he deserves it, which will probably be in November. All the wasted energy hating on him these past 3 months....tsk tsk tsk. But hey, if you want to hate on a character that's been on a total of 20 minutes on the show, then go for it. Whatever floats your boat. :)
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I guess I understand people not wanting their OTP messed up. A triangle could end up aking them stronger in the end. Oh well. November needs to hurry up and get here. Now I'll go to bed and put my confuzzled mind at rest.
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Yeah what Sara said. In the most general of reasons, it's cause he's a threat to Nuke.

But I can understand why you're frustrated. People hated Mason before he even aired, and from then on it just spiraled out of control. And some of the hate is also on Forbes. :/

I'm frustrated because people want him gone, when he's the catalyst to giving Nuke the storyline they're gonna have in November. I don't understand why people want that. Plus, Mason has barely been on. So much hate for a character that's never on doesn't make any sense to me. In any show. Not just ATWT. *shrugs*

And there are some people who would rather have a Nuke drought than have this storyline. Cause again, Mason is a threat to Nuke. I don't understand the logic in that at all.

Bottom line is, it's a freaking soap. If people didn't want the drama and wanted Nuke to be in a bubble forever, then they should be watching like High School Musical (love love looooooooooooove those movies by the way :D ) Or watching Disney shows. It just makes me think, if like a piece of paper came in between Luke and Noah, they'd hate on that too. :rollseyes

I like Mason for now. And I will hate on him when he deserves it, which will probably be in November. All the wasted energy hating on him these past 3 months....tsk tsk tsk. But hey, if you want to hate on a character that's been on a total of 20 minutes on the show, then go for it. Whatever floats your boat. :)
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To me, I never LOVED Mason, nor hated him. He was just Meh. But whatever, I feel that way about 75% of the characters on the show.

I don't mind he's probably going to turn psycho and make me hate him. (Though it IS overplayed...) But the only thing I don't like is that people will be like, "See, SEE! There IS a reason to hate him!!" And I'll be like, "You didn't hate him because you thought he was mental, you just hated him because he was there."

Also, I have a feeling that if it was Luke he was into, those Lion lovers would come back and claim superiority. :rollseyes
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I don't hate Mason. I sorta like him. His only purpose is to entertain me and that's what he does. :)
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To me, I never LOVED Mason, nor hated him. He was just Meh. But whatever, I feel that way about 75% of the characters on the show.

I don't mind he's probably going to turn psycho and make me hate him. (Though it IS overplayed...) But the only thing I don't like is that people will be like, "See, SEE! There IS a reason to hate him!!" And I'll be like, "You didn't hate him because you thought he was mental, you just hated him because he was there."

Also, I have a feeling that if it was Luke he was into, those Lion lovers would come back and claim superiority. :rollseyes
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If some people hate him well why not, i don't care because I don't feel attached to the character(I mean I didn't like Brian since day one so I have nothing to say :P ).
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I don't hate Mason, either...I rather like him. So far, he hasn't done anything that's so unforgivable in my eyes. I'm super excited for this upcoming storyline for Nuke, and honestly, I have to say that I'm kind of wishing and hoping that they don't make Mason out to be a true "bad guy". I've liked him from the start, and I like the conflict he's brought so far.

I also really like Forbes. He's a great actor and...did you see that bod of his when he and Jake had the Shirt Removal scene in the hospital? Hello! :D

I'll have to wait and see how I feel more about Mason with this upcoming storyline. Most likely I won't end up hating him forever and ever, as long as Nuke doesn't break up permanently because of him. Then it might be another story. ;)

I'm all for the Nuke drama, though! Bring it! 'Cause they always have the best reunions after. :wub
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I don't hate Mason, either...I rather like him. So far, he hasn't done anything that's so unforgivable in my eyes. I'm super excited for this upcoming storyline for Nuke, and honestly, I have to say that I'm kind of wishing and hoping that they don't make Mason out to be a true "bad guy". I've liked him from the start, and I like the conflict he's brought so far.

I also really like Forbes. He's a great actor and...did you see that bod of his when he and Jake had the Shirt Removal scene in the hospital? Hello! :D

I'll have to wait and see how I feel more about Mason with this upcoming storyline. Most likely I won't end up hating him forever and ever, as long as Nuke doesn't break up permanently because of him. Then it might be another story. ;)

I'm all for the Nuke drama, though! Bring it! 'Cause they always have the best reunions after. :wub
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i haven't read all the comments but this is my thoughts on mason:
#1 - to quote erasure: i love to hate you. i love to be angry about the idea of him stepping in between noah/luke. i like concrete villains. and there he is. but sometimes people yelling and throwing things does not mean they hate him, they hate what mason represents. and, unless mason is going to stay around, we're kinda supposed to hate him. he's a bad guy. he's coming between a couple that we love.

#2 - i don't think he's been played very well. and i don't mean that the actor hasn't done what he can do with what he's been given, i think a lot of it hasn't been done well. the whole calling noah cute bit? the whole telling noah that noah can't trust luke? dude, you two aren't friends. mason is a professor. noah is his student. so they have to be over the top with mason's skeeviness and noah's reaction to said skeeviness or cut it out. it doesn't work for me otherwise.

#3. i had a number three, but i forget it. sorry.
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i haven't read all the comments but this is my thoughts on mason:
#1 - to quote erasure: i love to hate you. i love to be angry about the idea of him stepping in between noah/luke. i like concrete villains. and there he is. but sometimes people yelling and throwing things does not mean they hate him, they hate what mason represents. and, unless mason is going to stay around, we're kinda supposed to hate him. he's a bad guy. he's coming between a couple that we love.

#2 - i don't think he's been played very well. and i don't mean that the actor hasn't done what he can do with what he's been given, i think a lot of it hasn't been done well. the whole calling noah cute bit? the whole telling noah that noah can't trust luke? dude, you two aren't friends. mason is a professor. noah is his student. so they have to be over the top with mason's skeeviness and noah's reaction to said skeeviness or cut it out. it doesn't work for me otherwise.

#3. i had a number three, but i forget it. sorry.
I agree. This is all very true.

But mostly what we're all confuzzled about, at least what I'm confuzzled about, is the hatred for Mason before he even aired. And before we even knew what his intentions were. Like technically, if no one in this fandom read spoilers, you still have no idea that Mason is going darkside. And in my opinion, the out right hatred for the character to the point that it causes this much wank, a character who hasn't done anything yet? Is just strange to me.

Like half of the people who hate Mason would rather have Nuke have no storyline at all, than have Mason do whatever he's gonna do. If you're gonna hate the bad cause he's the bad guy, go for it. But to want him irrationally gone, so Nuke goes with him? Not so much.

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i haven't read all the comments but this is my thoughts on mason:
#1 - to quote erasure: i love to hate you. i love to be angry about the idea of him stepping in between noah/luke. i like concrete villains. and there he is. but sometimes people yelling and throwing things does not mean they hate him, they hate what mason represents. and, unless mason is going to stay around, we're kinda supposed to hate him. he's a bad guy. he's coming between a couple that we love.

#2 - i don't think he's been played very well. and i don't mean that the actor hasn't done what he can do with what he's been given, i think a lot of it hasn't been done well. the whole calling noah cute bit? the whole telling noah that noah can't trust luke? dude, you two aren't friends. mason is a professor. noah is his student. so they have to be over the top with mason's skeeviness and noah's reaction to said skeeviness or cut it out. it doesn't work for me otherwise.

#3. i had a number three, but i forget it. sorry.
I agree. This is all very true.

But mostly what we're all confuzzled about, at least what I'm confuzzled about, is the hatred for Mason before he even aired. And before we even knew what his intentions were. Like technically, if no one in this fandom read spoilers, you still have no idea that Mason is going darkside. And in my opinion, the out right hatred for the character to the point that it causes this much wank, a character who hasn't done anything yet? Is just strange to me.

Like half of the people who hate Mason would rather have Nuke have no storyline at all, than have Mason do whatever he's gonna do. If you're gonna hate the bad cause he's the bad guy, go for it. But to want him irrationally gone, so Nuke goes with him? Not so much.

That's where my confuzzlement came from...the irrational hatred of him. I like Mason, if he does something hate worthy later I'm going to love to hate him but he hasn't done anything yet. Maybe I just need to let it go...
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i haven't read all the comments but this is my thoughts on mason:
#1 - to quote erasure: i love to hate you. i love to be angry about the idea of him stepping in between noah/luke. i like concrete villains. and there he is. but sometimes people yelling and throwing things does not mean they hate him, they hate what mason represents. and, unless mason is going to stay around, we're kinda supposed to hate him. he's a bad guy. he's coming between a couple that we love.

#2 - i don't think he's been played very well. and i don't mean that the actor hasn't done what he can do with what he's been given, i think a lot of it hasn't been done well. the whole calling noah cute bit? the whole telling noah that noah can't trust luke? dude, you two aren't friends. mason is a professor. noah is his student. so they have to be over the top with mason's skeeviness and noah's reaction to said skeeviness or cut it out. it doesn't work for me otherwise.

#3. i had a number three, but i forget it. sorry.
I agree. This is all very true.

But mostly what we're all confuzzled about, at least what I'm confuzzled about, is the hatred for Mason before he even aired. And before we even knew what his intentions were. Like technically, if no one in this fandom read spoilers, you still have no idea that Mason is going darkside. And in my opinion, the out right hatred for the character to the point that it causes this much wank, a character who hasn't done anything yet? Is just strange to me.

Like half of the people who hate Mason would rather have Nuke have no storyline at all, than have Mason do whatever he's gonna do. If you're gonna hate the bad cause he's the bad guy, go for it. But to want him irrationally gone, so Nuke goes with him? Not so much.

That's where my confuzzlement came from...the irrational hatred of him. I like Mason, if he does something hate worthy later I'm going to love to hate him but he hasn't done anything yet. Maybe I just need to let it go...
Fair enough, but wasn't he brought on to be hated? i mean, from the beginning, i thought it was apparent that he was being brought on to add to the luke/noah storyline as a trouble-in-paradise kinda person?
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Speaking for myself only...I just speculated as to his involvement with luke and noah. The way it was presented he wasn't really a threatening factor in their relationship. I just assumed that a triangle-like situation was going to happen which honestly I wouldn't have minded at all. Eh...I'm looking forward to what's going to happen.
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Seriously....is it November yet??? :bored
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Oct 26 2009, 08:49 PM
i haven't read all the comments but this is my thoughts on mason:
#1 - to quote erasure: i love to hate you. i love to be angry about the idea of him stepping in between noah/luke. i like concrete villains. and there he is. but sometimes people yelling and throwing things does not mean they hate him, they hate what mason represents. and, unless mason is going to stay around, we're kinda supposed to hate him. he's a bad guy. he's coming between a couple that we love.

#2 - i don't think he's been played very well. and i don't mean that the actor hasn't done what he can do with what he's been given, i think a lot of it hasn't been done well. the whole calling noah cute bit? the whole telling noah that noah can't trust luke? dude, you two aren't friends. mason is a professor. noah is his student. so they have to be over the top with mason's skeeviness and noah's reaction to said skeeviness or cut it out. it doesn't work for me otherwise.

#3. i had a number three, but i forget it. sorry.
I agree. This is all very true.

But mostly what we're all confuzzled about, at least what I'm confuzzled about, is the hatred for Mason before he even aired. And before we even knew what his intentions were. Like technically, if no one in this fandom read spoilers, you still have no idea that Mason is going darkside. And in my opinion, the out right hatred for the character to the point that it causes this much wank, a character who hasn't done anything yet? Is just strange to me.

Like half of the people who hate Mason would rather have Nuke have no storyline at all, than have Mason do whatever he's gonna do. If you're gonna hate the bad cause he's the bad guy, go for it. But to want him irrationally gone, so Nuke goes with him? Not so much.

That's where my confuzzlement came from...the irrational hatred of him. I like Mason, if he does something hate worthy later I'm going to love to hate him but he hasn't done anything yet. Maybe I just need to let it go...
Fair enough, but wasn't he brought on to be hated? i mean, from the beginning, i thought it was apparent that he was being brought on to add to the luke/noah storyline as a trouble-in-paradise kinda person?
Yeah. But thing is? It's been 3 months, and Mason has barely put a dent in Nuke's relationship. And I wasn't exaggerating when I said he's been on for 20 minutes. So why so. much. hate? Like so much hate to the point that people have left certain boards cause they couldn't take it anymore. Or people migrated towards this board (yay!). Or people have PM'd me on LJ about it. You know?

That much hate before Mason has even done anything. Before we knew this wasn't going to be a triangle but something much darker. Forbes hasn't been given the material he deserves. Yet he's getting so much bad flack from fans.

I admit I hated Brian like a hating thing. But I didn't start hating on him until he kissed Luke and then it just grew from there. Before, I just disliked him cause I thought he was all homophobic. Heck. I actually remember saying that I was excited for the Brian storyline when we first heard about it. And, yeah, I don't think Larry Lau did a very good job either. But that's my opinion. He was given so much material. They gave Luke and Brian an entire episode where they just talked about Brian's feelings, and I still hated him.

Forbes has been short-changed. So has Mason. And I understand that this fandom has been burned so bad in the past with storylines, but it's a soap. And Luke and Noah are suppose to have people come in between them. And I can even understand the loathing for the third party that does come in between them. But with Mason, it's totally different. It feels different. The hatred for Mason, a character that's basically been a non-character this past three months has driven so many people away from the boards. I don't know if it's cause the show is gonna get canceled and Nuke is gonna be gone soon, or a combination of a lot of things. But that's why I like this storyline so much, and giving it a chance. Cause a) it's the storyline that makes the most sense to me and b) it's putting Nuke in a place they've never been before, has the potential to be a first in a soap, is giving Jake the material he deserves, and giving Nuke layers.

I really do not see anything wrong with that.

So, seriously. Is it November yet? :)

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I admit to hating Mason from the start. Rational? No. Not one bit. My dislike for the character was totally rooted in fear that the show would do a triangle and that my favorite character (Noah) would get raked over the coals for cheating on Luke. Or that Luke would cheat and the boards would be filled with how great Mason is and how he should dump Noah. And then fearing TPTB would listen and we'd get a new couple and poor Noah would be out in the dust. It was a total knee-jerk reaction.

That said, I have no problem with the story playing out. And had Noah cheated, had it been done realistically, I could have stomached it. It was really the fear of all the bashing that had me not liking the story. (Plus, I can get sucked into group think - I admit it.)

PS: I should also add that I'm not a FM fan so that might have colored my opinions as well. I heard a rumor that Sean Kanaan auditioned for the role as well. A different actor might have changed my views.
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I admit to hating Mason from the start. Rational? No. Not one bit. My dislike for the character was totally rooted in fear that the show would do a triangle and that my favorite character (Noah) would get raked over the coals for cheating on Luke. Or that Luke would cheat and the boards would be filled with how great Mason is and how he should dump Noah. And then fearing TPTB would listen and we'd get a new couple and poor Noah would be out in the dust. It was a total knee-jerk reaction.

That said, I have no problem with the story playing out. And had Noah cheated, had it been done realistically, I could have stomached it. It was really the fear of all the bashing that had me not liking the story. (Plus, I can get sucked into group think - I admit it.)

PS: I should also add that I'm not a FM fan so that might have colored my opinions as well. I heard a rumor that Sean Kanaan auditioned for the role as well. A different actor might have changed my views.
Oh that's the thing. I totally would hate Mason too if he really and truly came in between the boys. Like I sort of wanted a triangle just so I can see the drama and see the boys stronger for it at the end, but I still would probably hate Mason during the entire thing. Actually, I probably will hate Mason come November.

It's just the whole hating him now thing that's confuzzling. I mean, dislike him sure. Or be indifferent since nothing has happened. But what makes me sad is when people say that they want this storyline gone. Because if this storyline is gone, Nuke goes with it. They're barely on now. And with the time the show has, do you actually think TPTB are going to come up with anything better in time? :(

I just wish people would see how it plays out. I know the waiting sucks major balls. But all the energy wasted on all the hating is exhausting to read.

I have barely seen FM in anything until ATWT. So I can't really judge all that much. But from the little I've seen, I think he's doing a really good job as Mason.

But I'm curious as to who Sean Kanaan is. :)

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But I'm curious as to who Sean Kanaan is. :)

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I don't hate Mason, either...I rather like him. So far, he hasn't done anything that's so unforgivable in my eyes. I'm super excited for this upcoming storyline for Nuke, and honestly, I have to say that I'm kind of wishing and hoping that they don't make Mason out to be a true "bad guy". I've liked him from the start, and I like the conflict he's brought so far.

I also really like Forbes. He's a great actor and...did you see that bod of his when he and Jake had the Shirt Removal scene in the hospital? Hello! :D

I'll have to wait and see how I feel more about Mason with this upcoming storyline. Most likely I won't end up hating him forever and ever, as long as Nuke doesn't break up permanently because of him. Then it might be another story. ;)

I'm all for the Nuke drama, though! Bring it! 'Cause they always have the best reunions after. :wub
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i have to say, i much prefer it when gay characters come between luke/noah, even hinting at it (Reg/Mason) than Ameera, because as much potential as Ameera had, it became too weird.
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I don't hate Mason but I don't like him either that's for sure.
But Mason is gonna be evil in November so that's when I'm probably gonna hate him.

But like Chez says if they aren't people who try to break Nuke up. Nuke would be so boring. It's a soap so we want to see drama. I always say no drama, no airtime. So I'm all for the drama :D
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