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I need Atlus, Xseed and Level 5
Topic Started: Mar 17 2010, 02:39 PM (333 Views)
TSL
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No daylight, I'm too weak to face it!
On that point. That's what I don't really get about them. They make semi popular games like Shin Megami and Persona for Sony right?

Then, when they decide to take on a 360 project, they drop quite possibly the 3 whackest games in their entire catalog. Then they get mad about it and just go back to publishing titles for Sony.

What kinda logic is that? I mean, at LEAST bring your A Game if you KNOW you are effing with a system that is stereotyped to not like your games. At least then you have a CHANCE at making a profit.
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What I wanna know is where this stupid stereotype came from. How many people here alone went from a PS2 the rpg machine to a 360?
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TSL
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My next point. Thank you!
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DarkCloudLives

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Mar 17 2010, 10:58 PM
On that point. That's what I don't really get about them. They make semi popular games like Shin Megami and Persona for Sony right?

Then, when they decide to take on a 360 project, they drop quite possibly the 3 whackest games in their entire catalog. Then they get mad about it and just go back to publishing titles for Sony.

What kinda logic is that? I mean, at LEAST bring your A Game if you KNOW you are effing with a system that is stereotyped to not like your games. At least then you have a CHANCE at making a profit.
Persona is an SMT game. Those three games that Atlus published aren't Atlus games. They were games made for that console that Atlus thought had a high enough appeal to bring over. Persona and the other SMT games are Atlus games and Atlus is a Japanese company like NIS and Level 5. They make games where they know they will sell and any sort of big loss can truly destroy any of those companies. Developing for a console that doesn't sell in their native land doesn't help them and Atlus/NIS are too niche to really sell on the 360. Rogue Galaxy and WKC are owned by Sony and Rogue Galaxy was a good game in which I want a sequel for. Speaking of which, that is why they also develop for Nintendo products.
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DarkCloudLives
Mar 17 2010, 11:23 PM
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Mar 17 2010, 10:58 PM
On that point. That's what I don't really get about them. They make semi popular games like Shin Megami and Persona for Sony right?

Then, when they decide to take on a 360 project, they drop quite possibly the 3 whackest games in their entire catalog. Then they get mad about it and just go back to publishing titles for Sony.

What kinda logic is that? I mean, at LEAST bring your A Game if you KNOW you are effing with a system that is stereotyped to not like your games. At least then you have a CHANCE at making a profit.
Persona is an SMT game. Those three games that Atlus published aren't Atlus games. They were games made for that console that Atlus thought had a high enough appeal to bring over. Persona and the other SMT games are Atlus games and Atlus is a Japanese company like NIS and Level 5. They make games where they know they will sell and any sort of big loss can truly destroy any of those companies. Developing for a console that doesn't sell in their native land doesn't help them and Atlus/NIS are too niche to really sell on the 360. Rogue Galaxy and WKC are owned by Sony and Rogue Galaxy was a good game in which I want a sequel for. Speaking of which, that is why they also develop for Nintendo products.
Your semantics (that I'm fully aware of by the way) that you often enjoy pointing out don't change my point. If taking any type of loss can hurt them, why in God's name would they invest ANY money to publish shatty games that wouldn't sell well anywhere? Publishing a horrible fist fighting FPS doesn't sound like good business strategy. But... Maybe that explains it. Maybe they aren't as smart as I'd like to give them credit for.

As for the selling Persona on a Japanese system because we're Japanese and love Japanesing all over the place... I'm calling BS. Persona would sell a hell of a lot better on 360 than any of that trash they published. There are more RPG fans on the 360 than gaming snobs and elitists want people to believe.

Is there a chance that I'm wrong. Certainly. But c'mon. there is no excuse for those horrible titles to exist, let alone be published for the 360 by a company that's known for much better stuff.

What better way to establish yourself than to come out with your A game? Or... Just stay your ass in Japan and don't bother. But don't have me and the other slaves out here eatin chittlins while yall are in the big house eating steak. Just don't bother.

If I were to guess, they attempted to make Operation Darkness look like a shooter so all us retards would buy it without doing any research.

And for the RG and WKC examples. They are just examples. The games don't NEED to be those specific titles. As for Nintendo, I could package a cheeseburger as a videogame and sell it on that bastard. Any smart business person would sell games THERE. :lol:
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Why are you calling these three Atlus 360 games junk; have you played any of them? Besides, Atlus USA is a localization company only; all they do is bring over games they think we'd enjoy, and bless them for doing so! Atlus Japan is a separate company and it is they who make the MegaTen games. They chose to make their games for the PS2 console because any idiot could see that console was where those games would sell the best.

At this point, Atlus Japan has not yet made a next generation MegaTen game, for either console. Strange Journey is coming to the DS at the end of this month, but everyone is still waiting for the true SMT4 to ever be announced. I think it is important for you to understand that Atlus USA does not port anything from one console to another; all they do is localize what Japan has to offer for the console it was created for, that's it.
Edited by thinkfreemind, Mar 18 2010, 02:41 AM.
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TFM, either I didn't write my statement well, or you just missed what I was trying to say. I don't give 2 flying monkeys about all this Atlus Japan, Atlus USA, localization, porting or any of these other semantics you and DCL are bringing to the table.

My point is simple. Atlus USA, Atlus Germany or Atlus Baghdad or whomever it was thought it was a good idea to bring those 2 whackass games to players on the 360. (I've not played Xenoclash because it's not out yet. But c'mon. :lol: ) Yes I played. They suck. They for whatever retarded reason didn't think it was a good idea to localize the games they make that are actually remotely popular. Would it kill them to drop Persona on us as an XBLA game just like they moved it over to PSP? To me, I wish they just wouldn't localize anything for 360 if THAT's the crap we're gonna get. That's my point.

I wasn't at all trying to argue about why they make games for Playstation or Nintendo. That's a no-brainer. That's their core demographic. But to me, it is ab-so-lute-ly retarded to bring over shatty games when you have games that are actually decent.

Granted, as you said SMT4 is not out yet, so maybe they will drop something our way and my frustration will be for naught. But if 3D Dot Heros gives us any clue into their plans for the future, then.......
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tsl is trolling O_o ?
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TSL
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Nah man. No beef. Just clarifying my point since it seemed like I wasn't saying it right based on DCL and TFM's responses. It often takes me a few cycles to get my thoughts together just right to say what I'm trying to say.
Edited by TSL, Mar 18 2010, 08:26 AM.
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Mar 18 2010, 07:08 AM
They for whatever retarded reason didn't think it was a good idea to localize the games they make that are actually remotely popular. Would it kill them to drop Persona on us as an XBLA game just like they moved it over to PSP?
This is not what Atlus USA does. The decision to put a game like Persona on XBL would be up to Atlus Japan to decide. Atlus USA just takes what games already exist in Japan and localizes them for us, but only if they think it will sell well enough to be worth the effort. If you know of any Japanese games that you would like to see localized for us here in the States, I'd suggest going HERE to ask.
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Mar 18 2010, 03:14 PM
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Mar 18 2010, 07:08 AM
They for whatever retarded reason didn't think it was a good idea to localize the games they make that are actually remotely popular. Would it kill them to drop Persona on us as an XBLA game just like they moved it over to PSP?
This is not what Atlus USA does. The decision to put a game like Persona on XBL would be up to Atlus Japan to decide. Atlus USA just takes what games already exist in Japan and localizes them for us, but only if they think it will sell well enough to be worth the effort. If you know of any Japanese games that you would like to see localized for us here in the States, I'd suggest going HERE to ask.
:o You did not just link him to the forums now the nxt SMT game is gonna suffer multiplat-itis like ffxiii did. I can just see it now vehicles with gun turrets.... oh the humanity
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Mar 18 2010, 03:14 PM
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Mar 18 2010, 07:08 AM
They for whatever retarded reason didn't think it was a good idea to localize the games they make that are actually remotely popular. Would it kill them to drop Persona on us as an XBLA game just like they moved it over to PSP?
This is not what Atlus USA does. The decision to put a game like Persona on XBL would be up to Atlus Japan to decide. Atlus USA just takes what games already exist in Japan and localizes them for us, but only if they think it will sell well enough to be worth the effort. If you know of any Japanese games that you would like to see localized for us here in the States, I'd suggest going HERE to ask.
Again. I must be saying something wrong.

I am not singling out a single distribution office. Whether it's Japan, Montreal, Kuwait or USA is irrelevant to my point. I'm simply saying that someone somewhere in the Atlus chain of command is retarded for putting out godawful games on a system that already is stigma'd to not like your isht. It would make sense for WHOMEVER is responsible for getting the 360 games to get us games that actually would have a chance of selling well. I can't imagine operation darkness did or would do well ANYWHERE... Let alone on 360.

Is it Atlus USA that brings the US Persona, SMT, 3Dot Heroes? If so, it's even more retarded to give the 360 - of all systems - the shatty games when your stuff is already not popular on our side of the ghetto. But even if that is not Atlus USA's responsibility, it doesn't matter. Someone, somewhere in their chain of command is retarded.

It would be like Peter Jackson releasing "Lord of the Rings" in the UK exclusively and then only releasing "Bad Taste" here in the states. He wouldn't be doing himself any good. He'd be better off just not bothering. That's what I'm saying to Atlus as a whole... Regardless of what country the office that was responsible lies in.
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Mar 17 2010, 03:20 PM
I need for Atlus, Xseed and Level 5 to pull their heads out of their butts and make a good game for me. That's what I need. :D
On that note, this absolutely breaks my heart.

http://wii.ign.com/articles/107/1078205p1.html

Even moreso than WKC. I was really, really hoping it would turn out well. :(
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...someone somewhere in the Atlus chain of command is retarded for putting out god-awful games on a system that already is stigma'd to not like your isht.
Atlus USA localizes games from Japan (not just Atlus JP, of course) that it thinks we will want. I don't have the sales figures for all of the games Atlus localizes, but I am fairly sure that they are making a profit on every game they release here. You need to keep in mind that Atlus USA does not develop games, which means that for the cost of a small team to spend a few months localizing some obscure Japanese game (and the cost of advertising, etc...) they set themselves up to make enough money to keep on keepin' on. Whether or not you like the games they localize is a whole another issue.
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Is it Atlus USA that brings the US Persona, SMT, 3Dot Heroes?
Yes, Atlus USA is the company that localizes these games for us. The MegaTen series, including Persona, are Atlus JP games, so it is up to Atlus JP to decide for which console they want to make these games. Since Sony and Nintendo are the two dominant brands in Japan, it goes without saying that there is a much greater chance of their games being developed for these consoles. As for games from other developers, like those from Sting, From Software, etc., Atlus JP often publishes those games in Japan and then Atlus USA localizes them for us.

I understand what it is you are saying, but if the games Atlus releases here aren't to your liking, then I guess Atlus just isn't the game company for you. It is kind of like how I don't play MMO games, so Blizzard isn't the company for me. I hope I've helped fully explain how Atlus works in a way so that you understand that Atlus USA and Atlus JP are two different companies. For example, that game suggestion thread I linked you to on the Atlus forums doesn't mean anything to Atlus JP, and I seriously doubt Atlus JP ever bothers to visit and read what we have to say.
Edited by thinkfreemind, Mar 18 2010, 10:47 PM.
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Mar 18 2010, 08:51 PM
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Mar 17 2010, 03:20 PM
I need for Atlus, Xseed and Level 5 to pull their heads out of their butts and make a good game for me. That's what I need. :D
On that note, this absolutely breaks my heart.

http://wii.ign.com/articles/107/1078205p1.html

Even moreso than WKC. I was really, really hoping it would turn out well. :(
WKC isn't anywhere near as bad as the reviews made it out to be.
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