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What do you think about politic?; What do you think?
Topic Started: Sep 18 2009, 06:27 AM (1,228 Views)
CavalierCuddles
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Velken
Sep 18 2009, 03:58 PM
I don't like Capitalisim simply because it puts a select few above everyone else. No one is better than anyone...I don't like Monarcy (or in this case Constitutional Monarchy) because like Cavi pointed out it's a form of capitalisim in it's own right. Plus I believe the Royal Family of Britan is corrupted just like the US government.

Communisim/Socialisim is the only form of government I feel is the true future.
I agree, however, as long a monarch remains there will be a class system and exploitation going on,
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Gulan


the problem with any government, whether communist, capitalist, monarchy, transitory, rebel etc. is that it is lead by a select few and the decisions and actions of a whole nation are dictated by them. admittedly, this few i elected by the people (except in onarchys, nobody chooses their queen/king), yet when in power propaganda is used to close the eyes of the masses and exclude them from any form of decision making. i find thatthe only true, fair and humane ideology is marxist, but for those who believe communism to be the future, have in mind that corruption is a factor that will only become more and more present in the world, the stakes will only get higher. a rule of the people on the other hand is idealy impossible as for everyone to pass judgement on a matter he or she must be completely and totally informed about the subject, again, infomation can be very deceptive especially if it is not first-hand info, second: how todecide who is competent tomake state decisions?? no to include everone would again not be fair... and the possible problems only multiply from here. :facepalm

“The oppressed are allowed once every few years to decide which particular representatives of the oppressing class are to represent and repress them.” - Karl Marx
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Lyuben
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Gulan
Sep 23 2009, 04:15 PM
the problem with any government, whether communist, capitalist, monarchy, transitory, rebel etc. is that it is lead by a select few and the decisions and actions of a whole nation are dictated by them. admittedly, this few i elected by the people (except in onarchys, nobody chooses their queen/king), yet when in power propaganda is used to close the eyes of the masses and exclude them from any form of decision making. i find thatthe only true, fair and humane ideology is marxist, but for those who believe communism to be the future, have in mind that corruption is a factor that will only become more and more present in the world, the stakes will only get higher. a rule of the people on the other hand is idealy impossible as for everyone to pass judgement on a matter he or she must be completely and totally informed about the subject, again, infomation can be very deceptive especially if it is not first-hand info, second: how todecide who is competent tomake state decisions?? no to include everone would again not be fair... and the possible problems only multiply from here. :facepalm

“The oppressed are allowed once every few years to decide which particular representatives of the oppressing class are to represent and repress them.” - Karl Marx
beautiful :'(
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InsaneMonster
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So, Italy is a republic, but it's corrupted, its premier thinks to be a King and Italian people is stupid and vote him...
Our corrupeted government make mistakes laws and proctect organized criminals...
US and British and ALL government in all World are not corrupted like Italian...
I Believe in Socialism and Militarism, but surly Soviet Empire fall because they have made too much mistakes in the past...
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Lyuben
Sep 24 2009, 08:44 AM
beautiful :'(
thx lyuben :)))

you cannot claim that one government is more or less corrupt than another, the fact is that country's as large as the US an GB etc. are better at keeping leakages of info about their corruption as they have more to lose than any other country, if i started to talk to you about how corrupt my country (serbia) is, i don't know how much of it you would believe. the reason fro the USSR's falling apart is not only because of past "mistakes" it is more the fact that certain people wanted to gain political power by exploiting mass dissatisfaction with stalins regime... the only mistake stalin made was to impose communism, instead of just lettng it flow the way lenin left it, he started off too strong and it seemed to have let it get to his head, he was nonetheless a phenomenal leader, if a bit too strict... communism is something that the whole nation excepts, not something imposed as this fundementally contradicts the base of pure communism
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Ray Matveyev
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I'm a democratic socialist, but have been tending to lean a little more left, almost libertarian socialist. I heavily support the Ejerico Zapatista de Liberacion Nacional movement in Mexico and support their ideals for governance and lifestyle. I'm an anti-Stalinist (or Marxist-Leninist for you Stalinists) and don't generally support any Leninist or Maoist movements. Those ideals and movements themselves are relevant to that geopolitical atmosphere and those socioeconomic conditions. What Mao wanted for rural China is different than what he'd want for Bolivia or Nepal. "Professional revolutionaries" and a "vanguard party" creates a socio-political upper class and a monopolitical dictatorship of the country. Multiparty rule is crucial to the survival of liberty and democracy.

I have Marxist tendencies though, I'm anti-capitalist and have some Trotskyist tendencies too (with the concepts of "degenerated workers' states" and that being applied to the Soviet state), and so are sympathetic to some (but not all!) communist movements. Still have much to learn at a young age :)
Edited by Ray Matveyev, Sep 24 2009, 09:24 PM.
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InsaneMonster
Sep 24 2009, 11:33 AM
US and British and ALL government in all World are not corrupted like Italian...
I'm italian too. I think that Berlusconi is not just a corrupted politic, but a sort of dictator...
He owns the media and political power at the same time, and this is dangerous for us
I don't believe in democracy, nor in fascism. I like socialism (Proudhon socialism, not the soviet one), but I think that the most important problem is the man himself.
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nchatzi
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Socialism+Direct Democracy(uncient athens style).
Modern electronic means can bring us closer to direct democracy, but politicians want to keep us away...
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Fimbulvetr
Sep 25 2009, 12:00 AM
InsaneMonster
Sep 24 2009, 11:33 AM
US and British and ALL government in all World are not corrupted like Italian...
I'm italian too. I think that Berlusconi is not just a corrupted politic, but a sort of dictator...
He owns the media and political power at the same time, and this is dangerous for us
I don't believe in democracy, nor in fascism. I like socialism (Proudhon socialism, not the soviet one), but I think that the most important problem is the man himself.
The Problem is stupid Italy that vote him...


You have to understand, that Soviet Union as Only communist country cannot exist if you left to the people the choose of government...
So, the problem of unhappies in Soviet Union came from the ancient mistakes of Agricultural Politics that made Soviet Empire not self indipendent from other nations...
After that, I don't like Stali, but I like socialism as not freedom politics, but as politic equality and gustice. I think mankind is not intelligent and expert il live to be free...
Glory to Militarism and to the Soviet System, however it had too much problem...
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Ray Matveyev
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nchatzi
Sep 25 2009, 03:59 AM
Socialism+Direct Democracy(uncient athens style).
Modern electronic means can bring us closer to direct democracy, but politicians want to keep us away...
So have only landowning males over the age of 20 be allowed to vote?
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