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| Topic Started: May 10 2008, 03:27 AM (2,259 Views) | |
| stupidstuff | Sep 17 2009, 12:46 AM Post #151 |
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I find the comment to be a mixed bag. I don't find the comparison of the fetus to the capital punishment recipient to be at all compelling. Then again, I'm coming at this from a very different perspective. The author has for a premise (the only way I can see that the comparison makes internal sense) that the aborted fetus had a right to life that has been taken away. First, and not to the point, I'll say that the prisoner may be just as innocent of whatever charge the state convicted him of as the baby is of whatever charge the writer in question thinks it has been accused of. Anyhoo... the primary relevant difference between the two is that the prisoner is certainly a sentient individual while the fetus may or may not be a sentient being. By sentient I mean possessing the ability to experience pain and/or happiness - without such ability there is nothing to take into account. A non-sentient being is of zero intrinsic value. It may be valued by others - but the entity itself cannot feel anything and it cannot hope for anything. If you believe there to be intrinsic worth in a being that is not even sentient (much less self-aware) and you can relate the reasoning that leads you to that conclusion and do so without invoking some concept of God then please let me know what it is. So the fetus gains sentience - becomes a human (unlike the poster of the quoted content I will not grant human status until the fetus reaches this stage) - at the point of it being capable of experiencing pain and joy we should begin to take its potential life into account; and do so regardless of all other factors. The primary point in favor of abortion-rights here for me is that pregnancy has been used as a weapon against women throughout history. As long as it is available for use as a weapon i believe it will continue to be used - bare-foot and pregnant and so on. We will then continue to live in a patriarchal society that I see as being the root cause behind pretty much everything I can't stand. It is this subjugation of basically half the world's population that I place against the claim to life that every sentient being should have. I believe the larger picture takes precedence over the smaller. I believe abortion to be ethical at all stages of pregnancy. |
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| Cobby | Oct 9 2009, 02:25 AM Post #152 |
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Ah my favorite topic back in the day, looks like it's come a long way |
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| stupidstuff | Oct 13 2009, 01:09 AM Post #153 |
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Have you? |
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| Cobby | Oct 13 2009, 03:06 AM Post #154 |
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What do you mean? |
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| Sayf Udeen Ismaeel | Oct 17 2009, 02:05 AM Post #155 |
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"Addict" has 15 abortions in 17 years A mother who says she was an "abortion addict" has admitted having 15 terminations in 17 years. Irene Vilar said that from the age of 16 to 33 she could not prevent herself from getting pregnant - and then getting a termination. "Of course, this did not mean I wanted to do it again and again," said the now 40-year-old mother of two. "A druggie also wants to stop every time." For much of that period she was in a difficult marriage with an older man who did not want children with her, she said. She would "forget" to take her birth control pills, get pregnant, panic that she would lose her husband and arrange an abortion. Her past is explored in her memoir Impossible Motherhood: Testimony of an Abortion Addict, which has provoked an outcry from many anti-abortion campaigners. "The majority of pro-choicers - and I don't blame them - are somewhat confused," Ms Vilar told the LA Times. "My story is a perversion of both maternal desire and abortion, framed by a lawful procedure that I abused," she writes in her book "A moment came when not being pregnant was enough motivation for wanting to be pregnant. Getting pregnant began to be simply a habit." But she believes the availability of abortion saved her life as she would have found a way to end her pregnancies, legal or not. She is now raising two daughters, aged three and five years old, and two teenage stepchildren with her second husband, whom she met in 2003. To verify her story, Ms Vilar produced medical records and her book was fact-checked and vetted by lawyers, according to her publishers. http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/newshome/6221911 |
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