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You've done it now Danny... tut tut tut
Topic Started: Jun 25 2010, 08:29 PM (3,443 Views)
Mal
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Argh! Why Danny? Why? Why did you have to go and make such great tunnels... Now im convinced that I can too... Why did you do this to me? Lol.

Ok in all seriousness you tunnels are pretty damned cool... and me wants some... so im going to make myself a set, however my tunnels are going to be a tad different from yours, instead of a fully modular set, im planning out a vault... not decided if its going to be an abandoned vault or one in residence....

Anyhew, heres my second draft of the layout (moved a few rooms from the first draft so it makes a little more sense).

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I've ordered in another 20 sheets of 5mm A4 foamcore, but im getting it from a stockist (cheaper) so it may be a little over a week before it gets here, I have 5 sheets already, so I will get the floor plan layed out ready for the walls.

Let me know if you have any suggestions for extgensions or remodelling the current plan... it is, after all, still a draft.

Key:
1 Exit ramp
2 Garage
3 Vault enterance
4 Security/armoury
5 Marketplace
6 Hab block 1
7 Storage
8 Water treatment plant
9 Hab block 2
10 Storage

Im considering moving hab block 1 a little to the right and moving the garage up a bit so I can put in a long aquaduct that runs along the whole vault (touching the water treatment plant), or I may just make the plant longer and put it in further down...

Im also considering turning the ramp into an exit road, cutting out the current vault entrance, extending the corridor there forther left and making a single large enterance/exit for both foot and vehicles (so I can build an impressive vault seal door).
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Mr. Clean
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I think modular is the way to go on a project like this.

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Mal
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I'll be making each section seperatey and only attaching them to each other with sleeves, so in a way it will be modular, but the overall project will have a set floor plan.
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mgentile7
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Keep it modular and i think youll be happier in the end. The variety really does help.
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mattblackgod
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Mal - I am glad to inspire some madness in others! :D One tip if you plan to make tunnels like mine you may find they warp as there are no supports at the ends of the walls. Maybe a couple of lumps of balsa wedged into the tunnel ends whilst the paint dries would cure that?

I would suggest keeping the tunnel sections modular so you can make a different tunnel system/layout by linking them together. The rooms are not a real issue as long as you have some place to store them.

How about another Hab block or two? In FO3 some of the vaults have separate dorms for the sexes and maybe one for the children. Then there is the Overseers office too. You may need a medical wing, Canteen/common/rec room and possibly a lab area. Other thoughts include a machine room filled with power generators, air filtration & purification plant. The FO ones have a nuke generator in them too. There is also a school in FO3 vaults and one has a music room.

Do you plan many levels for a Umbrella Corp from Resident Evil or larger vault? I recommend lift rooms. Small room with double sliding doors would do. Of course you can reuse rooms on another level. So the water treatment can be power generation or air puricication. The marketplace the school or common room.

What about furnishings? Are you going to scratch them or buy resin? Is this going to be a metal plated wall vault or a concrete wall vault? What scale?
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Mal
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Thanks for the reply Danny...

I've alreayd considered the problem of warping walls, and my plan is to have a couple pieces of foam core cut to size to wedge between the walls to ensure they don't warp in and a couple big books outside the walls to ensure they don't warp out.

As you can see from my draft, there are a couple of tunnels that currently don't go anywhere, so extending the vault is simply a case of building more tunnels.
School, rec room and medical bay... I can definately see these being necessary, not sure about an overseers office, I may just have a couple desks in the armoury (planning on having half the room grated off with a security fence).

I'll likely build the furnishings myself, but if I can find a few reasonably priced nuggets... well who knows ;)

What I was considering doing is making part of a tunnel ouside the vault enterance, but rather than the square cut walls, have it looking like a rock formation.

I may make lower levels but not upper levels, however if I do make lower levels then i'll need to move the water treatment plant lower, or have a room underneath it for a pump room.

The walls will be concrete (its easier and cheaper), the scale 28mm (approx 2.5-3 inches tall for the walls).

I will put the sleves on the rooms rather then the tunnels so it can be rebuilt in a different pattern, but for the main vault (in my world) i'll keep the floor plan.
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Nice one. I have no doubt that your ideas will inspire more tunnel madness in me! :D I look forward to seeing how this develops.
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I like the rock looking outside of tunnel wall idea.
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Ninjamonkey73
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You can "shortcut" a lot of the "necessary" rooms and facilities by simply installing an Elevator. You can just say the other stuff is on a different level. ;)
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Mal
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Yeah but I want a tunnel system big enough to cover a 6x4 table... Im actually considering building 2 tunnel systems, an upper and a lower floor, each around 3x4 so I can play with both side by side.
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Interesting idea. My tunnel system should cover a 6 x 4 table. I need to get some time to get it set up for a game or three!
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Mal
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I've started construction on the connection tunnels now... nearly finished the first one, the one connecting the vault enterance to the security room, good learning experience starting with a moderately complicated one... had to modify my design a little to make the tunnels 1cm wider as they were very narrow... they are still only 5cm wide, but thats more than wide enough for a single mini, and I wanted a very clostrophobic feel to my tunnels.

I'll post a pic with a mini for scale once I got the rest of the walls up, it won't be painted yet however.
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Cool - will you be able to get your hands in if the walls are 75mm and they are 50mm wide? Mine are about 3" (75mm wide) with 2" (50cm) walls. I find that this is enough. My tunnels are supposed to be metro sized tunnels so they have to fit a train in there. :D
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Mal
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Heh, yeah, I was considering doing them 10cm wide for throughfare traffic (and I still may for the central passage) but I really wanted that closed in feeling for the place.

Ohh and the walls are only 2 inches tall, less the 5mm from the base so not all that much bigger than a 28mm mini, I was going to do taller walls, but didn't see the need... and in a single sheet of A4 foamcore I get 4 2 inch strips... so plenty of walls with minimum waste.
Edited by Mal, Jun 27 2010, 02:59 PM.
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Mal
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Right first pictures now uploaded!! please bare in mind that I only started working on this this morning... so its bare foamcore, no paint yet...

I only had 5 sheets of 5mm A4 here to start working with so I got as far as I can, most of the tunnels and rooms I have made have walls, but a couple don't.. and 1 has a wall missing... but I think I can scavange enough from my scraps to finish that last wall... just need to find a single piece large enough.

So heres an overhead shot of everything i've got done today, please compare it to the draft sketch for a better idea of the overall layout:
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And a few close ups:
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And a scale shot (I really need to get a better camera):
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And just to show that i've not put it all to waste... heres all thats left unused from 5 A4 sheets:
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Most of the off cuts will actually be used in some form or another in the finished project...

Thoughts?
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mattblackgod
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Looking good so far. What are your plans for doors?

I have a pile of foamboard trimmings too. Some I used as doors or to add some definition to walls. No other ideas as of yet.
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Mal
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Im going to put a thin sheet of plasticard over the doors (cut so its only 2-3mm in from the door edges on each side) then glue a thin strip of 5mm foam core (about 1mm less than plasticard) to that and then another strip of plasticard which will create a slot for a door to fit into. Plus using thin plasticard for the door supports means that they will be flexiable and less likely to go brittle and break.
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Very nice start Mal! Is there a reason why you have to buy only A4 size form core?

This tunnel terrain might be building into a forum challenge... again, I'm actually thinking about construction possibilites. Yeah, right, Tinker getting off his arse and doing something!!
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well, some of the things that i would consider adding to your basic layout would be;


a. multiple large entrance/exits capable of supporting vehicular traffic.


b. consider having vehicle parking/storage and maintenance facilities near each of these entrance/exits.


c. freight handling equipment and warehousing facilities close at hand.


d. security checkpoints that provide control of these vital areas, including robot or remote controlled weapons turrets.


e. several smaller emergency exits (basically vertical shafts with attached ladder rungs/safety cage and platforms that would allow climbers to take a break during the climb to the surface, or to stage gear or equipment, during the climb, and concealed surface exits). of course these would have security checkpoints controlling them inside the complex, and would be alarmed around the clock with monitoring being done at SECURITY CENTRAL.


f. a confinement block or two as well as control stations to allow entrance/exit to/from same. confinement block would also have its own medical/dental facilities.


g. power plant and power plant control center. back up auxiliary power generator rooms and POL storage tankage for them.


h. environmental control center where the facility's lights, heating/cooling systems, air/water recycling, and bio waste processing plants are located. also machinery rooms/pump rooms as needed.


i. exercise areas, swimming pool, and gymnasiums for the all occupants.


j. secure training facilities for the use of security/fire/rescue personnel only.


k. separate housing block for single and married SECURITY personnel with families.


k. strategically placed and secured access SECURITY/FIRE/RESCUE stations through out the facility where needful things are kept as well as public access EMERGENCY FIRE/RESCUE equipment, tools, and stores are maintained.


l. a separate medical/dental/laboratory center with all needed facilities as well as a small hospital block.


m. a secure admin/operations block from which the day to day and emergency operations of the facility can be controlled/coordinated. this would include an operations center for outside vault activities and missions.


n. age specific entertainment/ recreational areas as well as common recreation areas.

o. maintenance, manufacturing, and repair areas for the facility.


p. a TRAVELLER style cryrogenics/stasis facility with enough room for all of the planned occupants to go into cold sleep. this facility would be monitored and serviced by robots controlled by the installation's AI.


q. a restricted and well protected block that houses the facility's AI and all of the defense and service robots.


r. a secured reservoir where the umpteen gallons of potable water is stored for use by facility occupants.


these are some of the things that cam immediately to my mind.


DAWGIE


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That's quite a list Dawgie!!
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