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Discussion of the viability of Mobile Suits in our reality
Topic Started: Jun 4 2010, 01:56 PM (1,254 Views)
Mafisto
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Neither have I, but Airplanes DO get taken out. It would be foolish to think otherwise.
Edited by Mafisto, Jun 7 2010, 04:10 PM.
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Mafisto
Jun 7 2010, 04:08 PM
Neither have I, but Airplanes DO get taken out. It would be foolish to think otherwise.
Planes, maybe, but this is the age of fighter jets, after all. You're not gonna have Infantry beating jets, manned rocket launchers have hardly any capability to hit fighter jets anymore. SAM sites and other jets are your best bet.
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Lusankya ★★★★
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Shen
Jun 7 2010, 04:34 AM
Mafisto
Jun 7 2010, 02:54 AM
...and Infantry destroys the Air Planes.
Really? I've never heard of an F/A-22 Raptor being taken down by soldiers before...Care to point me to that bulletin? XD
Well, Raptors are A. stealth and B. have never seen combat against a military of comparable technological ability, so it's not exactly a fair comparison. But ground AA sites take out planes all the time in real wars, not the S&D missions we have going on right now.
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Mobile Suits in space have a distinct advantage of being agile, as opposed to fighters who have speed, but can't exactly be counted on for quick manuevering. Besides, a fighter can't grab a stray asteroid and hide behind it for cover, and neither can a fighter disarm another fighter, take its weapon, and destroy it. UC Gundams also appear to be able to move without thrusters whatsoever using AMBAC manuevers, so that's another plus.
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winseven
Jun 13 2010, 01:29 PM
Mobile Suits in space have a distinct advantage of being agile, as opposed to fighters who have speed, but can't exactly be counted on for quick manuevering. Besides, a fighter can't grab a stray asteroid and hide behind it for cover, and neither can a fighter disarm another fighter, take its weapon, and destroy it. UC Gundams also appear to be able to move without thrusters whatsoever using AMBAC manuevers, so that's another plus.
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If anything, Mobile Suits would be less agile than fighters due to the structural problems of having arms and legs, plus having less room for engines. A Mobile Suit's design is horrific for any kind of atmospheric or space maneuvering. Also, "grabbing asteroids" is totally unrealistic in any kind of space combat. Space is really really empty. The chance of you coming across a random asteroid to hide behind is ridiculously small, not to mention that asteroids rotate too quick for such things to be of much use anyways. The only reason a Suit can disarm another Suit and take its weapon is because both are designed stupidly to enable such things. There is absolutely no reason to give a war machine hands to handle weapons when you can just weld the weapons on so you don't need things like triggers and so the weapons can't be stolen.

Also, we're talking about REAL mobile suits, not fictional ones. Being able to move magically is not real.
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A Space-use mobile suit can be packed to the brim with thrusters and move by locking the joints and firing the thrusters.

Mobile Suit can rip weapons off of tanks and render them useless.

It doesn't even have to be an asteroid. Mobile Suits would do better in combat on moons by hiding in large holes or outcroppings. It can also make use of debris from large-scale combat (pieces from battleships perhaps) for cover.
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winseven
Jun 14 2010, 03:44 AM
A Space-use mobile suit can be packed to the brim with thrusters and move by locking the joints and firing the thrusters.

Mobile Suit can rip weapons off of tanks and render them useless.

It doesn't even have to be an asteroid. Mobile Suits would do better in combat on moons by hiding in large holes or outcroppings. It can also make use of debris from large-scale combat (pieces from battleships perhaps) for cover.
Uh no, it can't. Since you have to have places for fuel, joint motors, power lines for the weapons, fuel lines, etc., you know, stuff that REAL MACHINES need, the shape of a Gundam is horrible for... well... anything. If all an engineer needed to do was add thrusters, then things like going to the moon, or building flying cars would be a piece of cake.

Yes, and a tank can shoot a Mobile Suit and kill it before a Mobile Suit can get within a mile of it... there's a reason we don't use melee weapons anymore, and it's because they're useless. If anyone, either a soldier or a mobile suit, has been reduced to hand-to-hand combat, then something has gone horribly, horribly wrong.

Uh, and why can't fighters hide? They can land, you know.
Edited by Lusankya, Jun 14 2010, 05:28 PM.
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Jun 14 2010, 05:07 PM
If anyone, either a soldier or a mobile suit, has been reduced to hand-to-hand combat, then something has gone horribly, horribly wrong.
Er...what? Dude, you MUST realize that it does actually happen these days, right? If it didn't, we wouldn't need to be taught hand-to-hand combat as heavily as we are today (by we, I mean us U.S. soldiers; for those who do not know, I am one). Even these days in the War or Terrorism, soldiers have gotten into melee fights with insurgents, and it was our training (and our handy-dandy knives) that won those battles for us.

Anyone ever see Saving Private Ryan? Remember the melee fight in that? Er, yup, it still happens. It's not often because of the power of long-range weapons these days, but you (aimed at anyone, not Lus in particular) are horribly wrong if you think it doesn't happen at all anymore.
Edited by Shen, Jun 15 2010, 03:00 AM.
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Shen
Jun 15 2010, 02:59 AM
Lusankya
Jun 14 2010, 05:07 PM
If anyone, either a soldier or a mobile suit, has been reduced to hand-to-hand combat, then something has gone horribly, horribly wrong.
Er...what? Dude, you MUST realize that it does actually happen these days, right? If it didn't, we wouldn't need to be taught hand-to-hand combat as heavily as we are today (by we, I mean us U.S. soldiers; for those who do not know, I am one). Even these days in the War or Terrorism, soldiers have gotten into melee fights with insurgents, and it was our training (and our handy-dandy knives) that won those battles for us.

Anyone ever see Saving Private Ryan? Remember the melee fight in that? Er, yup, it still happens. It's not often because of the power of long-range weapons these days, but you (aimed at anyone, not Lus in particular) are horribly wrong if you think it doesn't happen at all anymore.
Yes, it happens. Very, very rarely. And while it's fine and cheap to train a soldier to fight, trying to build a multi-billion dollar war machine so that it can punch and kick is about the biggest waste of money you can get short of shoveling cash straight into a fire.
Edited by Lusankya, Jun 15 2010, 06:48 PM.
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Jun 15 2010, 06:47 PM
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Jun 15 2010, 02:59 AM
Lusankya
Jun 14 2010, 05:07 PM
If anyone, either a soldier or a mobile suit, has been reduced to hand-to-hand combat, then something has gone horribly, horribly wrong.
Er...what? Dude, you MUST realize that it does actually happen these days, right? If it didn't, we wouldn't need to be taught hand-to-hand combat as heavily as we are today (by we, I mean us U.S. soldiers; for those who do not know, I am one). Even these days in the War or Terrorism, soldiers have gotten into melee fights with insurgents, and it was our training (and our handy-dandy knives) that won those battles for us.

Anyone ever see Saving Private Ryan? Remember the melee fight in that? Er, yup, it still happens. It's not often because of the power of long-range weapons these days, but you (aimed at anyone, not Lus in particular) are horribly wrong if you think it doesn't happen at all anymore.
Yes, it happens. Very, very rarely. And while it's fine and cheap to train a soldier to fight, trying to build a multi-billion dollar war machine so that it can punch and kick is about the biggest waste of money you can get short of shoveling cash straight into a fire.
I was just commenting on the part about live soldiers, not the Gundams, you know ^^.

And it is kinda rare, but not too extremely these days. it used to be that you almost never got into close-quarters with opponents in the past century. But this conflict in the Middle East has people firing at one another within twenty meters, rather than a hundred or so. Soldiers get up-close and personal with their enemies these days, and hand-to-hand happens even more often in this new day and age than it did in, say, WWII...if still quite rare XD
Edited by Shen, Jun 17 2010, 07:07 AM.
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But fighters wouldn't have any gripping devices, unless you designed them with some without hindering their movement normally, in which case I'm sold. Your fighter would not only have to be able to simply hide, but carry things to use as makeshift shields/camoflage while moving.

Hand-to-hand combat is never out-of-date. When you run out of ammo, you have no choice but to get down and dirty. Also, if you don't know how to fight in close-quarters, the guerrillas will destroy you with superior close-quarter ability.
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Mobile suits are damn near impossible, but Balls are the best. Yes, Balls. They are the best.

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I can totally see a Ball custom ripping up space though. It's small, mobile, has attached weapons, and can grip debris for cover.
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Jun 17 2010, 10:49 AM
But fighters wouldn't have any gripping devices, unless you designed them with some without hindering their movement normally, in which case I'm sold. Your fighter would not only have to be able to simply hide, but carry things to use as makeshift shields/camoflage while moving.

Hand-to-hand combat is never out-of-date. When you run out of ammo, you have no choice but to get down and dirty. Also, if you don't know how to fight in close-quarters, the guerrillas will destroy you with superior close-quarter ability.
Wtf? Makeshift camouflage? Besides the fact that there's no reason why a Gundam could carry makeshift camouflage around with it IN SPACE, why the hell would you need it anyways? Have you realized that space is big? Really, really big? So big that the chances of you being with visual range of your target is actually close to nothing? Hell, modern naval battles and fighters are designed to engage at distances where the human eye is worthless except for reading those sensor displays. Space battles are only going to be at even greater distances. And again. Space is really, really, empty. Hence why we call it space. The likelihood that there will be a convenient asteroid around for you to hide behind is so ridiculously small that trying to plan for it is like trying to armor a US Marine against the possibility of a meteorite hitting him in the head. Also, what do you mean "without hindering their movement normally"? Do you realize the enormous hindrances to movement that Gundams have called arms and legs? Why do you need arms and legs to fly? Birds don't have arms, and they don't fly with their legs.
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