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| Vanir | Mar 14 2011, 06:09:39 PM Post #31 |
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They mean the same thing... |
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| Dr. Åssom | Mar 14 2011, 06:13:40 PM Post #32 |
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Not exactly. "Cede" is more of a formal surrender, like ceding territory to another country. "Concede" is more orientated towards acknowledging victory to the other side. |
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| Vanir | Mar 14 2011, 06:14:33 PM Post #33 |
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Eh, well, close enough for me. |
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| Milk | Mar 14 2011, 06:47:26 PM Post #34 |
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I'm confused as to what you're contradicting here. Edited by Milk, Mar 14 2011, 06:47:38 PM.
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| Dr. Åssom | Mar 14 2011, 07:04:59 PM Post #35 |
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He said skin is hard to stab through. I'm saying skin is easy to stab through and that it's muscle that's hard to stab. Yes, flesh does, technically, include muscle, but by his paper cut reference, it's obvious that he was just talking about skin as paper cuts don't involve muscles. (Though, if you get a paper cut that does slice through the muscle, then you've got problems. )
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| quirk | Mar 14 2011, 07:22:08 PM Post #36 |
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Rather, he seemed to say flesh is hard to stab through in comparison to slicing through it, based on the paper cut reference, not to mention that as he's talking about the effort necessary to injure organs by stabbing through flesh, he obviously is implying going through more than skin as well. I think this is likely irrelevant though anyway.
Edited by quirk, Mar 14 2011, 07:24:57 PM.
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| Dr. Åssom | Mar 14 2011, 07:31:39 PM Post #37 |
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Well, then it's just a failed analogy. Stabbing muscle is entirely incomparable with slicing skin. There is just no basis for comparison. |
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| quirk | Mar 15 2011, 12:25:33 AM Post #38 |
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The point of his comparison was never to just compare cutting skin to stabbing muscle, though. It was weighing why an assassin would prefer a weapon made for stabbing human flesh for the purpose of damaging organs to a weapon meant for slicing skin to cut veins and arteries, and his then continued comparison of the difficulties associated with a preference of the former to the latter. Edited by quirk, Mar 15 2011, 12:28:51 AM.
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| Dr. Åssom | Mar 15 2011, 01:01:54 AM Post #39 |
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Did you forget the part where I agreed with his entire post except for just this one thing? |
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| quirk | Mar 15 2011, 01:10:14 AM Post #40 |
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The basis for comparison lays in the original discussion on how to attack as an assassin, not in the similarity between the two attacks. Your one point of disagreement was that it is easy to stab through human flesh. Not necessarily so, however, when compared to slicing through it, which is what he was comparing. It is possible for something to be easy in and of itself, but difficult when compared to another action.
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| Dr. Åssom | Mar 15 2011, 01:52:14 AM Post #41 |
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You're wrong on two accounts. I said it was easy to pierce skin, not muscles as well, and it's also easy to slice skin but not muscles. Muscles are tough and strong. It's difficult to damage them by any means be it slashing or piercing. The difference lies in the fact that stabbing organs forces you to penetrate the muscles while slitting a throat does not. Also, how do you compare two attacks while keeping the similarities between them irrelevant? That just makes no sense. If you compare two attacks, then you're comparing the two attacks. If your point has nothing to do with the similarities between the attacks, then you shouldn't have even compared them in the first place. "It is possible for something to be easy in and of itself, but difficult when compared to another action." So, you're saying it would be perfectly reasonable and rational of me to say something to the extent of "It's easier to beat Super Mario Sunshine than it is to run a marathon?" The comparison is only tangential, at best, and is, for all intents and purposes, meaningless. Comparing the ease of slicing skin ala a paper cut to the difficulty of stabbing through muscle with a dagger is wholly pointless and really says nothing. There are two aspects to each case: the action and the substance the action is used on. If one of them is the same, then it's logical to compare the differences in the other factor. However, if both of them are different, as is the current case, then comparison is both useless and meaningless. |
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| redsrock | Mar 15 2011, 06:18:34 AM Post #42 |
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Are we really arguing about whether or not an analogy is useless and meaningless...? Seems rather petty to me.
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| quirk | Mar 15 2011, 02:18:40 PM Post #43 |
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I wasn't arguing, Reds, though I apologize if it appeared that way. |
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| Vanir | Mar 15 2011, 03:04:50 PM Post #44 |
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I don't know what you guys are talking about. I've never had a problem with stabbing or slicing flesh. |
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| Dr. Åssom | Mar 15 2011, 04:48:59 PM Post #45 |
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Really? From my perspective, you're the one who started it. Only my last post there was argumentative, and that was just because you wouldn't accept the other two posts where I was trying to end it. |
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| quirk | Mar 15 2011, 04:52:08 PM Post #46 |
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You misunderstand me, Ninja, and I am not accusing you of having started anything either. I am not suggesting anything was started to begin with. I'm simply saying I was not attempting to be argumentative, and was viewing our discussion as light fun, and apologizing if it appeared otherwise to everyone else. |
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| Dr. Åssom | Mar 15 2011, 05:08:35 PM Post #47 |
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Very well. I can see your point there. |
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| Vanir | Mar 15 2011, 07:43:37 PM Post #48 |
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Goddammit quirk, you have to be the chillest guy I know. |
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| quirk | Mar 15 2011, 09:04:56 PM Post #49 |
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Eh, there just aren't many things that bother me, really, and most of those are almost impossible to succesfully do on an Internet forum.
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| Turtle | Mar 16 2011, 01:55:10 PM Post #50 |
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One can dream can they not? /wistful smile
One would assume that in terms of assassination, I would be referring to the muscle and bone (though hopefully not the latter in the case of a successful assassin!) However this confusion is likely caused by my poor usage of the word 'flesh', which I (quite incorrectly) use to refer to the skin, muscle and bone within. Apologies ![]() Anyways, I'm sorry if what was meant to be informative was mis-read or mis-conveyed. Back on topic, what's the deal with the Dragon Shouts? |
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| Vanir | Mar 16 2011, 03:07:04 PM Post #51 |
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They're almost like powers in previous games. When you kill a dragon, you get one, and the effects are (supposedly) all unique; that is, they have no similar spell effects. I'm not sure how often they can be used, but I would assume it's something like once per day. |
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| quirk | Mar 16 2011, 03:43:51 PM Post #52 |
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It's the THRU'UM! |
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| Dr. Åssom | Mar 16 2011, 03:47:31 PM Post #53 |
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I suppose you can, but not even the Thief series, widely regarded as the best stealth games in existence, is even half that complex. I doubt it. "Once per day" is more of a D&D kind of thing where there is no such thing as a mana bar. I don't entirely know how this new magic overhaul works, but I'd assume they're keeping something as basic as a mana bar. I'm guessing the Dragon Shouts will just have a long recharge time, probably around an hour or so. |
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| Vanir | Mar 16 2011, 04:37:14 PM Post #54 |
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...ALL Powers in TES (barring a couple Vampire ones) are once-a-day only. I see no reason that these would be any different. |
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| Turtle | Mar 16 2011, 04:40:52 PM Post #55 |
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I hated the once a day powers though to be honest. It made them undependable as who knows as to what situations will arise when they may be needed, so I just learned to play without them. I hope they implement a more intuitive system for Skyrim. |
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| Vanir | Mar 16 2011, 04:43:45 PM Post #56 |
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I just used them whenever I could. I used to save them until I needed them, but then I realized I never did. Only once have I ever used a Power that resulted in my life being saved (It was the Lover's Kiss), so I decided I was wasting them by not using them. They can be pretty helpful. |
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| Vanir | Mar 16 2011, 05:18:43 PM Post #57 |
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UPDATE ON THE COMBAT SYSTEM Weapons, spells, and shields must be equipped to either hand. That means you can't simultaneously wield a two-handed weapon and a spell, but that does mean you can equip two spells; one in each hand. This should make magic duels more interesting, because you can equip a shielding spell in one hand and an attacking in the other. What you do with the cast button determines how the spell is cast. For example, with a fire spell, pulling one of the triggers once will send a fireball at your opponent. Holding it down will spray a flamethrower, and equipping the same spell to both hands allows you to cast massive bursts in front of you, dealing incredible damage and draining your magicka pool. Shields also work differently. Tapping the button will put up a brief block, meaning that blocking must be timed now. Holding down the button will perform a shield bash. Bows can zoom, and the longer you hold a shot in, the more damage it does. Arrow amounts have been seriously nerfed, though. It will be incredibly difficult to find large amounts of arrows anymore; you won't be charging into battle with fifty Daedric arrows. Stealth has been changed to a more Fallout 3-esque style. When detected, NPCs go into an alert state. Players with a high Sneak skill can duck away without being seen more effectively. Daggers are being fit into stealth a lot better now as well. Sneaking up behind an enemy ad attacking with a dagger deals about 10x damage. I assume this is where throat-slitting comes into play. |
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| VickyD | Mar 16 2011, 05:22:49 PM Post #58 |
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I hope to God you can go double shield. |
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| Vanir | Mar 16 2011, 05:34:59 PM Post #59 |
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What would be the point of that? You can't attack anyone. |
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| Dr. Åssom | Mar 16 2011, 06:36:49 PM Post #60 |
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Huh...you know, you're right. I suppose I forgot after having not played in forever and also never really picking any birthsigns with Powers. |
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