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| Lord Of Something | Jun 18 2010, 10:44:10 PM Post #1 |
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It is now Day 1. foolmoron King Baine GOD StuffGal DM Game & Watch Forever (AKA Alf) Ari Maeda It is 4 votes to lynch. Go! |
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| pxlated | Jun 18 2010, 11:01:54 PM Post #2 |
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allow me to start by saying ##Ari obv scum if i ever saw one |
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| foolmoron | Jun 18 2010, 11:03:53 PM Post #3 |
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What the hell kind of role mechanic is this? Anyways, I'm still confused about this place. Why are baine and pxl here? Why is the color scheme so bad? Let's play some maffs |
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| foolmoron | Jun 18 2010, 11:05:32 PM Post #4 |
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Wait that wasn't my role, that was Lord of Something's sig, wtf ~*LTG*~ Alright I'm good now |
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| pxlated | Jun 18 2010, 11:10:35 PM Post #5 |
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also fool, just for some clarity - don't edit your posts in mafia or you're modkilled. i think >_> this is a forum run by some of my friends in florida. if you want to change the colors of the forum, in the bottom left corner there's a drop box with a few different themes. it says " choose a theme" next to it. feel free to post in other areas of the board - there's a welcome topic somewhere in one of the first block of forums, i forget where. I'm sure one of the other guys can introduce this place better. |
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| foolmoron | Jun 18 2010, 11:19:35 PM Post #6 |
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Yeah I figured editting would be forbidden |
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| Game & Watch Forever | Jun 18 2010, 11:36:41 PM Post #7 |
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Vote DM Once a mafioso, always a mafioso, am I right?! |
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| Stuff Gal | Jun 18 2010, 11:37:24 PM Post #8 |
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@foolmoron: Yeah, theme choice is a little limited now, unfortunately. XD If you find a zetaboards theme you want, or want to make a suggestion for a general color scheme you want to see, go ahead and post a theme change request in the Suggestions area. XD Back onto the mafia topic... I'm totally accusing foolmoron here. >: ( Does anyone else remember that time Lily (aka Nina) was playing? And she totally acted lost but ended up being mafia? I'm not falling for that again. >: O |
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| foolmoron | Jun 19 2010, 12:26:24 AM Post #9 |
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What? I'm only lost because I've never used zetaboards and pxl approached me totally randomly about this game. In terms of mafia, my ass is like a cheese grater and I'm gonna wipe it with your face. I don't deny that the metagame you propose is wrong, though. Most every time there is a first timer playing mafia, they are scum. I am not a first timer though. |
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| Ari Maeda | Jun 19 2010, 07:25:44 AM Post #10 |
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Obvious mafia is obvious. Vote: Adam Also, I roleclaim James Bond w/ Severe Jawache. |
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| Ari Maeda | Jun 19 2010, 07:27:05 AM Post #11 |
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Also, what roles are we looking at? C7 roles? |
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| DM_Drone36 | Jun 19 2010, 07:54:01 AM Post #12 |
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If I recall, everyone's had a chance to be a mafia member by now. I think you're angry, you want to talk about it? I mean I did take you out in the first game so that'd be <some word> cause to want vengeance for your mafia #1 ghost.
So I think that answers a question quote/unquote but doesn't exactly clear my or anyone's name either. Also, to conclude, I vote: No Lynch It worked in the last run in townie favor (though I doubt seeing the results, mafia will not hesitate to kill someone). It's a numbers game, lose two or lose one. That night was lose none, 'cause I wanted everyone to have a chance to show what their colors were and play off that. BTW, if I'm fluffing again, I can't help it this time 'round so I'm not sorry. |
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Because by now, there is no surprise to the things I say/do. Therefore: xkcd comiks One, Two, Three school = thinking DM's fun != school >>>DM's fun != thinking QED Dark Metalist -> DM_Drone -> DM_Drone36 | |
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| Ari Maeda | Jun 19 2010, 08:05:00 AM Post #13 |
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To DM (and anyone else that would like to vote No Lynch): No Lynch is bad for the town. Lynching is the only power that town has against mafia. Mafia has a 0% chance of killing mafia so lynching is all we have. Do not no lynch, especially on day 1. There are a few occasions where no lynch is okay, one of those being when you have an even number of people and lynching would mean Lynch-Or-Lose. Another would be if you have a confirmed and named cop and a confirmed and unnamed doctor. We don't fall under either of those, so do not no lynch. |
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| King Baine | Jun 19 2010, 02:24:55 PM Post #14 |
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>_> when my sig on gamefaqs claims that I'm pxl's oldest internet friend, it doesn't lie. I got invited here for the same reason you did a couple of years back. too hungover to read these long posts I'll come back after my shower expect a DM vote because Alf brought up a good point. |
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| King Baine | Jun 19 2010, 05:49:02 PM Post #15 |
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he said he was pulling roles from my topic, so we're probably looking at 2 scum, 3 nillas, a cop, and a doctor. Maybe replace a nilla with a vig. Godfather is also a possibility. Ari's right that we shouldn't NL, but his reasoning was a little off...I didn't like the structure of the post in general, either. Felt like he was a little too adamant against not getting a kill today, especially for only one vote down for NL and several down for lynches. If I had to gut someone, it's Ari Vote: Ari Maeda |
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| DM_Drone36 | Jun 19 2010, 06:57:16 PM Post #16 |
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So eventually our threads start coalescing into a vote for someone somehow? Now I don't know what's more dangerous, the fallout from a No Lynch or the fallout from varied background votes. As stated, it doesn't look like what I'm doing is going to cascade a sudden swing, so I'll keep it until I have reason to change it. Target practice anyone? |
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Because by now, there is no surprise to the things I say/do. Therefore: xkcd comiks One, Two, Three school = thinking DM's fun != school >>>DM's fun != thinking QED Dark Metalist -> DM_Drone -> DM_Drone36 | |
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| Ari Maeda | Jun 19 2010, 07:51:40 PM Post #17 |
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My reasoning was a little off, Baine? How so? And I'm sorry if the timing bothered you. We're playing with a lot of less-experienced players here, and no lynch as an option really, really bugs me. I presume you've played with PotD before? I'd rather give my peace when I'm reminded of No Lynch than give it when we're one vote away from a hammer. |
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| Ari Maeda | Jun 19 2010, 07:57:13 PM Post #18 |
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These votes really don't go much of anywhere until we settle on one person to vote on, DM. It's just to get silly discussion going so we at least have something to start a real discussion on. Your No Lynch vote is probably not going to cascade into something serious, no. But the reasoning I typically hear for a NL is "We don't have any information yet." What, are we waiting on the cop to suddenly spring out and tell us who they scanned? If we don't have a doctor, that's not a smart idea. In general, we should always lynch every single day since no lynch not only brings about no discussion or pressure but is silly. No lynch is stupid, do not do it. |
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| pxlated | Jun 19 2010, 08:12:39 PM Post #19 |
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Oh, Fool, in case there are some names you don't recognize.... Game and Watch Forever is Alf (or Afl, as DM typo'd >_>). Ari Maeda is Jimmy or jgamekeepr, Stuff Gal is Daphne, or Gal. I'm Adam, pxl, or GOD, LoS could be Jason, and DM could be Phil. also, No Lynching isn't necessarily *bad* for town, but no lynching right away on day 1 isn't great. It's good to have a decent amount of discussion before any action, lynch or not. Relying on power roles to get us info is lazy and bad play. that said, Unvote: Ari. Waiting to hear more from the other players. |
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| DM_Drone36 | Jun 19 2010, 08:22:31 PM Post #20 |
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Oh, thanks for reminding me, I meant to apologize for doing that. Alf, I'm sorry, you don't have to unvote on me. That's me @ 7 in the AM, having gone to sleep at a reasonable hour, but still dizzy when waking up. Not as bad as a hangover, not that I'd know. . . Anyway the good of a No Lynch really isn't here, and I'm not planning on being Thor to bring down the hammer on a player. When it somehow becomes a tie between/among players and my vote counts in that sense, I'll change. Until then, I'm not vote flip-flopping. |
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| King Baine | Jun 19 2010, 09:09:15 PM Post #21 |
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What pxl said. There's nothing wrong with a thought out no lynch, and there are certainly more reasons to do so than the two you mentioned. The problem is when town no lynches without doing anything else.
Again, this just isn't true. NL is not to blame for a lack of discussion, a fast NL is. In this specific case we won't NL, because it doesn't gain us anything more than a slightly higher chance that the cop or doctor survives. 7 -> 6 and 7 -> 5 put us in essentially the same position, where we need to hit scum on day two. -that's- why we're not going to NL today, not because NL is inherently stupid. And what inexperienced players are you talking about? For NL to pass, it needs four votes.
If you're worried about inexperienced players voting NL, you can't be worried about NL passing. And by your own reasoning anyone with experience won't be jumping on NL any time soon. Honestly it still sounds like you're making shit up so that you look important enough not to lynch while pushing for the violent ending of some town member. And making it up over a topic that was a non-issue to begin with. I still think, with what limited information we have now, that you're mafia. I could go ranting about how town should be careful with hammering claimed cops because I'm worried that player-X might do so, but it would just be weird to do so now. I choose to trust town not to fuck things up instead. Yelling about NL being the devil right now is weird. |
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| foolmoron | Jun 19 2010, 09:51:49 PM Post #22 |
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I have had a very eventful day so I couldn't be here, but it seems like there is really no activity at all here so I didn't miss much (even though it's just a 7-player game, I would STILl expect more activity than this). Anyways, before I read anything, NL IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN WITH 7 PLAYERS. Hell, not even WIGS NLs on 7 |
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| foolmoron | Jun 19 2010, 10:07:15 PM Post #23 |
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Very scummy philosophy. No one would actually submit this logic as valid town logic. Of course it's a numbers game, but it's also a risk game. Lose two, with SOME chance of 1/2 being scum vs. Lose one, with ZERO chance of the 1 being scum If you're going with the second option, you are choosing the option of ZERO % SCUM DEATH. This is completely anti-town and scummy. Rethink yourself DM or you are lynched. NOTE: Ari said the same thing I did, feeling relatively better (though not actually good) about him
His reasoning is fine, he just didn't put it so clearly. Why are you grasping for straws with Ari? Why are you looking "so adamantly" for someone to lynch? That fact that Ari's post was badly worded and kind of "off" actually works in his favor for town, because it shows that he's not obsessively proofreading over his posts, making sure not to let any little scumtells out. He posts what he thinks, as he thinks it, and that is a huge towntell.
So you're going to coast through the day, not putting pressure on anyone, because you are afraid that you might act scummy and it might come back to bite you in the ass? And then you top it off by saying you will hammer, when your vote counts? Every vote counts. Every vote gives insight to the player and can be analyzed to determine whether they are town/scum. Scum already knows you are town if you are town, they won't benefit from towntells or scumtells. Town benefits from them, however, and if you're trying not to give any tells, you are anti-town. Vote: DM Alright, who hasn't spoken? GOD, Stuff, Alf (except for joke vote)? I want more from them. Very neutral on Baine and Pxl so far, but that's because I've played with them a lot before and I can't make sweeping generalizations about them from 1 or 2 posts like I can with Ari and DM. |
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| pxlated | Jun 19 2010, 10:41:59 PM Post #24 |
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foolmo, I'm GOD. this was my screenname here for a while. I included a list of nicknames you might not know in my previous posts. I'm getting some scum vibes from baine. Fool's right about him grasping at straws. The fact that he seems to really be trying to push for a lynch on Ari, after I'd voted him makes it a bit more suspicious. Maybe it's egotistical, but to me it kind of seems like he picked the guy I voted for cause we're good pals and I'd go along with it. I don't know if that makes sense but it does in my head. anyway, really need to hear more from alf and gal before I can start making decisions. My gut says baine, though. and I like my gut. |
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| foolmoron | Jun 20 2010, 12:38:19 AM Post #25 |
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oooh Ari is jgame |
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| King Baine | Jun 20 2010, 03:00:57 AM Post #26 |
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The way I see it someone had to grasp at something to get shit done around here. (oh god here comes the novel) ME: Day ones on boards are slow and awkward until someone picks somebody and goes for it. So that's what I do. I pick someone and go for it. I attack, which you folks can read into, Ari defends, which you guys can read into, and players are forced to talk about it, which we can all read into. I don't like the "joke votes" stage of a game, so I pushed us out of that. ARI: Anyway, it wasn't just poorly worded, it was incorrect and unnecessary. I stand by that. He's still my gut, as of the time of writing this. FOOL: Fool made a pretty good run through everything. I like him. He chose one of the weaker players as his target, which -could- be looking for an easy lynch, but I don't think he knew that going into it, and what he was saying was good protown stuff. With his level of experience it's harder to say from this that he is town, but that's what I'd say at this point. DM: "Coast through the day" is usually scummy, but that's also just how DM is. I wouldn't read too much into that itself. What bothers me more than that is that he brought up the odds of him being scum twice in a row...which is odd, even for DM, and seems a little paranoid. Alf might've prompted that though. He also used the same "lose two or lose one" line in the last game, IIRC, as scum. Not that I've seen him play town in a long long time (maybe ever?) so I don't really have much to go off of there. I wouldn't be against a DM lynch at this point. ALF: Alf's lack of activity bothers me a lot, actually. Especially since I know he's been on the computer for at least a few hours tonight. Might have been doing something more important, but in the dethy game he was pretty actively trying to be helpful and put things together. Here he's absent altogether. Might not mean anything, but it is a noticeable difference. I don't like Alf GAL: similar to Alf...but I feel like she's more lurky in general...so I've got no idea on her. PXL: is being egotistical, but that's not the point. he's been posting, but hasn't contributed anything substantial...really all he's done is clarify for fool, and "sum up" what other people have said (most notably fool's points against me), and state a gut. To me, this seems off, especially since he's one of the more active posters in the game. If I were to accuse -anyone- of coasting in this game, it's him. He's here, and not making "lol obvscum" mistakes, but not really doing anything at all. I do not like this more than I do not like things above this, especially because he's pxl and should know better. I think that's everyone...lots of finger pointing in there, whoops. As said by everyone else, we need more from Alf and Gal in particular (or even -anything- from Alf and Gal). I wouldn't be surprised if one of the lurkers are scum, that's relatively normal. But from who's here, I'm definitely picking up a lot more bad from pxl than anyone else. DM and Alf are "tied for second", but I don't have any more reason to vote for Ari over any of them anymore. Pxl is going to get off with a warning until everyone's spoken up, though. unvote Vote: Alf |
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| foolmoron | Jun 20 2010, 03:54:04 AM Post #27 |
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Good explanation to me I also like what Baine was saying about Pxl. He hasn't said much original so far, which is a lot scummier than what you would expect, because Pxl is pretty good at mafia. Gonna wait for more input from him and hopefully ALF, GAL, DM, etc. |
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| Ari Maeda | Jun 20 2010, 07:51:52 AM Post #28 |
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I want to hear more from our inactives (specifically, Alf and Gal). They're online at least once every day and they've said next to nothing worthwhile and didn't even peep yesterday. Jason, can you prod them? DM's looking like a good lynch first day, or one of the inactives if they don't speak up. Unvote |
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| Ari Maeda | Jun 20 2010, 08:19:54 AM Post #29 |
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We've had countless players in the past on SM that have pushed for NL. I've also played with countless other groups that NL. No, I don't think that we'll have a NL hammer early on, but we've got three people that could feasibly NL--that bothers me. I felt it should be known.
I don't think that 3/7ths of our current player base possibly thinking that leaving it at NL on day 1 is a "non-issue", as you put it.
You're comparing two completely different issues, Baine. No Lynch is something commonly seen amongst newer players, and I was just reminded of it when I read DM's post--am I not allowed to give out information? Talking about lynching claimed cops is quite a bit different and you have no such trigger with which to do so at this point. Two completely different issues. I don't think you're scum, but you're definitely picking a fight that shouldn't even exist. |
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| DM_Drone36 | Jun 20 2010, 08:56:13 AM Post #30 |
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I wouldn't count on anything useful from me. According to Baine, I'm usually full of fluff (all soft and cuddly). Sometimes I'm useful, but not directly.
It's easy to play the edging game when it comes to throwing bulls-eyes on players, but any vote towards any player counts (as I'm sure LoS is keeping track of). Whether the 'joke' votes lead to a lynch or other, players decide, coalesce. Taking it out of context? Sure. But supports, not necessarily proves my point.
A chance for me to say something useful merhaps? Those two are always at each others' throats, classic whenever you get them in the same game. Anyway, any original though from me? Not really, I can only comment on other's observations, one of the requirements of this game is discussion. I'll be back when I'm more awake, lest I make a s/p or 'analytical' err. |
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| Lord Of Something | Jun 20 2010, 01:18:18 PM Post #31 |
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Alf (Baine) DM (Foolmoron) No Lynch (DM) Let me know if I missed someone. It is 4 votes to lynch. |
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| Game & Watch Forever | Jun 20 2010, 01:37:48 PM Post #32 |
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>_> Anyone talking to me on AIM knows I've got TWO exams Tuesday and that I've been playing homework catch up. Baine is among said people, so shame on him for not rubbing his two enormous brain cells together and not drawing that conclusion. Anyway, I'm a bit crabby atm (in case it wasn't obvious) and the FB reminders aren't helping. This game started at a rather unfortunate time, but I'll keep up my end. In a few hours when I'm less likely to want to rip heads off. And I can read clearly. By the way, Jason, my vote for DM still exists. But now it doesn't. - unvote |
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| Lord Of Something | Jun 20 2010, 01:48:42 PM Post #33 |
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If anybody's wondering, I sent a Facebook message to Alf upon Ari's suggestion. Probably not a good idea, in retrospect. I also sent one to Stuff Gal, and I hope her reaction is less hostile.
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| Stuff Gal | Jun 20 2010, 02:06:41 PM Post #34 |
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I'm here! But not because of a FB reminder. Ever since my mom sent me a friend request, I've not signed onto that site at all >_> So... it's not really the best means of contacting me XD And sorry for not being around. I was online last night, but so damn sleepy that I forgot this topic exists. And I wasn't up very late anyway. And then I slept in like a champ. But I'm here now, so it's time to throw in my two cents! First, I'll talk about Jimmy a little bit. At some point during (or maybe it was after) the dethy game, he raised that same rant to me, personally. And he sounded really headstrong about it. I know it's metagaming, but I do want to bring up that it's nothing really unusual for him. So, I don't really find it suspicious. But hey... maybe he really is scum, and he brought that up and knew I'd defend him. I'm not really experienced, so I can't tell if he's doing a smart move there or not. And now I'll talk about me a little bit! Since you all seem to (rightfully) want that. I'm a mafia newb, so I don't know what scumtells or towntells typically are... and I can't tell you what my friends' tells are, either. But I will say that I'm cautious to throw a vote. I also don't like No Lynch on the first day, but in general, I don't like having any vote on the first day without more information. So I only vote once there's really some good info going, and I feel like I can back up my decision with something. Baine, Adam, and Foolmo seem way ahead of me, though... and they could probably write a doctoral paper on their decision before I can even pick my vote. XD So, yeah, I'll probably be slow compared to those three. v_v Also, as for playing times, I usually only make 1-2 general visits here per day. I'm also pretty busy this summer, so I may seem like a lurk... but I will try and throw something in here at least once a day. Oh yeah, and DM... as Baine said, and as DM himself likes to reassert... DM doesn't generally contribute something heavy to the game, since he doesn't accuse people. All he does is make his own personal observations. And this coasting-like behavior is something he does every game, no matter his alliance. This guy has got some amazing poker face. I don't know if I can ever pick out his tells. XD You should've seen him in our real-life mafia game. He was scum, and the game was down to three. It was between him and another player to convince the third of his deciding vote. DM claimed a completely made-up, BS role that pretty much was a copy of the doctor. And somehow, he convinced the third player that he was innocent. Smooth, DM. Real smooth. XD So I wouldn't say he's acting scummy in particular, but you can just never tell with him. XD |
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| DM_Drone36 | Jun 20 2010, 02:35:33 PM Post #35 |
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I loved real world mafia, lol. But don't put me up for a game of poker either. So that is input from out two 'lurking'/"I will kill you for asking" players, so where do we go from here? I thought I'd have another observation, but that may have to wait another day. Afternoon and evening engagements and what-what. |
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| King Baine | Jun 20 2010, 02:50:44 PM Post #36 |
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Mr. Insight
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Is that true? Huh, I didn't realize. Poor Ari might be my board version of Spiral. Anyway, it seems like everyone but fool is a few posts behind, so I'll let you folks catch up. I start the other job today, which is essentially evening/night and morning shifts sunday -> friday...I'll be more of an afternoon poster for the most part, not sure if I'll be able to be on at nights at all. Most of you probably noticed that I'm sharing much more of my thoughts than I did in dethy (I mean, it was dethy!), so with my "catch up, write a novel" play style not being on at the same time as most of you shouldn't be a problem. Just thought I'd let y'all know. in the mean time unvote I can't bring myself to vote for Adam on his birthday, so we'll see what he has to say by tomorrow. |
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| foolmoron | Jun 20 2010, 06:26:33 PM Post #37 |
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Hitchhiker
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Hm, very nice job spotting my contradiction. I'm gonna start watching out for you more than before.
Of course it's good to comment on observations, but you can't ONLY do that. Look at the player list: foolmoron King Baine GOD StuffGal DM Game & Watch Forever (AKA Alf) Ari Maeda Give us a run-down of what you think each of these players' standings are so far. It doesn't have to be detailed at all. You can just say "leaning town" or "leaning scum" for each. I'm sure you can handle that.
Wow, are you a woman or what? No one cares about what you're feeling right now, this ain't twitter! Post some content
I like how she says she is cautious with her vote, and gives a good explanation for it. It's also fair that she is intimidated and she admits that. Also, Gal, it's perfectly okay if you only check this topic once or twice a day, as long as each time you visit you read everything and make a big post like you just did detailing your opinions on all the players and their votes up to that point. That would make you already far more useful to town and a better mafia player than DM, aka Tree Stump. |
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| pxlated | Jun 20 2010, 09:08:55 PM Post #38 |
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YumYum
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Okay, now that I've got enough time to sit down and look at this, I will. to the finger-pointing at me: I talk a lot in AIM mafia, but I've not played a board game in probably two years. It's harder for me to get into. I'd suspected Baine as soon as he followed along on my Ari vote, but decided against saying something as I don't always like throwing my suspicions out there right away. I like to keep it to myself at times and see if the player makes more of the same "mistake". Once fool brought it up, I said fuck it. I've also been pretty busy since the topic *really* got going and haven't really posted since the early joke voting stage, so I think the argument that I'm "not contributing much" was a bit rushed. Nothing had really happened to the point of my last post to contribute about. Baine's talking a lot, which is pretty in character. He's a big contributor, which is nice. I wont go so far as to say I'm sure he's scum, but my gut is still leaning that way, and as I said before I like to trust my gut. I feel like, when I've seen Baine jump on whoever I had lynched early, he's ended up being scum. I can't think of specific examples of this but when I saw that, it triggered a red flag in my mind. I also like to think I've got good reads on baine most the time. Foolmo's talking a lot, and his logic is sound. I like how he handled his dissatisfaction with Ari's No Lynch argument. I'm getting town vibes from foolmo. Everything he's saying clicks with what I expect from town fool. I also really like his last post. As I said, everything he is saying is exactly what I expect from fool as town. He'll offer everything that is on his mind, and when people bring up other good points, even if they're against him, he will recognize them and accept their possibility. I'm not sure how I feel about Gal. I was scum with her once, but I can't quite remember how she handled it. I've not seen enough from her yet to get a good grasp on her position. Her post doesn't really read as too scummy, though. I get an "unsure of how to proceed town" vibe from her. DM always makes me think he's scum. I guess that's just inherent in his play style. He says a whole lot of nothing, and in ways that confuse me. I remember reading the dethy game and just having no clue what the bulk of what he said meant. That said, I think I've understood everything he's said so far, which is a good sign. He was scum in dethy, and I can see how that would lead to confusing speech by him - he wasn't sure what to say or how to say it himself. Jimmy...hasn't done much. He's defending himself against fool and Baine, and he argued against the No lynch. other than that, nothing. Need some more input on him. Same thing with Alf. I do know he was busy with homework all last night, and I wont hold that against him. I think I need to here more from him than I do anyone else. The fact that baine didn't vote for me...Again, this sticks out to me. I really think town baine would have voted for me there. Even though I think the argument against me was a bit early, I feel baine would take the opportunity to vote and put more pressure on me. Something about baine's play here is just really raising flags. He's posting a lot, and contributing a lot, which is great, but I think he does that regardless of alignment. At least, I think he would here in a board game. But he's being a bit overly aggressive. He says this is because, well, someone has to, but he's snarling a bit too much for my taste. And then to be aggressive but not vote for me, the player it seems he most suspects, this confuses me. sorry if i'm talking in circles. VOTE: Baine |
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| foolmoron | Jun 21 2010, 12:07:28 AM Post #39 |
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What? I agreed with Ari's NL argument since it's exactly what I was thinking-- wait, I just reread my previous posts and I see what you were referring to. Just to be clear, I have no dissatisfaction with Ari's NL argument. Baine is the one that thinks it's weird/incorrect. |
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| Ari Maeda | Jun 21 2010, 12:36:41 AM Post #40 |
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YOU SCARED THE DICK OFF ME
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All right. Here's the TL;DR: foolmoron - Leaning town King Baine - Leaning town GOD - Leaning....maybe mafia? StuffGal - Not enough info DM - Leaning mafia Game & Watch Forever - Not enough info Ari Maeda - Leaning on your mom None of the following are quotes.
If I had to guess now, I'd say that Adam and DM are scum. Yes, I'm really, really against no lynch. I've played with a lot of people where it's not only common, but the norm. It's really irritating to see a game begin with absolutely no votes and instead it's a short discussion before NL. We've played a handful of games with this group and No Lynch was a pretty common idea then. I really wanted to get my thoughts out there and make sure that said scenario wouldn't happen. |
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| Lord Of Something | Jun 21 2010, 12:37:53 AM Post #41 |
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Tinfoil Duuuuuuuuuude
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Baine (pxl) Alf (Alf) DM (Foolmoron) No Lynch (DM) Let me know if I missed one. It is 4 votes to lynch. (I'm doing these updates once per calendar day.) |
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| Lord Of Something | Jun 21 2010, 12:43:15 AM Post #42 |
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Tinfoil Duuuuuuuuuude
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Double post: I SUCK COCKS Baine's vote was on Alf, but I missed Baine's unvote it when I checked. Alf has 0 votes. |
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| foolmoron | Jun 21 2010, 01:00:39 AM Post #43 |
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In a sense, but then I'm also a big target for mafia to nightkill, so I dunno. I wouldn't be surprised at a Pxl/DM scumteam but then nor would I be at a Pxl/Ari scumteam or even crazier, a DM/Gal scumteam, with Alf as SK |
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| pxlated | Jun 21 2010, 01:09:20 AM Post #44 |
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YumYum
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i'm really surprised so many people think i'm scum! Well, actually, I'm not. Everybody think's I'm scum in board 8 mafia. But, this is a little different. After Jimmy's post, I'm getting some major scumvibes. He defends himself about the no lynch thing again, when the issue has died out. Feel's a bit like scum paranoia. Unvote: Baine Vote: Ari in before people accuse me of jumping around |
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| Game & Watch Forever | Jun 21 2010, 02:35:16 AM Post #45 |
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Saving you from RoboSatan since 2004
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I'm back. Sorry for PMSing all over this topic earlier. >_>;; I try not to do that too often. As promised, I am here. I've read over everything and here's how I feel about everyone: fool: First off, welcome to the forum. I can tell by your reaction to my previous post that we're gonna be best friends. ^_^ All jokes aside. . . he strikes me as town, plain and simple. His interactions with everyone, most notably DM, just gives me that town vibe that he's patiently trying to get info out of people so we have something to work with. Baine: I remember when he and I last played a non-Dethy game. He drilled me pretty hard and it turned out we were both town. Now it's him and Jimmy, which I would say is cool except. . . I dunno. Something doesn't seem right about this. Maybe it's because he seems less focused than usual. Like he said, he pointed a lot of fingers. Like he's not sure who to try to trick us into lynching. Maybe he's just naturally wary of all of us, but I really am not so sure that's how Baine would normally act as town. Leaning scum. Adam/pxl: It's been too long since I played a game with Adam to remember how he played at all. I'm not really feeling anything from him one way or the other. On the one hand, he could be trying to be useful, but on the other, I can't shake the feeling that he might be sticking a bulls-eye on someone else's back. Maybe it's just the jump between Baine and Jimmy, which in a way I do admit is understandable, especially considering my own feelings about the two of them. I'd have to hear more before leaning either way with him. Gal/Daphne: I can't remember the difference between town and scum Daph, so I just have to stick with the "cautions/unsure townie" vibe people are getting. It really doesn't mean much until I hear more out of her though. DM: DM is DM. You can't play by the same rules when you look to see whether he's scum. Last game was unfortunate for him since he was alone and stuck trying to figure out how to behave in what is effectively one big logic puzzle (I mean Dethy, of course). Now, he can potentially have a partner in crime to defend his actions as just him being himself. If there's a wildcard in this, it's him. Though this time, I feel he leans town. Alf: I hate this kid. Nothing but trouble. In all honesty, the next couple days are gonna be a bitch for me. But I'll try to post once a day until then. Jimmy: Despite my distrust with Baine at this point, I have to agree a little with the NL argument sounding odd. It's not even the timing that bothers me. It's the fact that he worries other people will NL just because some of us are less experienced than others. Like I said, DM plays by slightly different rules. I'm not going to get suspicious if you try to "correct" his behavior if you find it unusual or bad play. And then of course, everyone aside from me and Gal have played plenty of mafia games on AIM to know better than go the early NL on day 1 route. But seriously? Gal and I have taken the "Mafia 101" class. Plenty of newbs see the NL on day 1 as appealing and go for it, but then are corrected by the more experienced. DM seriously seemed like an isolated case and acting as if anyone else would follow along is a little strange to me. Note that I said "a little." Baine seemed to go overboard. But now that Jimmy won't let the argument go. . . I'm not sure what to think. Especially since I can't say he's doing much else for the town. And that's what I have so far. Hopefully not too many typos in there. I'll be back tomorrow sometime to say more stuff. |
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| Ari Maeda | Jun 21 2010, 08:23:57 AM Post #46 |
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YOU SCARED THE DICK OFF ME
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Died out? Between that post and the last post I had given my feelings on NL were mentioned three times by three different people. If that makes an argument dead, then what the hell makes an argument alive, then? Must it be the focal point of absolutely everyone's posts in order to discuss it?
You know what? We haven't played mafia in....how long? Two years?
Surprise! That's what I did, and suddenly Baine and Adam both jump on me for being "paranoid" and "defensive". I really fail to see what I said that really set the both of them off. |
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| Ari Maeda | Jun 21 2010, 08:24:59 AM Post #47 |
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^^ The bottommost quote comes from Alf, not DM. |
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| DM_Drone36 | Jun 21 2010, 11:18:41 AM Post #48 |
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Fur-ever Timer
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Sorry, English is my second language, DM-ese is my first. I ought to start out with myself: those who've been known to play with me say I'm messed up in the head, those who haven't say my behavior is suspicious. This does nothing to help/harm other players, so I'll keep it short. I don't play thinking games well, so it's often that I end up looking like a lost sheep in a field of wolves. I know it's suicide/target practice for anyone who claims "tree stump" so I try to be helpful. A lot of times what I say is nothing, but I say it anyway on the chance that someone else thinks: "His observation makes sense; I have a similar thought. I will bring it up." From there I pick up how other people argue, gain experience, and become more useful in subsequent games. On foolmo: In the latest post, I don't see why he'd be a big target for a nightkill. He hasn't done much to threaten the mafia members. In fact with him on me, it makes their job easier, one less player to take care of. As an experienced mafia participant, he can go either way, but I lean for him to be mafia for: fixation on 'newbie' player as mafia, limited 'useful/nice' feedback on Gal/Alf after asking for their input, and almost "tree stump" behavior compared to experienced players, Baine and pxlated, posts. On Gal: Her only post, from when I pulled open and kept open the topic, explained everyone's behavior, short of Alf's. I wouldn't worry too much about her being mafia, despite the lurker attachment. She'll only cast a vote only when the info looks right, so any mafia hammer action doesn't look likely. I lean towards town on her. On Baine: Always the writer of novels and a bone to pick to have conversation, I don't see anything out of the ordinary from him. Even if he is mafia, he's one of the players that keep the topic live. Sure, if he's playing us, we're doomed. But maybe save him to the end to at the very least keep things interesting. For now, marginal townie. On Alf: He's busy, that's a fact. Whether townie or mafia, an undetermined. Roles are still assigned randomly and really anything can be played, even with a lull. He gave good info and if we try to lynch him he might go "Fine, do whatever. I'm busy and you'll find out who I am afterwards." That's the thing, without much to go on (other than player analysis), I can't lean on him either way. On Ari: Correcting me on NL before we had a cascade of votes to do that. If it weren't for Gal, I'd suspect him of mafia-like behavior and playing the numbers game. He's having to defend himself against Baine and pxlated all on the one instance of the NL incident. I'm not sure why the other two won't let the issue drop, but it's a point of discussion and/or one of may be mafia. They could be playing a delicate dance of the blame game, but Ari's just sticking to his position. Unless it's a dance, I see him as leaning townie. On pxlated: This NL discussion provides a lot of insight into him. First it was a joke vote for Ari, then agreement with the NL ideal to unvote, a gut following to go with Baine, then a revote for Ari after bringing up the NL topic. Following his gut or rereading posts, the same discussion that brought him to vote/unvote on Ari seems to be contradictory reasoning. Odd for an experienced player. Therefore I lean to pxlated for mafia. And to end this quarrel, because I'm looking to a few to vote on. Unvote |
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| King Baine | Jun 21 2010, 11:43:50 AM Post #49 |
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Let me open by saying I am paranoid about Adam and Fool. They're honestly the two stronger players here, and that makes them more dangerous scum. Still, I think Fool is town, and while paranoia means it wouldn't take more than a couple of slip ups to change my mind, he's almost definitely not a lynch target. Adam though, I'm still not so sure on. That out of the way, let's take a look at all of this good discussion!
I didn't vote for you because you hadn't taken a chance to defend yourself yet. I thought about it, but now that we've got things rolling there wasn't much of a need to rush through things. Everyone understood, I would hope, that you were my "new suspect" and with fool agreeing with me there wasn't a chance of you ignoring it. Until you had your say, a vote wasn't necessary.
three different people mentioned the argument. They did not, however, continue it. It died when I dropped you to move to Adam and Alf. Still being used as a reference, because shit happened and that's worth talking about, but the actual NL argument is over. There are more important things going on now, which you don't seem to fully interested in because of the NL thing. It really feels like you're hesitant to move on to the new issues, which I don't like.
I just wanted to say that I loved the way you phrased that. I was satisfied with this post, and I'd lean toward an Alf = town. Gal's post sounded too honest to be scum. Not that this means she's definitely town, just that she's not nearly at the top of my list. Oh, and this stuck out to me a bit:
here he's not only having a go at my alignment, but at my role. I don't like this...in my mind the only people who should be making a distinction further than "good or bad" are the mafia. Probably harmless, but that he's thinking in terms of specific roles rather than alignment worries me.
Disregarding that last bit (although DM/Gal is certainly possible...), I agree...and I would definitely be up for either a Pxl or Ari lynch. Out of the two not crazy options, pxl is on both of them...and that what I'm currently considering an "obvtown" fool agrees with me makes me feel a lot better about my suspicions against pxl. Although, his big post was certainly "better" it still felt kind of like he was scum trying to save face. Also, "lol countervote" except shit I never did put that vote down, did I? Drat. vote: pxl I'm putting that vote down, but if there's a huge pxl train I'll get upset. I want to hear from Gal one more time. Specifically her thoughts on things Adam and Ari's recent posts. Her last post was too general, and while I didn't find that particularly scummy it wasn't very helpful. Use quotes. Don't worry about making the right choice, just go with your gut and try to put it in words. "this rubbed me the wrong way, I don't really know why" is fine too. errr....when I hit add reply to check my quote syntax in preview (I had been typing in the quick reply for easier referencing) I saw DM's post. I'm glad to see him coming out of his shell and making observations...that he would pick out fool as scum is a little odd. I see pxl and ari as bigger targets, but DM is definitely in the mix of people I'm currently interested in lynching. Still want to hear from Gal. |
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| King Baine | Jun 21 2010, 11:52:48 AM Post #50 |
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What I meant in that last paragraph, while poorly articulated, is that DM seems a little too defensive against foolmo in particular, especially with others stating that he may be scum too.
That you think you're town is inherently true, pointing it out sounds paranoid. Again, Pxl and Ari are my main concerns. But DM is still above the rest of you. |
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