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The bardiche is a polearm and not a true axe, and the poleaxe, despite the name, is actually a war hammer.
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Ninja, @ the longbow comment:

Did you know that Benjamin Franklin actually suggested that each colony have a regiment of longbowmen during The Revolution for that reason?

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Jan 3 2011, 07:41:16 PM
Are you implying that I lied about staying at home and doing nothing on New Year's? Do you think that I'm secretly a massive party animal and just trying to hide my awesome life from you all to avoid you becoming jealous?
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Yeah, the Americans would have never been able to pull that off. The longbow may have been the greatest weapon at the time, but it takes skill to use, skill which was one of the largest things the Revolutionaries lacked.
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Dr. Åssom
Mar 9 2011, 03:46:34 PM
The bardiche is a polearm and not a true axe, and the poleaxe, despite the name, is actually a war hammer.
Um... the poleaxe is a weapon consisting of an axe blade attached to a pole. I've read that some say it's a polearm, some call it an axe, but I don't think it could be called a hammer. It doesn't have a blunt edge or spike.

Also, the bardiche is one of the shortest polearms. Its pole is just too short for it to be used in the same manner as, say, a halberd. It's more like a long axe than a short polearm.
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Mar 10 2011, 01:05:51 PM
Um... the poleaxe is a weapon consisting of an axe blade attached to a pole. I've read that some say it's a polearm, some call it an axe, but I don't think it could be called a hammer. It doesn't have a blunt edge or spike.
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"Poleaxe" is the medieval name used by the English for the long-handled footman's warhammer, regardless of whether it actually had an axe head or not.


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Also, the bardiche is one of the shortest polearms. Its pole is just too short for it to be used in the same manner as, say, a halberd. It's more like a long axe than a short polearm.
Yes. That's because a halberd is a two-handed polearm, while the bardiche is a one-handed polearm. You can't have something intended for use with one hand be around ten feet long. It's just not going to work, well, unless it's a spear used for thrusting, but that's neither here nor there.
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Thank you for the link. What a great site.

To quote the very site:
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However, the poleaxe is not entirely a derivative of the warhammer. Indeed it evolved just as much from the Danish axe, and scholars Claude Blair and John Waldman consider the knightly poleaxe to be the most sophisticated form of the Danish axe.

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The axe head on a poleaxe, when present, was generally smaller than that of its predecessor, the Danish axe, with a blade length around 7 inches, though it could be as wide as 11 inches or as narrow as 6 inches. Much like the Danish axe, the edge of a poleaxe's axe head can be found straight or as a convex curve.

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The axe, the top and back spikes and the langets were all forged into a single piece with a socket for the haft.

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Generally, the head bore an axe or hammer upon the damaging 'face', with a spike, hammer, or fluke on the reverse.


Apparently the poleaxe can have an axe or hammer head, or both. If you look at the examples at about halfway down the page, you can clearly see that most of them have an axe head, while some lack the hammer. To label it strictly as a warhammer is as wrong as claiming "all poleaxes are axes".

As for the bardiche...
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The bladed portion of the head could run as long as 2 feet, the shaft itself was never more than 5 feet.

Try wielding that one-handed.
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Some nations preferred the bardiche over that of the similar competing halberd...

They would hardly be competing if the one was two, the other one-handed, would they?
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"Derived from an axe" is not the same as "is an axe." I'd have thought that would be obvious. If the poleaxe is an axe due to being evolved from one, then every single melee weapon in existence is a club.



It would also hardly be "competing" if it was an entirely different weapon.



Fuck, they're both even specifically mentioned here:
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Spears, glaives, poleaxes, halberds, and bardiches are all varieties of polearms.

A polearm is a weapon with a head at the end of a long shaft. They both clearly have long shafts.
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Dr. Åssom
Mar 10 2011, 08:53:01 PM
A polearm is a weapon with a head at the end of a long shaft. They both clearly have long shafts.
That's what she said...

Can we agree that they are axe-like polearms?

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Jan 3 2011, 07:41:16 PM
Are you implying that I lied about staying at home and doing nothing on New Year's? Do you think that I'm secretly a massive party animal and just trying to hide my awesome life from you all to avoid you becoming jealous?
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Mar 10 2011, 09:22:17 PM
Dr. Åssom
Mar 10 2011, 08:53:01 PM
A polearm is a weapon with a head at the end of a long shaft. They both clearly have long shafts.
That's what she said...
That's why I worded it like that. :P

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Can we agree that they are axe-like polearms?
Yeah. That's what I'm getting at.
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Mar 10 2011, 09:22:17 PM
Can we agree that they are axe-like polearms?
Deal. Damn beautiful ones at that. I'd love to lay my hands on a poleaxe. Or rather, own one.
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Exciting much?!?!?! I think I need to do some major upgrading so that I can run this on ultra without a hitch, and really get into it (says I as my PC chugs and smolders below)

I love the dynamic story system, and of course the magic overhaul sounds insanely good :) I look forward to this a lot.
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TURTLE!
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Mar 11 2011, 11:08:00 PM
TURTLE!
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Hi all, glad to see you're still going ;) Looks like you'll have some major work/activity around November time ^_^ I'm very excited ;)
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How wonderful to see you, Turtle.


I'm a little apprehensive about the Radiant Story system. It seems like it'll probably end up like Radiant AI before it: overhyped and not implemented as well as it could have been.
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Also, seeing as we now have a thread specifically for Skyrim discussion, please relegate all discussion to the appropriate (pinned) thread.
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