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Part Numbering; standards on the X: values
Topic Started: Jun 21 2015, 06:55 AM (555 Views)
Falibrand

With new instruements now in game, and 2 more to come later this year (hopefully), I think we need to revisit the numbering scheme.

This is the current version:
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1-9 DRUM (all drum files are in this number range) - Any beyond 9 parts, 100-109
11-19 LUTE (all lute files are in this number range) - Any beyond 9 parts, 110-119
21-29 HARP (all harp files are in this number range) - Any beyond 9 parts, 220-229
31-39 THEORBO (all theorbo files are in this number range) - Any beyond 9 parts, 330-339
41-49 BAGPIPES (all bagpipe files are in this number range) - Any beyond 9 parts, 440-449
51-59 FLUTE (all flute files are in this number range) - Any beyond 9 parts, 550-559
61-69 HORN (all horn files are in this number range) - Any beyond 9 parts, 660-669
71-79 CLARINET (all clarinet files are in this number range) - Any beyond 9 parts, 770-779
81-89 COWBELL (all cowbell files are in this number range) - Any beyond 9 parts, 880-889
91-99 PIBGORN (all pibgorn files are in this number range) - Any beyond 9 parts, 990-999


I'd like to tweak it slightly. Variants (either by sound or type) of an existing instrument would be 100 more than the last version of the instrument. So, the new Misty Mountain Harp would be 121-129 (since the current harp is 21-29). I also suggest for cases where a NEW instrument is given the pre update 16 sounds of an older instrument, that it replace the original.
So, for what we now have in game:
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1-9 DRUM - Any beyond 9 parts, 1001-1009
11-19 LUTE OF AGES (the pre-16 lute sounds are on this) - Any beyond 9 parts, 1010-1019
111-119 LUTE (the new lute sounds are on this) - Any beyond 9 parts, 1110-1119
21-29 HARP (including Gleowine's harp) - Any beyond 9 parts, 1020-1029
121-129 MISTY MOUNTAINS HARP - Any beyond 9 parts, 1120-1129
31-39 THEORBO (all theorbo files are in this number range) - Any beyond 9 parts, 1030-1039
41-49 BAGPIPES (all bagpipe files are in this number range) - Any beyond 9 parts, 1040-1049
141-149: PIBGORN (this is based on sound alone--it sounds most like a bagpipe currently) - Any beyond 9 parts, 1140-1149
51-59 FLUTE (all flute files are in this number range) - Any beyond 9 parts, 1050-1059
61-69 HORN (all horn files are in this number range) - Any beyond 9 parts, 1060-1069
71-79 CLARINET (all clarinet files are in this number range) - Any beyond 9 parts, 1070-1079
81-89 COWBELL (including Moor Cowbell) - Any beyond 9 parts, 1080-1089


I've made the Pibgorn a variant of the bagpipe here for convenience, as I envision using the 91-99 range for the new bowed instrument(s). Serpent would be a horn variant, and therefore 161-169. The new lute, lute of Ages, has taken the spot used by the old lute, as it retains the old lute sound. That means if that's the sound you want, no renumbering of parts!!

Comments? Questions? Suggestions?
Edited by Falibrand, Jun 24 2015, 06:04 AM.
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Tirigifu
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Seems good to me--I'd just need to renumber some pibgorn parts that are currently 91-99 range. Carndan would have more renumbering to do than I, and maybe Fincin too?
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Falibrand

I know Fincin is only using Lute of Ages, so having it replace the lute lute in the 11-19 should save him a lot of work there.
Of all the instruments, I figured Pibgorn was the least used, and as something would have to be bumped out of the 1-99 range, I figured it would have the lowest impact in being moved.
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Durinsbane

Are you counting Misty Mountain Harp as Gleowine's harp?
A bit confused, nothing new for me...:)
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Falibrand

Nope. I forgot to include the new harp. It would be 1021-1029 (original harp sounds are still on HARP, and Gleowine's harp has those sounds as well).
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Fincin
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I've got my piggy set at 91-99
As for lute and harp, kept them the same and just added either [Lute] *new lute or [Harp] *MMH
I figure Lute of Ages is [Lute] since its always been that way. However, I will go along with whatever the community decides as long as it doesn't require me too much work on my songs.
If it were up to me, I would say put the piggy out of the ranges completely, toss it far far away, and bury it. However I know others seem to like it so I'm good with how you want to do it. This list actually looks pretty good to me since I think I will only have one or two songs affected by the changes being that is all the more times I have ever used the pibgorn. I've not used the new lute or new harp at all yet.
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Falibrand

The new harp has a dulcimer sort of sound that also works well as a replacement for Asian plucked instruments, such as the koto. I'm playing around with what combo of the 4 plucked treble instruments to use in bluegrass arrangements now, so that the breaks will all sound different.
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I cannot say others will do it the same as me, but since Digero made it so that Lute registers as Lute of Ages and Basic Lute as the new lute sound that was included in the update a while back, I will be labeling my new songs as such:
X:11 [Lute]
X: 111 [Basic Lute]
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Falibrand

Yup--that's how I assigned the instruments. 11 is the Lute of Ages and 111 is just lute.
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Jul 2 2015, 05:30 AM
Yup--that's how I assigned the instruments. 11 is the Lute of Ages and 111 is just lute.
My point is, abc player will see just Lute....as Lute of ages. No reason to label it lute of ages. [Lute] instead of [Lute of Ages]
Basic lute is [Basic Lute] which is that terrible thing they gave us in the update that made of cry for our old lute back.
Instead of going back and editing all my files from the past that need the lute of ages, I can leave them be since X: 11 [Lute] is Lute of Ages in abc player.
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Falibrand

I understand, but when one equips the instrument, you need to know which lute to equip.
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Yes, but what I'm trying to say, is you don't have to put it down as lute of ages in your file, you can just put lute, and for that new thing they are calling a lute that still needs much work, call it basic lute in the file. That keeps any old files that are still playable and were based on the old lute (lute of ages) from having to be re edited.
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Falibrand

Right--just be sure that folks remember which one is 11-19 and which one is 111-119. Some files may use both.
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Yup, will take a bit of getting accustomed to that to be sure. But for me [Basic Lute] stands out like a sore thumb.
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Falibrand

If they can remove the clicking sound, then it becomes a very nice banjo. :)
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Carndan

I disagree with renumbering pibgorn parts, since we've already a huge number of songs that use this (and not as a bagpipe). Since there is currently no other instrument 91-99, there is no reason to renumber it. The lute and harp renumberings sound good (since this assigns the higher numbers to the more rarely used versions).
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I would agree with the pibgorn numbering 91-99
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btw, last I heard from Frelorn on twitch, they are done working on the music system so we may not get the new instruments...
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Added the new Student Fiddle to files for the first time today! Yay!!

I suggest giving the new fiddles the 101-109 numbering slot. I had to choose something for these new files, so that's what I used. But it should be discussed and agreed upon for this (and also EMS') Songbook soon, before we go too crazy with updates.

As I update my own songs, and the music of Theudebert/Englebert, Dalleamhadd, and other former EMS members who no longer play the game, I will be giving the files the annotation of "MU22" (Music Update 22) to indicate that fiddles have been given parts, either replacing parts or adding optional fiddle parts. Otherwise the annotation "MU161" (Music Update 16.1) means it is tested and good to play as-is but doesn't have fiddles added. I just finished a whole bunch of them for the next concert (Thursday March 9th at 11:30 pm server time on Landy) if you'd like to hear them!
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Falibrand

We'll need to potentially accommodate the additional fiddle types as well, but for now 101-109 works for me.
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We probably don't need to do anything more than name the specific fiddle needed for the part. The numbering can remain the same. We do this already for the Lutes, Harps and Cowbells. With 4 different Fiddles, however, there may be the need to have more than 9 in a single song! If that happens the instrument number (10 in the case of Fiddle) can be appended with an ordinal number beyond the 9th like so:

101: Fiddle (10): first (1)
102: Fiddle (10): second (2)
103: Fiddle (10): third (3)
....
109: Fiddle (10): ninth (9)
1010: Fiddle (10): tenth (10)
1011: Fiddle (10): eleventh (11)
etc.

A list of parts in a 10 fiddle song might look like this:

X: 101
T: Violin Concerto [St Fiddle 1](5:32)

X: 102
T: Violin Concerto [St Fiddle 2](5:32)

X: 103
T: Violin Concerto [Spr Fiddle 1](5:32)

X: 104
T: Violin Concerto [Spr Fiddle 2](5:32)

X: 105
T: Violin Concerto [Spr Fiddle 3](5:32)

X: 106
T: Violin Concerto [Spr Fiddle 4](5:32)

X: 107
T: Violin Concerto [LM Fiddle 1](5:32)

X:108
T: Violin Concerto [LM Fiddle 2](5:32)

X: 109
T: Violin Concerto [LM Fiddle 3](5:32)

X: 1010
T: Violin Concerto [TT Fiddle](5:32)
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I just realized I have been using 101-109 for Moor Cowbell, but that is only on a few songs. I think others in GHMS have been treating the Moor Cowbell as a 81-89 series instrument. Is that right?
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That's what I've been doing, yes, because it's a separate instrument with its own iterations. When Pibgorn came along it took the 91-99 slot.
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After viewing the current list at top I see that Fali has already introduced a different numbering system which is incompatible with the one I've been using. I don't want to just take over what has been established already by GHMS, especially since I am here only as an assistant mostly to update old EMS music. So I will leave the list as is, but I will be using the following simplified method. Note that the actual number assigned to Drums is zero, but we did not establish the habit of adding a leading zero to its number, I think because there was uncertainty about whether zero would be accepted by the music system in game. It has since been established that you can indeed use zero alone or in front of other numbers in part assignments, but the precedent to leave off the zero was set. So imagine a zero in front of the usual drum numbers and its subsequent numbers make a bit more sense. The part numbers should be read as "instrument"+"part" such as 22 is "Harp Two" and 44 is "Bagpipe Four", therefore 212 is "Harp Twelve" and 411 is "Bagpipe Eleven".

1-9 Drums [more: 010, 011, 012, etc.]
11-19 Lutes (Lute of Ages, Basic Lute) [more: 110, 111, 112, etc.]
21-29 Harps (Harp, Misty Mountain Harp) [more: 210, 211, 212, etc.]
31-39 Theorbo [more: 310, 311, 312, etc.]
41-49 Bagpipe [more: 410, 411, 412, etc.]
51-59 Flute [more: 510, 511, 512, etc.]
61-69 Horn [more: 610, 611, 612, etc.]
71-79 Clarinet [more: 710, 711, 712, etc.]
81-89 Cowbells (Cowbell, Moor Cowbell) [more: 810, 811, 812, etc.]
91-99 Pibgorn [more: 910, 911, 912, etc.]
101- 109 Fiddles (Student, Lonely Mountain, Spritely, Trusty Traveller's) [more: 1010, 1011, 1012, etc.]
[111-119 can't be used because it duplicates the extension of Lute's numbers]
121-129 NEXT instrument ;)

This system works as long as the people playing are using one of the Songbook plugins which display both the part number and the instrument name. The only confusing part of having all the fiddles (or lutes, harps, or bells) together on one number is knowing which of the fiddles should be used if the player does not have Songbook. In such a case, the director will need to assign not only a part number to the player but also tell them which of the fiddles (lutes, harps, or cowbells) should be used. Anyone directing the groups or leading a concert should have at least the regular version of Songbook, but preferably the BB Songbook plugin.

My personal opinion is that my simplified method of numbering is easier to remember and allows for more instruments to be added in logical progression of numbers. But I recommend that GHMS members decide which method will be the official standard for this website and that a mod from the group edit the first post AND add a new post to make sure others see that there has been an edit. If Fali's method is officially adopted then I will begin copy/pasting old EMS music posts to bring them into the EMS songbook so that you can have a unified system for GHMS (this would apply to music by Theudebert, Dalleamhadd, and me). I'm fine with whatever GHMS decides to do. :)
Edited by Diamond, Mar 17 2018, 07:24 PM.
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keli

For what it's worth, the numbering proposed by Diamond is the same as I use for the Lonely Mountain Band Songbook. i.e. all fiddles are placed in 101-109
Edited by keli, Mar 26 2018, 08:39 AM.
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