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Danged Railway Scales!
Topic Started: Jan 22 2012, 10:28 PM (1,094 Views)
Legionnaire
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I am thinking about purchasing a card building kit (Post Apocalyptic/ Abandoned City) here: http://papermodelbuildings.com/products.html, but the information states " HO/N/OO/Z scale", so will any of those look at least ok with 28mm's?
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mattblackgod
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I dont think so. I think O scale is nearest. They will look a tiny to small depending on scale. Maybe you can scale the printing up?
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Cheers Matt! They looked pretty cool though, so I might give it a go.
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Seen these by Finger & Toe. They are 28mm.

I would be tempted but my printer has just died! :(
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Fantasy Fixtures
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O Scale = 28mm
OO Scale = 20mm
HO Scale = 15mm
N Scale = 10mm

There are variations between manufactures, so it can be kind of hit and miss
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Just to be a little nose picky, S-Gauge is closer to 28mm than is O-gauge, but S is more expensive than O.
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Tinker
Jan 23 2012, 05:44 AM
Just to be a little nose picky, S-Gauge is closer to 28mm than is O-gauge, but S is more expensive than O.
That's my Colonial Provincialism coming through. Tinker is correct.

I don't think I have ever seen S scale in the flesh. S and OO, from my understanding, are predominantly European scales. Only reason I know about OO is because I was into 20mm WWII and Moderns, and Dapol makes some AWESOME OO scale building kits.
Edited by Fantasy Fixtures, Jan 23 2012, 05:02 PM.
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I've never seen S either.The Plasticville O's are nice but a hair on the small size IMHO. Just a hair though,should try and track down some S's.
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O corresponds to 1/48 scale, IIRC, while HO is 1/72.
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Al, HO scale is actually 1/87.
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What Tink said.

My local train store has very little S toys,it makes me sad.So so sad.

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I can't remember the last time I walked into a model train store in the UK and they had anything in O or S.... and as Dad has a (HO) model railway, I've been in a few in my day!
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Tinker
Jan 23 2012, 09:39 PM
Al, HO scale is actually 1/87.
And here's yet another problem with those "Danged Railway Scales". Like miniature manufacturers, what exactly a specific scale is, is a matter of opinion. Building sizes differ, dramatically between companies. Place Paola(sp?), Life-Like, and Plasticville HO scale buildings next to each other, and you'll see what I mean.

Regarding scale conversions, here is a link to the best resource on the web, IMO, on the issue:

TMP - All About Scales

Quick primer on the most widely used scales for war gaming, based on info from the link above:

O Scale - 1/43 - 37mm
28mm - 1/58
25mm - 1/64
1/72 - 22mm
OO Scale - 1/76 - 21mm
20mm - 1/80
HO Scale - 1/87 - 18mm
1/100 - 16mm
15mm - 1/107

It's all hit, or miss, and the best thing to do is look around and compare. From personal experience, even if you buy something that doesn't fit your needs, chances are there will be someone willing to take it off your hands.
Edited by Fantasy Fixtures, Jan 24 2012, 02:11 PM.
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Yeah, FF, you're right there is not a NATO round in the batch... if ya want it exact ya have to build it yourself and put it against the other stuff built in the Sloppy Scales.

If ya start comparing apples to oranges in gaming or model railroading you may as well become a Napoleonic Era player and complain whenever the incorrect number of buttons are on a jacket, or allow the Great Whazzu to sell you your miniatures.

Edited by tinker, Jan 24 2012, 02:35 PM.
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Well mine is bigger than yours :P
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Yours is measured in millimeters, mine in a ratio of length Big Boy!! :lol:
Edited by tinker, Jan 24 2012, 10:53 PM.
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I though we were trying for closest approximation from RR to plastic models/wargaming.

I can't see 'em too well once ya get below an inch, anywho.
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Fantasy Fixtures
Jan 24 2012, 02:07 PM
Tinker
Jan 23 2012, 09:39 PM
Al, HO scale is actually 1/87.
And here's yet another problem with those "Danged Railway Scales". Like miniature manufacturers, what exactly a specific scale is, is a matter of opinion. Building sizes differ, dramatically between companies. Place Paola(sp?), Life-Like, and Plasticville HO scale buildings next to each other, and you'll see what I mean.
No, HO is always 1/87 (except in Japan where it is 1/80 so they don't have to make 12mm gauge mechanisms and bogies) which is not a matter of opinion, it is a mathematical task. If there is a difference it is a problem with the manufacturers quality, these scales are set by a governing body, not based on arbitrary things like the distance from a figures eyeballs to their soles or the length of the designers attention span, but on set mathematical tasks and if these are defied it is not because someone leaves hard numbers open for discussion, it is because the manufacturer smegged up or forgot that the reason they mark things as HO/OO is because they are cheap bastards and will not bother to make two products.
http://www.nmra.org/standards/sandrp/consist.html

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Jan 23 2012, 07:28 PM
I've never seen S either.The Plasticville O's are nice but a hair on the small size IMHO. Just a hair though,should try and track down some S's.
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How much bigger could you possibly want them?!
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mattblackgod
Jan 22 2012, 10:38 PM
I dont think so. I think O scale is nearest. They will look a tiny to small depending on scale. Maybe you can scale the printing up?
That makes pixels bigger and linework too thick, as well as ruining the texture. Like walking too close to objects in old computer games from the mid 90s. I knew someone who tried that with a plan of a large scale Cobb and Co coach he wanted to build, it doesn't work on an analogue copier either. The lines turned out too thick to dimension from. If the models are made for only the stated scales then there is not far you can blow them up if they are a bitmapped type image.

Now if they were a vector type, ok. However there is no texture or colour gradation, so they are really best used as scratchbuilding patterns, or to be painted.

I have Dave Graffams Ruin bundle, some of which can be used as they are layered and can have their older style textures removed and replaced with concrete.
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