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| Megan | Mar 21 2010, 01:37 PM Post #1 |
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There's 10 pages of Ponyboy romance and, well, a lot of it is slash. There's incest of all sorts, Johnny/Ponyboy, Ponyboy/Two-Bit and the whole new guy thing. I do read slash. Mostly just an endless summer and Aero. I think sometimes it can work if it's written well and if theres emotion to it. So, do you read it? Do you write it? Can it ever work? And why do you think people write Ponyboy as gay? |
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| Erin | Mar 21 2010, 02:29 PM Post #2 |
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Incest just doesn't work for me. It just doesn't. But -- I'll admit it -- I definitely have a weakness for well-written slash. It's romance with two hawt boys instead of one, and, well, I'm a girl. Fangirl-ness aside, though, I can't seem to get enough of the drama that comes with unrequited feelings (which are often more plausible than reciprocated ones) ... and all that uncertainty. People so seldom deal with that side of slash that when they do, it's just awesome. I think that a lot of writers slash (?) Pony because he's dreamy and sensitive and they think that means it's okay to make him effeminate. (What they don't seem to realize is that a gay relationship doesn't always consist of a girly guy and a guy's guy, lol.) I also think he works because he's probably the least likely to beat up a guy who decides to kiss him. I don't necessarily see Pony as gay or even bisexual ... but it's very possible that he's curious. (Edited because I am forever leaving words out.) Edited by Erin, Mar 21 2010, 06:36 PM.
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| Megan | Mar 21 2010, 02:48 PM Post #3 |
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Haha. I agree. I love when there slash stories when one of the boys in denial. And thatworks for the time period. Being gay wasn't normal. When we were reading it in 7th grade, a lot of people threw around, "Pony's gay" because of how he said he's not into girls yet. And how he and Johnny are all cuddly at the park lol. So, I can see how they'd think that. Edited by Megan, Mar 21 2010, 04:15 PM.
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| aero | Mar 21 2010, 04:49 PM Post #4 |
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The Annihilator
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I feel very at home in this thread. Anyways, we'll see how this post turns out. Maybe I'll even reveal some slashy secrets. *crowd oooo's* Do you read it? No. I hate reading slash because it seems that everything is just so wrong with it. There is only one author who has ever honest-to-God astounded me with the accuracy of their slash, and that is infamouslastwords. It's as if authors think that plugging two guys together in the sixties was normal. They don't stop to think about the consequences or the repercussions at all, and that's what makes it so terrible to read. And since the majority of the slash universe belongs to fanbrats, the writing is terrible, too. A dash of realism, anyone? Do I write it? Yes, and I hate writing it because it's something that actually needs to be thought about. Often times I weave such a tangled mess because I tend to turn the boys into whores. But I try to keep it all as accurate and angst-y and real as I can. I still hate hate hate writing it, though. It's time consuming, and people tend to knock it before they try it. Can it ever work? Of course. If an author wants to spend the time it takes to seriously plot something, then anything is possible. If it's well-written, that's an added bonus. Why do I think people write Ponyboy as gay? Because it's easy. He's a sensitive kid that digs sunsets. He's also young, naive, and has a certain sense of vulnerability to him. But the sensitive ones aren't always gay. I've always seen someone like Two-Bit (many blondes? Hello--what's he trying to cover up?) or Steve as being queer. |
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| Comsie | Mar 21 2010, 07:29 PM Post #5 |
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I think writing Ponyboy as gay is done mainly because he's not into girls yet and is extremely close to Johnny and what not. I used to ship Johnny and Ponyboy until those stories got too cliche and bored me. I think Johnny's also written as gay because he's quiet and shy, and the story doesn't flat out mention a female interest. I wanted to say I don't write slash in the fandom, but well, I technically do, I guess, in my own twisted ways. But like Aero said, it's really hard to write slash in this fandom because you can't just have a present day coming out story where everything is sorta-accepted, because in that time homosexuality wasn't considered "normal" and was actually conisdered a mental illness. And yes, I do read slash sometimes now, usually by authors I know write it well. Edited by Comsie, Mar 21 2010, 07:31 PM.
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| Megan | Mar 30 2010, 04:59 PM Post #6 |
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I love how you don't read it, but you write it. Interesting. What about Dally being queer? He doesn't really understand it and hates himself for and that's another reason he's so angry and hates the world. I can see that working if it was done well. |
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| Erin | Apr 6 2010, 04:11 PM Post #7 |
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Honestly, if it was done right, I could buy pretty much any character being gay. (Notice I said character, as in singular, lol.) Johnny's the only person Dallas ever loved, right? Between that and Johnny's hero-worship for Dal, I could see Dallas/Johnny happening. It's one of the most plausible of the slash pairings, in my opinion. And also:What she said. Actually, Two-Bit really strikes me as the type who could swing both ways. But maybe that's just me. Edited by Erin, Apr 6 2010, 04:12 PM.
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| Allison | Apr 6 2010, 05:01 PM Post #8 |
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Can't believe I haven't posted in here before, but here's my two cents: Do you read it? I personally enjoy well-written slash. For the most part, I've been open to read just about any subject matter—even incest—so long as it is well-written. That being said, I have huge issues seeing incest with any of the Curtis brothers. I could easily see Steve having a sick older brother or something, but I just can't see Darry, Soda, or Pony being incestuous—unless in some very, very AU way. I guess I'll read just about any pairing or anything with slash, too. I do, however, get a little peeved when people ignore all the stigmas of the 60s and have the characters in this lovey-dovey, happily ever after romance. I just ... can't see that. Dating another guy would be extremely taboo, and I see a lot of guilt and angst involved in the matter. Another pet peeve of mine is when an author just writes sex. Sex in the first chapter of a slash fic doesn't work for me. It'd take a longgg time for the couple to advance to that point. It's not like "OMG UR HAWT! LETS HAVE SECKS!" right away in the relationship. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE well-written smut as much as the next person (I can thank my inner fangirl for that) but aside from the entertainment value, it doesn't do much for me. I'm a sucker for having to see the plot arc in a fic—especially a romance. I wanna see everything. The beginning, the middle, and the bitter (not necessarily bitter, but in my fics and verse, it generally is) end, and EVERYTHING in between. BUT, to answer the question specifically, I really don't read it. I'm very afraid to venture out of the comfort zone of my little slashy triangle of people. There I KNOW people actually pay attention to realism and whatnot. There I don't have to worry about my pet peeves happening ;). Do you write it? Yes. I try to write slash the way I want to see it, basically the way it's NEVER written in the fandom. Like aero said and I mentioned earlier, homosexuality in the 60s wasn't exactly culturally accepted. Hell, even TODAY people have issues with gays. So imagine that, plus the time period, PLUS the bible belt mentality of the South and you don't really get a great atmosphere for gays to be open about their sexuality. So, I personally like to show the person's inner struggle of having to deal with the fact they're basically condemned to the lowest wrung of society. Also, while it's seemingly impossible for a person to be open about their sexuality, it's also very hard for me to see the person being okay with it themselves. I think they'd feel guilty, like they possible did something wrong, to deserve the "unnatural" feelings they're experiencing. There's a shitload of angst involved (maybe that's why I like slash so much—ha!). Can it ever work? Definitely. I believe ANYTHING can work so long as it is well-written. As far as characters go, I could see almost any of them as gay—with one exception, Darry. It's just ... REALLY hard for me to see that. I won't say it's not possible. If well-written, I could maybe see it, and then, only with Two-Bit. In my head, Two-Bit's the guy you could pair with anybody. Maybe that's why I see him as the most gay... haha. And why do you think people write Ponyboy as gay? I think a lot of that comes down to he's the protagonist in the story. Why do people write Harry Potter as gay? Same reason, he's the main character. (WOAH, long post :D) Edited by Allison, Apr 6 2010, 05:02 PM.
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