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You've done it now Danny... tut tut tut
Topic Started: Jun 25 2010, 08:29 PM (3,449 Views)
mattblackgod
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I suspect that Dawgie has his own personal bunker built to this spec! :D
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Mal
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Jun 28 2010, 04:41 AM
well, some of the things that i would consider adding to your basic layout would be;


a. multiple large entrance/exits capable of supporting vehicular traffic.


b. consider having vehicle parking/storage and maintenance facilities near each of these entrance/exits.


c. freight handling equipment and warehousing facilities close at hand.


d. security checkpoints that provide control of these vital areas, including robot or remote controlled weapons turrets.


e. several smaller emergency exits (basically vertical shafts with attached ladder rungs/safety cage and platforms that would allow climbers to take a break during the climb to the surface, or to stage gear or equipment, during the climb, and concealed surface exits). of course these would have security checkpoints controlling them inside the complex, and would be alarmed around the clock with monitoring being done at SECURITY CENTRAL.


f. a confinement block or two as well as control stations to allow entrance/exit to/from same. confinement block would also have its own medical/dental facilities.


g. power plant and power plant control center. back up auxiliary power generator rooms and POL storage tankage for them.


h. environmental control center where the facility's lights, heating/cooling systems, air/water recycling, and bio waste processing plants are located. also machinery rooms/pump rooms as needed.


i. exercise areas, swimming pool, and gymnasiums for the all occupants.


j. secure training facilities for the use of security/fire/rescue personnel only.


k. separate housing block for single and married SECURITY personnel with families.


k. strategically placed and secured access SECURITY/FIRE/RESCUE stations through out the facility where needful things are kept as well as public access EMERGENCY FIRE/RESCUE equipment, tools, and stores are maintained.


l. a separate medical/dental/laboratory center with all needed facilities as well as a small hospital block.


m. a secure admin/operations block from which the day to day and emergency operations of the facility can be controlled/coordinated. this would include an operations center for outside vault activities and missions.


n. age specific entertainment/ recreational areas as well as common recreation areas.

o. maintenance, manufacturing, and repair areas for the facility.


p. a TRAVELLER style cryrogenics/stasis facility with enough room for all of the planned occupants to go into cold sleep. this facility would be monitored and serviced by robots controlled by the installation's AI.


q. a restricted and well protected block that houses the facility's AI and all of the defense and service robots.


r. a secured reservoir where the umpteen gallons of potable water is stored for use by facility occupants.


these are some of the things that cam immediately to my mind.


DAWGIE


a. I only want a single large access point... easier to secure in case of nuke.

b. Check

c. Check

d. Check

e. There will be alternate exits, but not many... its supposed to be a nukelar bomb shelter, it doesn't pay to have too many exterior doors.

f. Thinking of adding a hidden elevator to the main security room to a 'secret-science-mad-doctor-type-lab' in the sub basement.

g. Check (will be in the sub basement).

h. Check (subbasement).

i. Giving consideration to adding to the main level.

j. Check (subbasement).

k(1). 2 hab blocks on main level, may add a 3rd for security in subbasement... will have to see...

k(2). Not going to do this, but may add secure lockers in key locations.

l. Check (subbasement, although considering adding to main level).

m. Check (Subbasement).

n. Mabey...

o. Might add a workshop connected to the garage... but not sure.

p. Nope, low tech only.

q. Nope, low tech only.

r. Im going to add an auqaduct to an external water source with a pumping and teratment facility (see note about back doors, this will be one).

As you can see, there will be a fairly complex sub basement to be drafted up and built, but for now I just want to get the main level built... (and I think i'll need more foam core to make the subbasement). As for using A4 size foamcore... its cheaper and more redaily avaliable.
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THE ONLY TROUBLE WITH HAVING ONE (1) MAIN ENTRANCE FOR A FALLOUT SHELTER/BUNKER, IS THAT IT COULD BECOME BLOCKED FROM THE OUTSIDE.


AS FAR AS EMERGENCY EXITS, I WOULD CONSIDER AT LEAST SIX (6) OF THEM CONSIDERING THAT THESE ARE VERTICAL SHAFT (MAYBE WITH A SMALL CONSTRUCTION SITE TYPE LIFT AS WELL AS THE LADDERS TO MAKE EVACUATION OF ELDERLY/INJURED/SMALL CHILDREN EASIER).

SAY ONE OR TWO EMERGENCY EXITS PER HOUSING BLOCK, ONE FROM ADMIN/OPERATIONS/SECURITY/FIRE/RESCUE AND ONE FROM THE MEDICAL CENTER.


MAYBE HAVE ONE FROM THE DETENTION BLOCK AS WELL. MAKE SURE ALL OF THESE EXITS ARE ALARMED AND UNDER SURVEILLANCE BY A MANNED CAMERA STATION AT ALL TIME WOULD BE TAKEN FOR GRANTED.


THE IMPORTANCE OF HAVING A "MOTOR POOL" AREA BY THE LARGE ENTRANCES/ EXITS IS SO THAT THE FACILITY'S LIMITED NUMBER OF VEHICLES COULD BE STORED IN A READY OR NEAR READY STATE AND TO PROVIDE FOR A FULLY EQUIPPED AREA FOR ROUTINE MAINTENANCE, ETC.


EQUIPMENT STORAGE AND PERSONNEL PREP ROOMS AS WELL AS DECONTAMINATION AREAS FOR VEHICLES AND PERSONNEL WOULD ALSO BE NEEDED FOR ACTIVITIES OUTSIDE THE BUNKER/VAULT.


I REMEMBER THE FIRST STATION AFTER ENTERING A REAL LIFE COMPLEX THROUGH AN OUTER AIRLOCK WAS A DECONTAMINATION STATION FOR ALL PERSONNEL AND VEHICLES . INCLUDING AN EMERGENCY FIRST AIDE STATION HERE WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA, TOO.


AND THESE DECONTAMINATION STATIONS WERE UNDER 24/7/365 CAMERA SURVEILLANCE BY SECURITY, AND EASILY DEFENDED.


ANOTHER CONSIDERATION FOR A REALLY IMPORTANT BUNKER COMPLEX WOULD BE AN AIRCRAFT STORAGE/MAINTENANCE AREA AS WELL AS A LARGE LIFT AND BLAST PROOF OVERHEAD DOORS; NOW YOUR RECONN CHOPPERS AND/OR SURVEILLANCE DRONES CAN ACCESS THE OUTER WORLD FOR A LOOK SEE AS WELL.


DAWGIE
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Mal
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You have some good points... and for military bunkers, they are a must... but this is not...

Its history (whilst not wet fully written) is simply a small corporation with foresight built a facility for its head staff and people to serve them... hence the lack of military thinking and planning (its meant to be a secret bunker, so asking for advice would have been a no no).

I am going to do a decomtamination area for the vehicles/peoples, which is one of many reasons why im wanting to link both front enterances to a single entrance... if nothing else it gives me more room to play with.

There will be emergency exits elsewhere, but only 1 large vehicle entrance.
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Right small update, I have now completed one of the rooms... the armoury/security office (ok easy to guess that I would start there). The only thing i've got left to do is the detail on the doors and a few posters, mabey a muddy wash also, not decided on that yet.

*Edit* Pics finally uploaded!! Yay! Well here you are.. my armoury...

Overhead:
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Civilian enterance:
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Rear shot:
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Comments and critisism welcome.
Edited by Mal, Jun 28 2010, 04:29 PM.
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mattblackgod
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Man thats cool. I did consider card furniture. Looking at the room it may still be they way to go.

I like how you have done your door ways. Well thought out and not in the slap dash method I have done. Still there is nothing stopping me retro fitting stuff at a later date (yeah right, like thats every going to happen! :D ).
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Like the card furniture, where did you get it?.
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Oooh nice start!

Ok a couple of things(sorry if I offend you by any of this in advance) how well does the foamcore hold up as a base will it warp? Also my only real criticism is that your armoury doesn't have enough guns in :p!
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Mal
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Lol, thanks for the comments, the strength of foam core is to be perfectly blunt... amasing!!

Its pretty sturdy on its own, but once you get some support from the walls on it, its rock solid. I don't have a single warped piece.

As for the lack of guns... it was means to be a civilian facility... so the dozen or so on display kinda had to be enough.... (and I ran out of room for more gun cabinets!).

The card furniture (im sure vampifan will reconigise it) is from the Worldworks Streets of Mayhem Armoury set, most of it is really easy to use, with a couple of fiddly bits.

Currently im just trying to find a way to print off about 20 computer consoles without printing the rest of the crap that comes with them... (only 2 on the page with half a dozen other things I have no use for).

Next room up for construction is the garage... and you guys are in for a shocker here... I modified the draft.... drastically... but I ain't telling how :P
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Jun 29 2010, 11:59 AM
Currently I'm just trying to find a way to print off about 20 computer consoles without printing the rest of the crap that comes with them... (only 2 on the page with half a dozen other things I have no use for).

Mal,

I have a nice and easy, cheap and sleazy way of printing only computer consoles. Select the PDF image ya like, the section should highlight, copy, then paste into Word, paint or some other paint program. If you have Photoshop... well, it's an Adobe product it will allow you to manipulate any PDF images.


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Mal
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Tried that... the image got resized to be enormous... and I don't know the enlargement scale to modify it.
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:frustry: Well, that sucks...
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Mal
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Im going to try a pdf editor later, see if I can play around with them that way... but to be honest im not very hopeful... I need to find another source of free standing computer terminals.
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THIS is purty! my only criticism is about the low number of firearms, and i wonder where the ammo locker is for the arms room. other than that- knockout!


foamcore really is stout stuff. i like to use it for my own building projects.


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If you take a close look at the shelves you'll notice they didn't bother to lock the ammo up...
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How about print and cut off the pieces ya want to use, take 'em and color copy 'em at a local print shop.
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Mal - Have you tried setting your PDF viewer at 100% zoom (ie: actual size) and taking a screen shot?
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Hmm.. no I haven't... i'll have to try that... thanks for the idea!

*Edit* IT WORKED!!! yippie!! now I have 6 per sheet!! I tghink 4 sheets should be enough for now... can always print more off later if I need to, thanks man!
Edited by Mal, Jun 29 2010, 10:33 PM.
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The problem your having is probably due to the fact that the "enormous size" is the image's actual size. When you copy it straight from the PDF, you're basically seperating it from the PDF's the scaling/size parameters so the image is "returning" to it's original/actual size.
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Not quite, the size from 100% zoom (checked by overlaying with an actual print out for scale) is still about 1.5 times smaller then the 'copyed' version I tried before... dunno why but anything I copy from adobe jumps in size... still problem solved now, thanks mate.
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