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Some Comments on Ron Paul Precinct Program Video; Comments from Youtube/DailyPaul
Topic Started: Feb 26 2008, 07:17 PM (54 Views)
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Precinct Leader Program (DailyPaul)

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lynnopoly:

Alright! Here is something easy and will help us win some delegates in states yet to vote.

When you become a precinct leader in a state that has already voted there is a new option on the HQ web-site. It’s an automated list (very cool) that randomly goes out to Leaders when you log on. You will get a name and phone number of a registered Republican in an upcoming state.

This is what you will see:


A voter name
Phone number/address
Script
Drop Downs to select answers
and a button for “next”

Could not be easier. This is designed to get RP state offices names of potential RP voters to call, and find undecided to follow up on.
I am telling you, it could not be easier! Sign up, if you make 1 call a week or 100 calls a day, it is this effort that will win us votes and delegates!)


Here is a screen shot of the screen
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Political Organization (Youtube)

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thetimman00: Libertarians are uniquely unfit for this type of duty. Unfit may be the wrong word,ill equipped, na, How about mismatched to the duty of political organizing.

240sxmachine: I’d say ron paul is the most politically organized of all of them. Bom bom Mccain doesn’t understand economics and thinks Putin is the president of Germany. Both Obama and Clinton are going to expand government and pile on more debt for future generations. Ron Paul is the ONLY choice and has been the only choice since this sham began.
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Doesn’t look good (Youtube)

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daderone: eww this doesn’t look good.

vudumojo: Why do you say that?

daderone: well at first it was sort of a gut feeling. Then I kept watching the video. I kinda dosed off a little bit. Almost felt bad for RP supporters for a second. I dunno did u not watch the entire video? I did.

Its over and a half. Thru a campaign manager on youtube. ouch. its kinda like when you’re friends with someone and you have to tell them that their girlfriend doesn’t like them anymore over the phone. voicemail style. RP even opted for having the secretary call.

Seiku: Dont listen to him, he’s been trolling on multiple political videos. He gets off on it, notice how hes subscribed to many candidates. Its a hobby of his. Dont allow someone like him to interpret what is being said in the video, since its always going to be negative. He generaly ignores a question and goes to taunting. So yeah, dont mind him.

daderone: yeah what kind of aweful American would follow closely, get involved in and stay up to date with multiple campaigns!?

Oh those bastard poly sci students who work as waiters thru community college! Damn them.

I guess i should be more of a propaganda swallower and mindless follower like seiku.

Don’t take it out on me that your candidate barely ever broke into double digits. You guys spam everywhere and then act like babies when other people speak truth and dissent to you.

paintman557: you call us propaganda swallower? cause we like his message of freedom? and restoring the constitution?. maybe you should like at our media and what mindless little sheep like you take in. go suck the governments cock some more you little bitch
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Spreading Ron Paul’s message (Youtube)

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ohponderthis: It IS that simple! I took 10 mins at work today to ask a young man why he was going to vote for Obama. I told him I was ready to wear the Obama tee shirt too until I discovered Ron Paul. He said Ron who? It only took 10 mins to tell him the TRUTH. He walked away ready for the Ron Paul shirt. I told him now that you know the truth you need to tell others the TRUTH! With a big smile he said I WILL! If I can do it ANYONE can!
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Insulting Ron Paul Supporters (Youtube)

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Wikimedian: I don’t like their approach. They’re acting as if we didn’t volunteer to do all this stuff. This movement is a people’s movement. We’re not like Clinton or Obama or McCain supporters. We did this stuff on our own. I don’t like campaign organizers. I’d certainly never read a script when making phone calls. That’s insulting to Ron Paul supporters.

takadi: The campaign organizers have a TERRIBLE reputation among the grassroots workers and their actions have shown how incompetent they are. This Lew guy has no fucking clue what he’s talking about, you can tell he’s extremely disconnected from the supporters by the way he parrots the same lame talking points verbatim without emotion.

Wikimedian: Hmm, yeah that makes sense. He and she talk down to us… Man it’s frustrating. I was frustrated listening to that crap. Ron Paul’s vids to the people are the most genuine and sincere vids any other candidate makes. These two are trolls who don’t know anything about Ron Paul supporters.

takadi: HA why should Lew Moore have ANY credibility now that he among with other idiots totally SCREWED this campaign?

Hey Lew, a few months too late. Why don’t we have another “he’s catchin on” commercial, that’s the only thing you’re good at
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I Just Don’t Know What To Say Here—But I’m Gonna Try (DailyPaul)

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JerryB9105:

I could only watch about half way through (the video), my thoughts turned to this instead:

—We are being asked to continue the good fight, to continue knocking on doors, to join in the political process in other but related fashions, to continue supporting our candidate of choice over and over and over again, while questions are being answered from this place and from that place, etc, etc., etc.

I just couldn’t keep my thoughts on what I was hearing because my mind wandered OUTSIDE of our own campaign to the other candidates, and to their supporters and what it is ‘they are being asked to do’ to win this election process on their side and the answer struck me—very little to nothing. And yet they are apparently winning (numbers) over us.

We have a far superior message; us, not them; us. It is our candidate that is America’s only hope in the face of where our nation has gone and where it continues to go—and yet MCCAIN and HUCKABEE and OBAMA and CLINTON are being reported back to us as leaving us behind in the dust. It makes no sense to me; it happening that way. Our message is far superior.

And then it came to me that our numbers are certainly large as they are ONLY BECAUSE we have done all those things, and continue to do all those things that the nice man and woman in the video have urged us to do—but so what?

Large as our numbers are (and growing)—the others MCCAIN and HUCKABEE, etc., are still doing far better and doing this without the benefit of their supporters who are doing little to nothing in comparison. What the hell is going on here?

Seems to me that instead of urging us to continue to build on those numbers (to rely on us to win this election) numbers that will never reach the equivalent of what mainstream media has done to create and continues to do (to us) it all seems a waste of time and effort, and hope, and expense. Sure we will have a larger following thanks to our individual efforts—but so what? The other side is doing little to nothing (and that should actually be a good thing, considering their message is more of the same old bullshit disguised as something other than that) yet they continue (State by State) to pull farther ahead.

It’s THANKS to that damn media and the biased playing field they have established. Nothing new being stated there, right. But that’s what it is, that’s the reason, what we are all up against here. The media reaches far more people than we are able—we can plainly see that now without getting up and turning off the damn tv to answer the door // it’s there right in our face. That’s been the problem and continues to be the problem, as I see it. And what is being done about that?

We’re spinning our wheels and going basically nowhere, other than gaining a larger number thanks entirely to our own efforts. And yes that does mean something—it means we ought to be winning.

I know no one wants to hear this but the media is what is driving this force for the others and hindering our chances, and it continues to be that way right in our trusting and smiling faces. It’s been said over and over as a concern here and for a damn good reason yet what has been done to change any of that? What?

I know this sounds negative as hell but we need to approach this entire race by demanding fair and equal treatment (if it’s not too late already considering the time that has come and gone already). Sure we’ve hung in there, our numbers have increased—but so what? It means what in the face of a game stacked against us? This media bias has become another form of voting fraud and it seems the powers to be have allowed it to happen as such.

Now (as if it will be a fix-all) we are being asked to knock on more doors

But what about those people that are running the show here, shouldn’t they be knocking on the media doors and demanding that fair and equal treatment? I say it is THEM that need to come to understand WHY the other candidates are doing better than us, the same with a piss poor message and supporters doing little to nothing in comparison with us that love and respect RON PAUL and want him as our next President. That seems to me to be at the very heart of this discrepancy in numbers.

Perhaps you will argue this otherwise, but I believe I’m starting to see the writing on the wall here, folks. It doesn’t make me happy seeing this bleak picture because I want RON PAUL—I don’t want any of those other jerks (the ones that are winning and shouldn’t be).

The question here is simple:
Why are the jerks (who have an inferior message) winning and we (who have a far superior message) are not?

Is that our fault or is it someone else’s fault? And if it’s not us (the devoted, loyal supporters) then who in the hell is responsible here?

midwestrpfan:

Totally agree!—I think it hit me like a rock on Super Tuesday when they weren’t even showing Ron Paul at ALL. I think it was apparent at that point that the tube was the most powerful weapon that we will ever face. People will believe EVERYTHING it says over ANYTHING you say. In Chicago walking the streets and trying to talk to people about Ron Paul, all you get is that he is a racist. We had signs in yards that were taken down after “the letters”. It made me sick. Then trying to talk to friends and family has been harder than I ever thought. Every step is a battle and now I’m feel like I have done what I can. Somewhere or somehow we need some help here. Ron Paul also needed to get out there. I saw that he didn’t campaign like the others and that also makes me annoyed. At this point it’s about the message and not so much about Ron Paul like it used to be. Maybe I’m wrong with all of this as well…. However someone needs to convince me otherwise.

scanner313:

Uhhhhhhhhhh…”It’s THANKS to that damn media and the biased playing field they have established. Nothing new being stated there, right. But that’s what it is, that’s the reason, what we are all up against here.”

No offense man, but we’ve been dealing with this from day 1. Can you really ask these questions like you don’t know why those other clowns are winning with a message that screams STATUS QUO?

1) The media annoints the winner before the primaries even start. They’re not always right, but they do a very good job of swaying public opinion.

2) Most Americans are lazy, an they just want to vote for the nominee of their party so that they don’t actually have to do any research.

3) The powers that be have worked diligently to intentionally silence Ron Pau and his message. The internet is a great place to find information, but remember #2.

JerryB9105:

In Response To Uhhhhhhhh

Who exactly are you “Uhhhh etc” here—Me? Obviously it is since you quoted me. How did you interpret me reiterating MSM as the problem as all of a sudden me just getting the hint // No offense // Well none taken, regardless.

The video I addressed was the most recent thing out of HQ // and yes the matter of us losing and them winning (the other side—the other candidates) has been an ongoing concern since day one BUT that doesn’t mean I don’t get it TO ME it means THEY (HQ) don’t get it. They don’t get it if they continue to tell us to do those things that truly mean absolutely very little to nothing in the face of that MSM bias you seem very well aware of yourself. Being aware and being not in a position vs being in a postion to do something about it seems to me to be what is missing since day one around here. And damn it, I’m angry as hell and I do mean offense towards those that continue (since day one) to ignore the true cause and effect that has hindered our fair and equal shot at the title. You are (at least I think you are) saying the exact same thing ONLY THING is you seem to have not yet focused your awareness where it really matters. Not on me but on those that can rightfully do something about this (since day one). Damn it!

Scanner313:

One last note…

“They don’t get it if they continue to tell us to do those things that truly mean absolutely very little to nothing in the face of that MSM bias you seem very well aware of yourself.”

I agree with you if they were telling us to have marches, and sign waves, and to try to get the campaign attention in the MSM.

I DO NOT agree with you if they were saying to become a precinct leader and to focus on spreading the message in your precinct. This IS the answer, and if we had all been doing this from the start we could actually be winning this thing right now.

JerryB9105: Well, SCANNER313—Looks Like We Got A Little Conversation

To which I reply—Maybe.

But are the otherside doing that, is that why they are winning because they have been doing what you suggest since the start? I think not.

They, the other side, the side that is winning, they do have an aggresive approach, no question about that, but the amount of time spent in helping spread their message (their distorted hope for America) has not been done by Precinct Leaders and loyal supporters but rather by mass influence coming from the bought and paid for media that would have us see and believe in a certain fashion regardless of what they portray as true and who it is they actually DO NOT want us to see as our only true hope for America (meaning of course: RON PAUL) but to see and accept some other candidate of their own design.

No other way to explain HILLARY and/or MCCAIN and their messages they dangle before our unblinking eyes. The American People may very well be lazy, as you said earlier, but we are more so influenced than any one of us can even imagine—myself included. I just know it’s so and yet not aware of all the tricks they pull that I also nod my head in agreement with. They are skillful and we are gullible // and down deep we each hope for the best even knowing that the other side is corrupt and greedy and yet will surely have our best interest at heart, regardless that is our downfall.

Scanner313:

The benfit of the doubt

Liten man, if I misinterpreted your original message, I’m sorry. To me it sounded lik you were just ranting about the MSM bias towards Ron Paul as if it had just all of a sudden hit you like a ton of bricks. In that, I was surprised that you would take the negative attitude you had regarding the efforts of this movement.

I think the biggest problem we’ve had all along is everyone believing that we were going to be able to break down the MSM wall. We made a good attempt, with the blimp, the money bombs, etc. But in the end, none of that mattered. The media still marginalized Ron’s candidacy, still asked him the pointless questions, and still pushed everyone BUT Ron Paul as the eventual winners.

Had we all been out in the street talking to people directly about the message first, then about Ron Paul, we probably could have won this things. But we all wanted to go for the glitz of the media and that’s where we went wrong. But now, with the precinct leader program, we have the tools and the smaller focus that will allow us to get through to our neighbors. To wake them up to the truth about our monetary system and the danger we’re in because of it. And to show they how only 1 candidate is not only mentioning it, but has a plan to fix it before it’s too late.

Again, maybe I misinterpreted your rant, and if so, I’m sorry for the way I replied. If not, and if you were ranting that we need to force the media to listen, and report fairly, then I say good luck to you in your endevour. But it won’t happen and it certainly won’t help to promote the cause of freedom and liberty in this country.

JerryB9105:

SCANNER313, We’re on the same sheet with this, I can see that. But it’s not up to us (individually, never happen) to change the manner of how we are treated by MSM. They know we don’t like the treatment given our hero, they know that and they could care less. They’re the ones in control, we have little (probably the right word is no—control) // no true control, even though we might like to think we do.

I suppose anything is in fact possible. But history with the MSM and the tricks they play the deck is definitely stacked and we have very little to say about that other than simply not play. Not playing is giving up, for sure. But playing the game using their stacked deck (their rules) means very little in the scheme of things either. They intend to win, they intend therefore for us to lose. I figured that out (long ago) and perhaps others (you included in that) have also. But some among us continue to hope for the best and I see that really not happening with these gangsters that would have us lose and them continue to maintain control. That’s what I’m trying to say with all these words. Hard to do at times, get my thoughts out, but the point isn’t lost on you, I’m sure of that based upon your responses.

The ONLY hope we would have or may yet have is if those that represent all of us (we represent them also, I know that) but those that are at the top need to bring the matter of unfairness into public view. It’s there and it continues when it should have been a major big time screaming effort on the part of those that started this campaign effort for all of us. I see this media bias as another form of voting fraud. It leans the votes, the thought process in one direction and that’s simply not fair. Influencing the outcome of what should be a fair process is simply wrong and those doing it need to be (must be) called out or nothing will happen to affect the desired plans of those that would have it their way, regardless.

We’re together on this, I’m sure of it, it’s just I don’t think it can come from us it must come from within the HQ that holds the powers of our collective in its hands. We are many voices but it should rightfully be filtered through one single mouth—the HQ speaking for all of us.

Voter fraud is wrong; media bias ranks right up there with being wrong. Has been, and continues to be.

Enough from me on this; you have a nice day.
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Revolutions are not easy (DailyPaul)

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Think about how many battles George Washington lost before he won in the end.

Internet campaigning calls for new technology and more importantly, new ways of thinking about how to use it. We are on the cutting front of the future both politically and technologically which is much exciting than fighting from the rear.

While it takes a while to figure it all out, I stll believe the issues at hand are worth fighting for. Just think about how much more aware we are now of the critical issues.

A lot of unexpected things will happen between now and the convention but, as Tiger Woods would say, you have to put yourself in a position to win.

JerryB9105:

Well, No Offense To You RALPHWALDO BUT George Washington having lost a lot of battles or quoting Tiger Woods gives me very little comfort in what has been happening to us in this Presidential Campaign effort. While it does take some time to figure things out and you’re right about that we should have learned our lessons long ago, figured out that the media (most all of them) are biased, figured out how the otherside plays the game (voting fraud and so forth). This media bias, considering how important a role the media actually plays in today time vs. George Washington’s time, is super-duper important. The other side figured that out waaaay before any of us and they have been ‘using it’ quite effectively. And not only when it comes to picking a Presidential Candidate, other things as well. But I won’t go down that road of other things and confuse the issue here with anybody.

I do want to end on a note that says believe what you wish when it comes to the ‘unexpected’ things that may happen (you said will, didn’t you) but you should understand that hardly anything is left up to chance here in this game we stand and watch and pretend we have some control over. It’s far too important for allowing chance to dictate results. There is the matter of the mind to consider, a little game of its own commonly known as PsyOps that has guided all of us, continues to guide us, to educate us, inform us, influenced us even without our awareness of being influenced at times the mass media are very skilled at this art // they can make people do and believe basically anything they wish just by being there in our mind 24/7. If you don’t know what I’m talking about (any one of you out there, I[m speaking to right now) all I can say is you should know. Check into it.

You might want to start your research right here

Scanner313:

Jerry, so what exactly is your point? I’ve read 2 replies from you now and you’ve complained in great detail about the MSM bias and how WE didn’t get it. Honestly, MOST of us got it, but we mistakenly thought we could break through it if we cause newsworthy events to happen. We were right on that front, but wrong on how we thought it would effect the race. There are still some here who are pushing efforts to try to get media attention and I simply won’t participate because I’ve realize that this is not how were’ going to make an impact. It sounds to me like you’re pretty much resolved to giving up. Am I wrong?

If I’m not, then have a good life man. No ill will. Just leave and do your thing.

If I am, then what exactly is YOUR vision of how we can make a difference? I have mine, and will be working towards it._

JerryB9105:

SCANNER313, One More Thing On This. I didn’t see this reply (post) from you at the time I was replying to another of your post—but since you asked me a question (what is my point?) thought I’d carry this a step more.

Listen, man, I really don’t want to come across as A COMPLAINER—I’m a supporter of RON PAUL’s that’s what I am. I want him as our President. Let me say that again so there can be no misunderstandings: I want RON PAUL as our next President.

I responded to a video that started this thread and as I tried to say (but do have a tendency to get lost in thought) my thoughts while watching that video from HQ seemed to be wrongfully placing the burden of RON PAUL becoming our next President back entirely upon our shoulders and that didn’t seem quite right to me. Of course we all have a responsibility to do our best in this endeavor that’s a give. Saying that, I got to thinking about the other side (the MCCAIN, the OBAMA side) who according to the numbers being reported back to all of us—are winning in this race. Hey, I don’t like that at all. None of us here in the RON PAUL forum should be happy with that and I’m sure we’re not.

But like the video asked, do more, do all you can, keep it going—I’m not saying that’s wrong, I’m just trying to figure out why all of our efforts so far as outstanding as they have surely been have not pushed us to the very front of the line and kept us all there. I mean RON PAUL’s message, his issues, are far superior in common sense and logic than any of those others wanting to become President. So what gives here? We’ve recruited large numbers no question about that; and the video asks we continue in this vein which we rightfully should. But something is dearly wrong BECAUSE those others with far less truth on their side are winning. One more time something (??) isn’t right here.

I know it’s the MSM—but it’s more, it’s far more than a simple finger point. They have a major big time influence, no doubt about that. And that should work equally in our favor; considering back to that super-duper message of RON PAUL’s. And yes we all know the MSM hasn’t been fair in this and that is partially my point, finally.

The ones controlling this election campaign, the ones telling us to continue, the ones asking for support, the ones asking for $$ from us—Hey, they are there for a reason are they not? But shouldn’t they be doing more? Yes they should be doing exactly those things BUT seems to me that in view of my own awareness of how MSM has been a complete ‘dick’ in this fairness/unfairness process then the HQ should be voicing my (all of ours) concerns in this regard. Who else is there that can do this? Certainly not me, certainly not you. They’re at the top, they see more than any one of us do (or can) and yet WE are being asked to continue business as usual and that business as usual has in fact been outstanding support but it hasn’t gotten us anywhere close to the front of that line. We should be right there standing as NUMBER ONE and would be if the HQ had screamed FOUL the moment this bias began.

Is it too late? I honestly don’t know.

The other side seems to put forth very little effort. Maybe I can’t see what they are actually facing, but to think they are working harder than our group—I just can’t believe that. And yet look at the results so far to-date.

Now if that is complaining, I’m sorry for it I intended it to be expressing concern and trying to find the way out of this unfair treatment we have received. It’s the unfair part that has kept us from the front, no doubt and yet we continue to be encouraged to do business as usual. I’m afraid they (the HQ) are doing that as well and that part yes maybe I am complaining about to some degree. I have no constructive criticism other than to suggest that those with the responsibility and clout STOP TAKING THIS ABUSE and start an attack of our own. Doesn’t mean violence, I’m not suggesting that, it means START LOOKING AT WHAT IS CAUSING US ‘NOT’ TO WIN // We already know how to win.

Frustration, disappointment, concern – that’s my feelings. And somewhere in all that, I was trying to express my point. Smile ;-)
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Scanner313:

“Frustration, disappointment, concern—that’s my feelings. And somewhere in all that, I was trying to express my point.”

I understand man, I really do. But we, collectively, need to undersand that no matter what we (or HQ) does, it will not in any way,shape, or form change the way the MSM covers Ron Paul.

The MSM is a tool of the establishment. The media networks are owned by giant corporations who are “owned” most often by the wealthiest elements of our society, and of the world. Tthey are the shareholders, the board members, etc. who control these corporations and they will never, NEVER allow a guy like Ron Paul to gain any serious attention on THEIR networks. They’ll give the illusion of fairness by running stories on him here and there, but not to ask him questions about policy. Instead they would ask him about the money he raised, or how cool the blimp was, etc. Meaningless crap that is not going to let anyone really know what he’s talking about. And yet, sometimes they let their guard down and a good interview gets through (like Glenn Beck). But you know that if Beck continues to push his “Liberty in Peril” stories to a point where he figures out who’s behind all of it, he will be gone.

So anyway, here’s the answer…

1) Forget about the MSM altogether. We will NEVER be able to influence them. They will never support Ron Paul or any candidate even remotely resembling Ron Paul.

2) Let the campaign managment deal with the stuff they must do: Ballot access, delegates, TV commercials, appearances, etc.

3) WE handle the message push. Using the precinct leader program we get out and find a way to connect with our neighbors. Build local coalitions of truth and keep them linked through e-mail lists, etc. Have personal get togethers here and there, and discuss with them the latest developments in not only the campaign, but the movement.

This is all we can do. There is no other means by which we are going to even have a remote chance at winning. And even if your state has already had its primary, register for the precinct leader program and educate your neighbors so they will see why their vote for anyone else was misinformed.

This is how we’ll win, wether it be the battle for the Presidency or the battle for America.
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Good Video (Youtube)

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charlessmyth: Good video. It is vital to get the vote out and vote for the candidate one believes in. Ron Paul in this case, and not be diverted by choosing an alternative who may be more likely to win. And, as has been pointed out, the process doesn’t just stop with this campaign. There are many future possibilities ranging fro running for office or to assist with getting the message out, etc.
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The Campaign Missed the boat (DailyPaul)

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alaney:

The voyage began in Iowa, where we finished far down the list. Even the upstart Huckabee, with no money figured out that Iowa was the key lightning rod to continuation. We have a unique candidate with Ron Paul with a messege of integrity and responsibility, but we came away from Iowa looking just like the press reported we would, on the fringe. The #1 objective should have been to get a solid foothold with a respectable show in Iowa with good old fashion newsprint for the Iowa farmers and country folk. It’s been downhill from there. The GOP has led the MSM to bury the Paul campaign, and it’s worked because the Ron Paul campaign was not prepared to counter re-act to what should have been expected assaults against his messege. No professional public relations anywhere in sight. Lot’s of money, but no professional people. Ron Paul’s messege is clear as a bell, but it needed professional “packaging”, which it didn’t get. Ron Paul had to fend for himself at every turn. Taking hit, after hit. Amazing man no doubt.

Ron Paul comes across just like the Doctor he is, giving bad news to a sick patient. Only the American populace is the “patient”, and they don’t want to hear any bad news about how sick they are. They’d rather simply get another diagnosis….......doesn’t matter if it’s accurate or not. Just like the cancer this country now has, our “patient” would rather hear from a doctor that embellishes hope for recovery. They know the “sickness” doesn’t apply to them personally, so why deal with the pain, when you can just go to another doctor, who makes you “feel good”?

alaskaron:

Not entirely true. The campaign did hire some professional republican campaigners. Those professionals are well known in the states they worked in as helping undermine the campaign, being ineffective, and wasting money.

SierraHPBT:

no the media built huckabee up.. huckster didn’t do a damn thing.. same thing with mcinsane right now…
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Who Ron Paul is to this Movement (Youtube)

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frnnk: I don’t think people understand that well enough. If there wasn’t a ron paul, most of us would be sitting at home watching the country go down the toilet, or escapingn to some remote country, like zanzibar island.
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Who is responsible? (DailyPaul)

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misa:

We are. The msm is not our friend, no matter how we play it, there is no way they’re going to give us equal treatment. We need to go around the msm, we need to stop expecting them to change or see the light. Breakthematrix.com is one way, and canvassing and educating people is already proven to work. This is frustratingly unfair if we compare it to other candidates’ supporters who, like you said, aren’t doing anything much.

Sadly, this revolution is not as easy as forcing the msm to give us time, equal treatment etc etc. I don’t know what else to say. But it just saddens me when people complain about the msm not giving RP coverage. They are not our friend! We need to give up the notion that they will change. Only then we can see other possibilities, instead of being hung up on how unfair the situation is.

It sucks big time, but we need to suck it up and march forward. Let us be smarter than the msm. Which I think we are.


Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has.
-Margaret Mead
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Sorry… (DailyPaul)

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noxid:

Yes mistakes where made. Don’t worry I know how you feel. Yet I still have some fight left in me. I’ll continue to “be taken on a ride” as you put it.

When things don’t go your way and you know your cause is still right, you keep fighting.
What we are trying to do here is nothing less then monumental. Imagine that, we’re trying to put forward a candidate that is honest and takes no special interest money.

Say things did go better? Imagine how hard the MSM would attack us if they did get guys like Dick Morris. You can be sure that the attacks would be harder if we were more of a threat.

This is a test. Can our message unite us and make us stronger? Will we fall apart and leave this cause if we fail in their eyes?

No matter what we must show our resolve win or lose. The March in D.C. is a show of our solidarity, tenacity, and fierce devotion to the cause of Fredom.

Ron Paul represented us well. When they attacked him he always had poise. We must show in return what he has done for us.

I for one am forever changed after all this. I’m going to be politically active and I’m going to continue working for this cause. I’m done with complaining about the worlds problems and not doing anything at home to fix the problems.
God bless,
noxid
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Disappointment in Official Campaign (Youtube)

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frnnk: WE’RE NOT QUITTING! but you guys seriously screwed up our momentum. i’m quite pissed. why don’t we see more vids! sigh i hate sitting in the back seat and watching our campaign go dwn the toilet. at least go out with a bang! lets start this revolution off! loudly expose their crimes. if we won louisiana and properly exposed it, we would have gotten it and gained momentum!

goose1077: I think it is time to move on to the next step and focus on spreading liberty to lower positions. Elect school boards, state reps, county commissioners etc. John McCain does not need any more votes. He could stay home for the rest of the campaign and still win. The race for nomination is over but the race for liberty lives on.
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Voting for the lesser of two evils (Youtube)

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Truthiness231: I’m a Ron Paul fan here to say: it’s over. McCain is almost certainly the winner, and even if not it won’t be Paul. I’m sure he’s the better man, but it’s still over. Get over the “it’s not over ‘til it’s over” mentality, because it’s a one in a million shot now, making it more likely that Ron Paul is struck by lightening in his lifetime than winning US presidency. :/

And in the end they’re all bought by the same lobbyists representing the guys with the most money, so it doesn’t matter much.

Seiku: Even if he does not win, dont just vote anyone else for the sake of ‘voting’ like so many others insist and do.

“He isnt going to win dont throw your vote, vote for this person instead, theyre actually leading in the polls.”

Its a sad form of reasoning.

Truthiness231: That’s not what I said (your reasoning needs the tuning, btw). Vote for Ron, but it’s a lost cause. I’m opting to save my energy and put it towards making myself financially secure since we’re not getting the man who vowed to take us back to the gold standard (it would be a wise move, but alas it won’t be). That’s what I’m saying.

That or vote for one of the leaders in the race, in hopes to direct the results toward the lesser evil, though regrettably I’m still unsure who that is.

Seiku: I apologise for the misunderstanding, I didnt mean that you were telling us to vote someone else. Its just I (and you can do whatever you like) wouldnt vote or bother voting if it came down to the lesser of two evils. Now unless if another candidate offers something like the example youve given then maybe you could take a chance. Though if theres alot of uncertainty, I’d personaly would probably just stay home.

gibbie513: Why not write in your vote? It still counts and Mickey Mouse won that way.
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McCain Support (Youtube)

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561FrostyBoi: i just suscribed to Ron Paul 08 just to feul this whole conspeirciy theory against Ron Paul. i am a democrat for McCain.i turned 18 last month and the only reason i am going for McCain is he is the only person who recognized the threat that the east coast of the US is facing a mega tsunami. i saw the program on Discovery Channel and that sure enough it would turn the whole east coast in 2005 version of N.O./the wave slams S. FL 15miles inland. i live in a poor, black town?idk if Ron said this?

StormCommander: Weather is the last thing to worry about when the country has nearly 10 trillian dollars debt and the government is turning into fascism.

561FrostyBoi: it could happen anytime now. a small island off the coast of Africa already suffered and volcano eruption/earthquake the put a 3 foot(across)the wast side of the island. as soon as that volvcano erupts the west side of the island will crash so hard and fast causing a mega tsunami that will oblitirate the entire east coast of the US. 15 miles inland down the east coast. u cant forget about the other countries and islands that will be affected. it will millions of americans and millions of others!

Buckeyes1647: And how do u propose that America stop volcanoes you idiot? If it happens then it happens. You can’t stop nature.

561FrostyBoi: no fucking shit!!! it’s all bout plans and what to do when it happens. just to let you know America tested a device trying to neutralize hurricanes. we only had the first test before other nations became outraged thinking it was some kind of secret weapon. also, that test run was above our goal. if you wanna argue back, argue with the Discovery Channel because that is where i got that from. go suck on your fuckin father you ignorant son of a bitch!!!
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Jumping Ship (Youtube)

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Kujien: It is over guys, it was a dream and thats it. It’s really too bad Americans are stupid and are voting for people based on religion and thats it I guess we will get what we deserve ;(. Yes i’m a American. We can just hope that a democrat wins and hope for the best. VOTE OBAMA DON’T WASTE YOUR VOTE ON RON PAUL.

takadi: I agree this presidential campaign is over, but I will NEVER vote for that liberal hack Obama, and this is coming from a former liberal!
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Obama (Youtube)

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Wikimedian: I think you’re a little too confident of your opinion. I see your point, and I’m not yet decided. I’ve campaigned and donated for Ron Paul, and I’ve been waiting to see results. If John McCain is elected, this country’s going to HELL. If Clinton wins, we’ll be on our way to hell, but at a slower rate. Obama is the lead bad among these options; much worse than Ron Paul but MUCH better than the other two. If my vote can make a difference and I’m certain Ron Paul’s going to lose, i’m goin Obama.
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Voting on Principle (Youtube)

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Seiku:[...]To say that doing political support is not ‘having a life’ is ignorant and immature.[...]You should vote for someone on principle not popularity.

bilpayne: I am for Ron Paul I think we all know he cant win this time looks like we are going to have A black house

Seiku: Well its worth a try, you just got to have hope and as long as there is a chance I know I wont quit my support. Dont allow people to discourage you from what you feel is the right path for America. Goodluck to you and everyone who is out there to support thier candidate and believes we can have a brighter future.

OBareFootMama: No other candidate is worth voting for~ so…we hold onto our commitment to the constitution and a truly free country.
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Stay with your Principles (Youtube)

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Panpiper: If you do not vote for what you believe to be right, just what are you voting for? Stay with your principles. Vote Ron Paul and damn the torpedoes!
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Wonder what you think of this option? Write in pledge campaign. (DailyPaul)

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galtgulch:

I like the part where he said that they have no objection to people writing in Ron Paul’s name on election day.

I would like to see Ron Paul endorse a write in campaign starting with precinct leaders, all 18K of us. With new Slim Jims devoted to the write-in campaign I think it would energize precinct leaders to find others in their precincts who would join and help to pass the torch and recruit more to the write in campaign.

That would truly be grass roots, although I realize it has never been done before in the manner I have in mind. I imagine a sign in place and a counter on the main Ron Paul site so we could check it out each day and see the counter go up and up as more join and facilitate the spread of pledgers to write in Ron Paul in November.

This way it will not matter if Ron Paul gets the nomination although that strategy will continue too.

Appreciate any thoughts. I know this kind of approach is difficult to achieve. But starting with say 10,000 of us it should be easy for each of us to reach one more, and then for the 20,000 to reach one more, and then for the 40,000 to reach one more, and before you know it, 80,000 becomes 160,000, 320,000, 640,000, 1M.

From one million it continues up to 2M, 4M, 8M, 16M, 32M, 64M, 100M!

The trick is to find one other at each level who is willing to join the project, meaning someone as excited about the prospect of Ron Paul being elected in November because of what you tell him or her about Ron Paul. His policies and issues make so much sense and are so distinct from the other politics-as-usual candidates, that it should be easy especially as the numbers grow and grow with them being registered on the counter just like the money bomb donation counter.

What do any of you think?
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Write-in Ron Paul (Youtube)

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christopherquinn: WRITE-IN: RON PAUL.

We need to take our country back. Our first amendment rights are already being limited, and you can either give up and become a slave or push forward and win your right back. It is a process that will take time.

The change would happen faster and smoother by winning in 2008; but, though it will be harder to turn things around in 2012, it will be easier to elect a Ron Paul to the Presidency in 2012.

BTW, it is NOT over, not yet!
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Perseverance (Youtube)

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1lawgrad: rp’s campaign is over. move on. you people are in a world of your own. meanwhile, the real world goes on.

leviathank: We will never give up on true freedom.

dirtfire: Oh comeon. If you don’t succeed the first time, try again and try different things. That’s what the socialists do and they’ve had good success because of it.
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how many of you guys posting here are delegates in your own precinct.. the popular vote does not get the nomination. its the delegates in each precinct-and ultimatley those delegates get elected to the national convention.. it is so easy to become a delegate.. especially in your precint. but how many of you actually took the time to do it? this republican nomination can be won without the media.. it all comes down to delegates!
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In Pennsylvania’s 10th Congressional District. In this district, we (Paul supporters) have 5 out of 12 people vying for the 4 Delegate positions to the National Convention. I agree with HQ’s position on the delegates but have one other comment:

Lew has got to go. He should have went months ago. Headquarters is still trying to run a 2 million dollar campaign as evidenced by the video technical problems. We need a campaign manager that is familiar with 30 million dollar campaigns.
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The Change in the Republican Party (Youtube)

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goose1077: What do you think of the idea that it would be better to have a true liberal president to show us what a bad idea that is than to have a watered down conservative that moves the republican party to the left?

samej82: I think you need to understand what conservatism is/was before you start saying that people are watered down… I joined the republican party because of it’s ideals, and the reason it was created. To Find RP in 2008 talking about restoring those ideals is very exciting. RP didn’t change the party did, and we need to get back to what we believe in, and run on those principles.

Freethought42: Maybe you need to wake up, we already have a Republican that is moving the party to the left, Bush.

Soon we’ll have one that is much farther to the left, McCain.

Both support Amnesty, welfare, Medicaid, Big Government, etc.

McCain has allied himself with Daschle on taxes, Kennedy on Immigration, Feingold on Finance Reform.

Ron Paul is the most conservative member of Congress.

goose1077: I was talking about McCain. now does my question make sense? I don’t know the answer that’s why I was throwing it out there.
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In four years… (DailyPaul)

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For those that thought we could win, they were living in the dream world. We’ve gained hundreds of thousands of supporters who have given to the campaign, shown support for it and voted for the good doctor. The goal is to get as many delegates as possible and move on to the convention where the good doctor will have a platform to give an address.

In four years, this nation will be a lot worse off than it is today and these people who care more about watching sports or following Hollywood will be faced with having to pay attention to why they can’t heat their home, fill up the gas tank or put food on the table. Unfortunately, America is a reactionary nation. We the people will react once the crisis stares each American in the face. I just hope it isn’t too late.
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Transparency (Youtube)

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samej82: You know it’s funny, because out of all the other candidate pages. RP is the only page where you’re allowed to say bad things about him. That should tell you something about their views of free speech. Try to say something bad about Obama on his page, you’ll never get comment approval.
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Constitutional Constraint

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charlesmyth: It is bizarre to consider that when the Germans were recently approached and heavily pressurized to send more combat troops to south Afghanistan, the Germans felt that they were constrained by their constitution not to do so. America’s constitution also constrains such action, but the US administration does not let itself be constrained by the American constitution.
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Ron Paul International Support

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marine76er: if you americans are to stupid or don´t want dr. paul,please send him to germany,we would be proud of having a man like him.
a politican that answers all questions in a straight way,and stays behind his words…
that´s what ´most countrys don´t have.
GO DR PAUL

planktoniser: you germans are fairing a little better than us in Britain we NEED him more! I think for you americans now its al about civil disobiedience.. this march is a grt idea on tax day in april also for everyone viewing this i hope you’ve all seen the the docu about voting systems ‘hacking democracy’ I am not encouraging n e one to do this but the election supervisors that r aiding and abetting rigging votes should be LYNCHED!
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