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| Caning for drinking alchohol | |
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| Topic Started: Sep 29 2009, 10:27 PM (56 Views) | |
| Bunny | Sep 29 2009, 10:27 PM Post #1 |
A Godless life seems sweeter
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Muslim woman calls for cane soon GUILTY: Kartika Sari Dewi Shukarno, a 32-year-old mother of two, would become the first Muslim woman to be caned in Malaysia. Relevant offers A Muslim woman sentenced to be caned for drinking beer wants to quickly get the punishment over with now that it has been confirmed by an Islamic appeals court judge, her father said Tuesday. If the punishment is carried out, Kartika Sari Dewi Shukarno, a 32-year-old mother of two, would become the first Muslim woman to be caned in Malaysia, where about 60 percent of the 28 million people are Muslims. The case has ignited a debate in this moderate Muslim-majority country whether conservative Islamists, who advocate harsh punishments, are gaining influence over the justice system and whether Islamic laws should intrude into people's private lives. According to local media reports Monday, chief Judge Abdul Hamid Abdul Rahman of Pahang state's Shariah courts decided to uphold the sentence passed by the state high court on Kartika after a one-month review of the case. No date was immediately set for the caning. Kartika's father, Shukarno Abdul Muttlib, 60, told The Associated Press that while the family had yet to be informed of the judge's latest decision, his daughter "accepts the punishment" and would like it to be carried out sooner rather than later. "We obey the law," he said, adding that "it's a challenge ... (but) it's the way of my life." Pahang court and religious department officials declined to talk about the case Tuesday. Others could not immediately be reached. Kartika, a former model and nurse, was sentenced in July to six strokes of the cane and a fine of 5,000 ringgit ($NZ1975) for drinking beer in December 2007 at a beach resort in violation of Islamic laws. Islam prohibits Muslims from drinking alcohol. Kartika, who pleaded guilty, refused to appeal her sentence and was on the verge of being caned on Aug. 24. But the punishment was halted at the last minute following an uproar in the media and among rights activists. Instead, the government asked the Shariah High Court Appeals Panel in Kuantan, the capital of Pahang, to review the verdict. Judge Abdul Hamid, who headed the panel, ruled that the sentence was correct and should stay. The caning would be done with a thin stick on the back and would be largely symbolic rather than aimed at causing pain, unlike the caning of rapists and drug smugglers with a thick rattan stick on bare buttocks that causes the skin to break and leave scars. Malaysia follows a dual-track justice system. Shariah laws apply to Muslims in all personal matters. Non-Muslims - Chinese, Indians, Sikhs and other minorities - are covered by civil laws, and are free to drink. Only three states in Malaysia - Pahang, Perlis and Kelantan - impose caning for drinking alcohol. In the other 10 states it is punishable by a fine. ==== Whatever happened to common sense? Caning? For drinkin alchohol? Please. I thought Malasyia was supposed to have a non fundamentalist law system |
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| Redneck | Sep 29 2009, 10:34 PM Post #2 |
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Common sense and religion don't go together even when religion is in its mildest form. get fundamentalist and you see this kind of shit. |
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| gingerwitch28 | Oct 2 2009, 12:06 AM Post #3 |
twenty-first century ennui
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"Shariah laws apply to Muslims in all personal matters" But what if someone just so happens to be a Muslim who doesn't think that alcohol is a sin? There is moderation in all religion. Just like many modern Christians don't take everything said in the Bible as an unquestionable truth, I don't see why there are Muslims who don't. |
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| sabre | Oct 2 2009, 12:09 AM Post #4 |
Super Spok to the rescue!
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wtf this is barbaric. shouldnt muslims be able to opt for sharia law or civil law |
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| stupidstuff | Oct 2 2009, 09:00 PM Post #5 |
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It's a pathetic display, for sure. The psychology of caning is interesting. I will pesume the deterrent is supposed to be the public humiliation rather than the physical pain itself. The article says pretty much this, though by referring to it as a "symbolic" punishment it doesn't say, in so many worde, that it is actually a public caning. So I wonder why not instead have the woman announce in public what a terrible sinner she is, or make her wear a big scarlet A, or something else that doesn't involve violence. Does Allah say that she needs to be caned? Does this religious law take its punishments directly, and exclusively, from the Koran? OTOH, I would prefer it for my government to forbid alcohol companies from sponsoring racing cars and events. For a start. A lot more violence is caused through the free-for-all alcoholism nurtered by western governments than is brought about by the regressive religion-dominated ones which happen to choose to play whack-a-mole with their imbibing subjects. But still, the Abrahamic versions of God do share a similar love for Wrath. I wonder why He doesn't try to outthink her. Asimov called the reliance on violence to be the primary sign of the incompetent. And given what a screwed up place the world is, I think the idea can be applied to the highest level with validity. Assuming, of course, for the moment, that there is actually such a high level. |
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