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TV2 Alignment Thread: Oracular Spectacular
Topic Started: May 9 2015, 04:04 AM (889 Views)
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Yo.

Okay, for those who don't know how this game works, you basically have to put your character into the DND Law-Chaos Good-Evil system, and post here with an explanation as to why. For those who don't know how it works, I found a handy guide.

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Here are my (very brief and incomplete) definitions/how I run them in D&D:

Lawful: Ordered, organized, pays attention to structure and society and is likely to, all else being equal, obey the norms or a structure.

Chaotic: Disorganized, more of a free spirit. Doesn't care so very much about tradition or how things have been done. Is likely to, all else being equal, do their own thing without regard to its precedent, and will change that thing day to day.

Neutral: Somewhere between/no strong preference.

Good: Cares about people and humanity as a whole. Very empathetic and acts on it, or does nice stuff for other reasons. Looks out for others, even those they're not specifically close to. All else being equal, will usually try to do the best thing for everyone.

Evil: Cares about themselves more than anyone else. May be empathetic and have friends, but when that's on weighed against their own interests, gotta look out for number one. Ends justify the means. All else being equal, they'll do what's best for them (note killing people is not best for you if it brings down terrible consequences that outweigh any benefits).

Neutral: Somewhere between/no strong preference.


After enough people have entered, I'll make a poll of what characters best fit each alignments. Once that's over, I'll see if I can find an artsy type person to make a chart a la the V4 one.

So, without futher adu:
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And, for my kid:

Michael Robinson: True Neutral. Manipulated people, and was willing to go with Zoe to kill everyone not on the red team, but he was more going with the flow and doing what zoe did rather than actually do the deed himself. He had doubts about what he was doing, and didn't want to kill, but went along with it because it was the best plan at the time. If a better plan came, one that allowed him to get out without killing, he would have followed it.

Edited by The Yugetnam War, May 10 2015, 02:10 AM.
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Tucker Hopkins: LAWFUL NEUTRAL - Tucker is a textbook Lawful: he played under the impression that teams the game outlined were the ultimate factor in alliances, being wary of Bella and Yagmur when they joined him and Regina and taking note of everyone's team when he first saw them. While Tucker's a 'good' person, I doubt he'd care too much about others if the Bears had managed to team up and plow through the competition.

Leah Bissard: CHAOTIC EVIL - Leah is chaotic: she's scared, panicked and pointing her gun at whatever or whoever got in her way. Her fear pushes her to selfishness, not thinking of repercussions when she shot Damion in a panic.

EDIT: added explanation, since I originally posted this in the middle of the night from my phone
Edited by Aloha, May 10 2015, 12:57 AM.
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Yagmur Tekindor: Chaotic Good. He doesn't really care for social norms, or authority, or tradition, or social acceptability, or responsible drinking guidelines. But despite that, I'd say he's far from selfish and cruel, and has generally tried to do as much good as possible, even if that requires a compromise or act of forgiveness he soon regrets (ie Jewel and Vahka).
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I never have any idea which alignments to put my kids under ;_; but I’m always fascinated by this sorta thinggggg so I’ve enjoyed reading yours! ^-^

(Also if anybody wants to align Will & Marcus for meh I would love you forever~)
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Actually, on talking with Doc, changing Michael to True Neutral.
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Taylor DeVasher: True Neutral. He literally will do whatever he feels at any given moment if it will make him be more interesting for the cameras. He could have been the greatest hero or the worst villain if properly motivated.

Asa Rosen: Neutral Evil. Like Taylor, he'll do whatever he feels is right, although he seems to have a certain sense of clarity and purpose in his actions. He doesn't care at all about being good or doing anything for anyone, and everyone is a tool for his goal.

Knowing my luck, I'm probably wrong about these, so feel free to offer second opinions.
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Nina is probably Chaotic Good. At her core, she is disgusted by the game, even though prior to her one-shot she never fully figured out why, nor what to do about that. Prior to senior year she was also a massive party-girl type, and while she's been toning things down there's still a bit of that in her. Nina mainly focuses on being a good person throughout her run, knowing that the world's watching her final moments and judging her accordingly. She goes on her mission of doing good deeds both as a way to stick it to people who want to see her kill and to spend her last moments doing something worthwhile. Overall, she was a fuck-up prior to the game and doesn't see herself making it to the end in-game, but her main motivation is being decent to the end.

Bella is a bit trickier. I'd go with either a second example of Chaotic Good or Lawful Neutral. To be honest, in the planning stages I pictured her as more of an anti-villain type, but the way things went down she's not really, even with a stretch. In her murders of Gene and Paisley, there was a moral justification for her actions. Gene was because he killed Will, and her reasons for tracking him down can be read as a mixture of catharsis, a way of doing what she could for Will after his death, and making sure Gene doesn't kill any more. Paisley, meanwhile, was psycho and attacking Regina and then Bella. Generally, Bella's willing to do some things I would consider to be "morally iffy", but only if she feels there's some kind of justification for it, either it means protecting herself and her allies or making sure someone who killed a friend doesn't kill again. To sum it up, she has a bit of a violent streak, and while she doesn't like hurting or outright killing people she's willing to do it if she feels it would be a better option than not hurting/killing people.

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Austin White is probably Neutral Evil due to his generally self-involved worldview; he was totally willing to use other where possible, and while he had a tendency towards planning, he was more than willing to roll with the situation as well. Had he stuck around longer, he'd've showed his colors a lot more, and they weren't super happy or moral ones.

Jewel Evans is Lawful Good because she stuck by her friends and granted some people's last wishes and didn't shoot anyone in the back who she explicitly promised not to shoot in the back.

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I assume Gene Steward developed from evil chaotic to Chaotic Evil. Cause he's selfish and a free spirit.

Not totally sure about Forrest Doe, but he might be Lawful Neutral. Cause he's structured in a group, but isn't empathetic, either. He cares about himself, but I'm not sure whether he counts as evil. Hmm, maybe he's Neutral Neutral or Neutral Evil or Lawful Evil or so? I'm not sure.

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For my kids:

Vahka is Lawful Evil. He has some moments of hesitance but he is ultimately selfish/self-serving, and willing to do whatever it takes to meet his goals. However, he also adheres to what he feels his "role" is and what he perceives the overall "rule" of surviving the game is, that being that you have to do terrible things to anyone that gets in your way and keep moving despite them. I think his relationship with Vincent probably displays this best: Once he establishes that Vincent is a potential threat to his survival, he negotiates separation and rules of engagement within the confines of their partnership, so that both are satisfied with the end result.

It's also fairly rare for him to just wildly attack someone with no provocation, the case of Cathryn and Jackson non-withstanding. He has a reason for most of his fights, generally centered around increasing his own odds for survival or paying a perceived debt. He may shift closer to Neutral as the game goes on, in terms of the Law-Chaos spectrum? I'm not sure there though, and I feel comfortable leaving him lawful for my own purposes, though of course feedback is absolutely welcome.

Gabriel is hard for me to place, but I'm going to put him as Chaotic Good There's some temptation, on my part, to put him down as evil as well, but I don't think that fits since his Island arc is selfish at first blush, but also driven by his need to get home and support his mother. He wouldn't be fighting nearly as hard if that wasn't his number one goal, which for me spins him from selfish to selfless, or at least somewhere in the middle. I think if he'd come across more people he knew and trusted, he would have been a lot more helpful as well. Having his two largest threads be centered around people he really disliked warps his personality to a degree, and there may be some bad conveyance on my part, but some piece of him genuinely regrets what happened with Davis and Lucy and wishes things could have turned out another way. It's just buried under the part of him trying to convince himself and everyone else that what happened wasn't his fault.

In terms of law-chaos, I think Gabe is definitely chaotic. His temper makes it difficult for him to hold true to one plan or course of action, and it gets him into a lot of trouble over his short game space.

As always, feedback or counter-arguments highly appreciated! On that note, I wanted to talk about a couple in the thread so far:
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Jewel Evans is Lawful Good because she stuck by her friends and granted some people's last wishes and didn't shoot anyone in the back who she explicitly promised not to shoot in the back.

This is a really interesting conception of Jewel, and I was just talking about this with Goose last night on Skype. While I don't think Jewel is quite straightforward enough to be considered good(her overall desire for self-preservation as long as it doesn't conflict with her friends and her deceptive approach with people like Davis cloud this, for me), I think in the context of SotF TV Jewel is at worst Lawful Neutral. I believe the way I phrased it last night is that she is predatory and opportunistic towards Davison students, who she does not know, but patient and talkative with Whittree students, who she does, which balances her overall nature towards a neutrality that shows one side or the other dependent on the circumstances. That said, I think there's a case to be made for Jewel as Lawful Good, and I'm intrigued.
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I assume Gene Steward developed from evil chaotic to Chaotic Evil. Cause he's selfish and a free spirit.

I personally conceive Gene more as Neutral Evil? My main reasoning here is that Gene could be erratic and chaotic, but he also spends a lot of time planning things out in his head. His plans often go to utter shit, but he does seem to lean towards structure rather than making things up as he goes along, planning out his attacks and his overall gameplan over and over as the situation changes. He's flexible, but he's still got some over-arching bulkwark in place and I think that puts him towards Neutral, for me.
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Oh, Neutral Evil also sounds cool, with the game plan and stuff!

Will is definitely a Lawful Good candidate, I guess. And Marcus might be Chaotic...Neutral?
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Lucy: Neutral Good although her last thread pushes her towards neutrality or even evil.

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Colin Pigeon is definitely True Neutral. Played the whole game just trying to float on by and react to whatever came to him, rarely taking any particular side that didn't have to do with his immediate survivor.
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