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Egypt anger over virginity faking
Topic Started: Sep 29 2009, 10:50 AM (96 Views)
Sayf Udeen Ismaeel	Sep 29 2009, 10:50 AM Post #1
Icon by meagan_chelsea @ LJ Posts: 7,579 Group: Admins Member #1 Joined: May 2, 2008 Gender Male Religious Views Muslim Political View All over the shop.	http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8279276.stm In this comment, I'm not condoning pre-marital sex of course, as it is certainly against my beliefs. But just a few things: 1. If there wasn't a retarded facination with the hymen being a mark of 'purity' or a fool-proof way of telling if someone is a virgin, this wouldn't be an issue in the first place. 2. Why is it that a man's word he's a virgin is enough? But when it's fact that a woman's hymen can break through completely non-sexual activity even her word isn't enough because there's a 'doubt'. 3. I argued this once with a fool. His response to my comment on the hymen breaking through non-sexual activity was simply "That's BS". Sad people can believe that. 4. From an Islamic position. Who cares if she's had pre-marital sex? That's between her and Allah (swt) and doens't involve you. Why not focus upon marriage on the here and now and what kind of Muslim both parties are at the time. Repentance and sin are private matters.



sabre	Sep 29 2009, 04:05 PM Post #2
Super Spok to the rescue! Posts: 1,244 Group: Members Member #218 Joined: Sep 16, 2008 Gender Male Religious Views Atheist Political View freedom and all that shizzle	this is why i hate religion. it leads people to such stupidness overr what is perfectly natural. grrrrrr.



Sayf Udeen Ismaeel	Sep 29 2009, 07:46 PM Post #3
Icon by meagan_chelsea @ LJ Posts: 7,579 Group: Admins Member #1 Joined: May 2, 2008 Gender Male Religious Views Muslim Political View All over the shop.	Sabre, that's a giant blanket argument and the issue is a litttttle more complex than that. It's obvious that on this issue in particular, you are speaking from a quite ignorant standpoint. The examples may not be as 'extreme' but similar issues come with miscontruing of different areas of Science in different areas of the world. To some starving yourself thin may seem in some warped way logical, to others self-sedatives as pain relief. You know, cos cause pretty major damage but they both are 'logical', right. What I'm saying is, these are issues with culture. The guy I spoke to, for instance, clearly believes the hymen means virginity. Is this is a religious stance? No. Is it a scientific stance? Of course not. It's simply an uneducated stance of a random guy who needs education. Culture =/= religion. Culture is truly what causes these problems. Sorry if this is incoherent, but I'm tired, and already late to that job I hate but for some reason keep going back to.



Temerit	Sep 29 2009, 09:31 PM Post #4
Posts: 173 Group: Members Member #638 Joined: Aug 12, 2009 Gender Male Religious Views Atheist Political View Liberal/Progressive	Pre-marital sex.



sabre	Sep 29 2009, 10:02 PM Post #5
Super Spok to the rescue! Posts: 1,244 Group: Members Member #218 Joined: Sep 16, 2008 Gender Male Religious Views Atheist Political View freedom and all that shizzle	Sayf Udeen Ismaeel Sep 29 2009, 07:46 PM Sabre, that's a giant blanket argument and the issue is a litttttle more complex than that. It's obvious that on this issue in particular, you are speaking from a quite ignorant standpoint. The examples may not be as 'extreme' but similar issues come with miscontruing of different areas of Science in different areas of the world. To some starving yourself thin may seem in some warped way logical, to others self-sedatives as pain relief. You know, cos cause pretty major damage but they both are 'logical', right. What I'm saying is, these are issues with culture. The guy I spoke to, for instance, clearly believes the hymen means virginity. Is this is a religious stance? No. Is it a scientific stance? Of course not. It's simply an uneducated stance of a random guy who needs education. Culture =/= religion. Culture is truly what causes these problems. Sorry if this is incoherent, but I'm tired, and already late to that job I hate but for some reason keep going back to. "Abdul Mouti Bayoumi said supplying the item was akin to spreading vice in society, a crime punishable by death in Islamic Sharia law." "Professor Bayoumi, a scholar at the prestigious al-Azhar University, said it undermined the moral deterrent of fornication, which he described as a crime and one of the cardinal sins in Islam." no its not at all about religion.^ like it or not, most arabic cultures are heavily imnfluenced by islam, and why i understand your desire to defend your religion, at somepoint your going to have to admit that it is responsiblefor some things.



Redneck	Sep 29 2009, 10:39 PM Post #6
Posts: 264 Group: Members Member #48 Joined: May 25, 2008 Gender Male Political View Liberal Facist	I agree with what you;re saying Sayf, it's completely rediculas. Also to add to what you're saying; many women, especially those of Native American and Island decent, don't have hymens. It's a fragil piece of skin that's easily broken and to use that as a measuring stick for virginity is like using your eyes to determine if the counter is clean. You really only see whats there now.



Sayf Udeen Ismaeel	Sep 30 2009, 02:54 AM Post #7
Icon by meagan_chelsea @ LJ Posts: 7,579 Group: Admins Member #1 Joined: May 2, 2008 Gender Male Religious Views Muslim Political View All over the shop.	sabre Sep 29 2009, 10:02 PM Sayf Udeen Ismaeel Sep 29 2009, 07:46 PM Sabre, that's a giant blanket argument and the issue is a litttttle more complex than that. It's obvious that on this issue in particular, you are speaking from a quite ignorant standpoint. The examples may not be as 'extreme' but similar issues come with miscontruing of different areas of Science in different areas of the world. To some starving yourself thin may seem in some warped way logical, to others self-sedatives as pain relief. You know, cos cause pretty major damage but they both are 'logical', right. What I'm saying is, these are issues with culture. The guy I spoke to, for instance, clearly believes the hymen means virginity. Is this is a religious stance? No. Is it a scientific stance? Of course not. It's simply an uneducated stance of a random guy who needs education. Culture =/= religion. Culture is truly what causes these problems. Sorry if this is incoherent, but I'm tired, and already late to that job I hate but for some reason keep going back to. "Abdul Mouti Bayoumi said supplying the item was akin to spreading vice in society, a crime punishable by death in Islamic Sharia law." "Professor Bayoumi, a scholar at the prestigious al-Azhar University, said it undermined the moral deterrent of fornication, which he described as a crime and one of the cardinal sins in Islam." no its not at all about religion.^ like it or not, most arabic cultures are heavily imnfluenced by islam, and why i understand your desire to defend your religion, at somepoint your going to have to admit that it is responsiblefor some things. 1. What on Earth do you know about Arabic culture? Evidently very little to nothing. The reason we're talking about Arabic culture as opposed to Islam is that they are different things. 2. You haven't read the Qur'an, you haven't even investigated the Sunnah, unless you have done so since our 'debates' in the 'Why or why not?' thread. Clearly you are spoeaking from an uneducated stance on Islam. This is people and culture, not Islam. There are numerous readable Qur'an online, why not have a read and come back with a hopefully informed standpoint. It's not about a desire to defend my religion, it's about the fact my religion and this are two seperate issues. Again, something you wouldn't know.



Temerit	Sep 30 2009, 04:07 AM Post #8
Posts: 173 Group: Members Member #638 Joined: Aug 12, 2009 Gender Male Religious Views Atheist Political View Liberal/Progressive	I think the problem is that anyone actually cares about something like this.



gingerwitch28	Oct 1 2009, 11:59 PM Post #9
twenty-first century ennui Posts: 1,688 Group: Members Member #589 Joined: Apr 18, 2009 Gender Female Religious Views Atheist Political View Social Democracy	Redneck Sep 29 2009, 10:39 PM many women, especially those of Native American and Island decent, don't have hymens. Fucking hell, I'm jealous. Why the heck do we have hymens in the first place? They're completely useless, except they cause pain thanks evolution!



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