Multiple versions of the same song--Not a problem, right?

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Multiple versions of the same song--Not a problem, right?
Topic Started: Jan 17 2011, 09:42 AM (488 Views)
Tirigifu	Jan 17 2011, 09:42 AM Post #1
Tirigifu "Catfish" Posts: 1,212 Group: Global Moderators Member #74 Joined: Dec 25, 2008	gets on a soapbox Some arrangers have mentioned that they stopped work on songs because they saw that someone else was doing them. I'd like to suggest that you keep working on your own arrangements because people bring different sets of ears to the same project or even the same midi. Maybe working on the same midi might result in two very similar songs, but I think the process of arranging is so important that worries about similar-sounding products of arranging should be put aside as much as possible. I've never seen anyone who uses this site get offended because someone posted an arrangement that sounded too similar to his or her own, or get offended because someone posted a version of a piece he or she had already arranged, as though the first one posted had problems or anything. So far we've all been gracious to each other and I don't see that changing. It's not rude to post another version. Don't squelch your creativity! Keep cranking your own versions out and get them into testing! Now if a bandleader sees a dozen arrangements of the same song posted for one group in one week, maybe spreading them out would be in order, but what are the chances... And don't get any April Fool's Day ideas from that! scolds so hard he falls off the soapbox



Vydor	Jan 17 2011, 10:32 AM Post #2
Posts: 1,659 Group: Members Member #243 Joined: Nov 13, 2009	-hides his head in shame- I have literally dozens of songs that I have chosen not to post here because there are other version of the songs on the site. I do occasionally post duplicates, but generally if my version is significantly different.



Falibrand	Jan 17 2011, 02:13 PM Post #3
Posts: 2,741 Group: Members Member #254 Joined: Nov 17, 2009	Absolutely! I think the two versions we have now of "Rocky Top" show the value of having multiple options for a tune! As for what I ponder if a song I'm getting ready to do has a version already on here... I look to the style, number of parts, and instrument choices. (I also look to age--best i can put it is the last major system changes to music were in early '09ish). I have enough other tunes to work on that if mine would be very similar with respect to those first 3 criteria, I'll put it aside. But I have done versions of posted tunes and likely will again! 2 Examples of my approach: The version of "Just a Gigilo" just posted--it's what I was going to go for, so I'm moving on to something else. Scarborough Fair--I like Astleigh's version, but as part of my current Simon & Garfunkel kick, I'm trying to do versions that are very close to the sound of their recordings. Make sense?



Tirigifu	Jan 17 2011, 02:42 PM Post #4
Tirigifu "Catfish" Posts: 1,212 Group: Global Moderators Member #74 Joined: Dec 25, 2008	Yup, fair enough. For some people who don't have confidence in their opinion of whether something's different "enough", it might even help other arrangers if those who work from midi files include a URL--though maybe not a live one in case some of us don't have updated virus protection, as Keptwise has pointed out--for the source of the midi in the song post. I know I've seen midi source URLs included in file headers by some people. On the other hand, people can treat the same midi differently and the URL is not always a unique way of identifying a file if it has been posted on multiple sites. The wild thing is that because there's "cross-pollination" going on with musical tastes and one person on an 80s rock kick can spawn similar kicks in others, accidentally starting the same arrangements can be more common than you might think. I've sometimes talked about future arrangement plans in EMS without intending to "mark" a piece as mine. I've also been guilty of putting aside plans for an arrangement just based on the knowledge that someone else is doing it, without even having heard it, so I'm not throwing any stones--just encouraging us all to err on the side of tripping over each other. What's a good trip among friends... Edited by Tirigifu, Jan 17 2011, 02:54 PM.



Falibrand	Jan 17 2011, 02:45 PM Post #5
Posts: 2,741 Group: Members Member #254 Joined: Nov 17, 2009	Don't remember who started it, but if there is a particular version I'm after, I'll post a youtube link if I can find it to something close to my model.



Theudebert	Jan 17 2011, 08:03 PM Post #6
Posts: 592 Group: Members Member #351 Joined: Aug 25, 2010	I was the latest one to do this. And I was saving one of them as a backup because my version was somewhat different. However, I like where I went with my other choice this week, anyway, so I'm glad I I took a step back to reconsider.



Macalaure	Jan 19 2011, 10:41 AM Post #7
Administrator Posts: 1,061 Group: Admins Member #1 Joined: Apr 21, 2008	I agree with all that has been said here too. No reason not to have many versions of the same song. There are even many versions of midis of popular songs out there to use. Some of our early versions of songs were not done as meticulously as they are now - we have all learned a lot - so newer versions of the same song might be much better than the previous ones.



Falibrand	Apr 26 2011, 11:48 AM Post #8
Posts: 2,741 Group: Members Member #254 Joined: Nov 17, 2009	A great example of this has just turned up. Vydor did a version of Sweet Dreams last October. Esrah has just posted a different arrangement of the same tune. Same tune, but very different sounds--gives a bandleader an option to match the sound with the set they're building, for example.



Falibrand	May 3 2012, 01:14 PM Post #9
Posts: 2,741 Group: Members Member #254 Joined: Nov 17, 2009	And another one--I was just posting my version of the Tom Jones hit "Delilah" and was pointed to one Dalleamhadd did in March. It sounds like we both started with the same midi, but made different decisions while doing our arrangements.



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