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Amercia breaking apart in 2010?; oh my.
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Just Another Raider	Jan 22 2009, 01:44 AM Post #1
Raider King Posts: 985 Group: Members Member #49 Joined: Sep 30, 2008	Woah. 1, this would make a preety good wargame setting.

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Just Another Raider	Jan 23 2009, 02:27 PM Post #21
Raider King Posts: 985 Group: Members Member #49 Joined: Sep 30, 2008	Well, if you played the Video Game Far Cry 2, then it's like that. Most Mercs are stranted there, so there trying to make the best of it.



Just Another Raider	Jan 23 2009, 02:28 PM Post #22
Raider King Posts: 985 Group: Members Member #49 Joined: Sep 30, 2008	Well, if you played the Video Game Far Cry 2, then it's like that. Most Mercs are stranted there, so there trying to make the best of it.



Earl of the North	Jan 23 2009, 02:38 PM Post #23
John, Earl of the North, Guardian of the sacred tinned goods Posts: 423 Group: Members Member #54 Joined: Nov 5, 2008	Never played Far Cry 2, seens some clips though... If the US collapsed like that, you would have lots of interest from your neighbours in your natural resources and lots of armd hungry, desperate individuals and groups who would be available for hire. Of course that assuming the rest of the world isn't totally screwed up at the same time, in which case everybody is to busy trying to survive rather than governments moving in to snatch resources while the US is trying to rebuild. Edited by Earl of the North, Jan 23 2009, 02:41 PM.



Just Another Raider	Jan 23 2009, 03:07 PM Post #24
Raider King Posts: 985 Group: Members Member #49 Joined: Sep 30, 2008	well, i'm guessing some othe nations might have some trouble, exxpecially if they Rely on the US for things.



RavenFeast	Jan 23 2009, 06:04 PM Post #25
Mutant Hunter Posts: 1,451 Group: Members Member #5 Joined: Aug 3, 2008	I could see the country fragmenting like CRIMSON SKIES: [ Crude Crimson Skies Map ] forming smaller unions but still retaining some semblance of normalcy. Always had a problem with the "US being divided up" story done as anything other than during a "world war" or "war of the worlds", because that's the sort of resources which would be needed to get the job done. Invading the U.S. is always a problem as it's big - really big and, NO, it's not completely paved over with superhighways going everywhere - requiring huge logistical support stung out over hundreds of miles. Most of the parts with natural resources worth taking are "gun friendly" and would be rife with guerilla activity. Not to mention we are currently experiencing the interdependency of the world's economy even at local levels, so if the U.S. suddenly stops buying everything, the rest of the world will be in no condition to invade a nuclear armed former world power. I though the old rpg TWILIGHT: 2000 dealt with this rather well. If the internal transport of goods suddenly stops, most major cities in the US will run out of food in less than a week, with New York City taking only 3 days - this assumes there isn't a huge loss of population to go along with the collapse of the shipping industry like in most PA or Zombie backgrounds. Those who are unable or unwilling to fight during the event will be removed from the equation with extreme prejudice by those who can and will. I would hope the surviving military and law enforcement would set up in the suburban or even near-rural areas as the defacto "government", using the various military bases as regional or even local centers of authority allowing them to coordinate their efforts, and deal harshly with any minivan full of gang-bangers from the now starving cities heading out into the suburbs looking for food & fun. YMMV. Edited by RavenFeast, Jan 23 2009, 06:06 PM.



mattblackgod	Jan 24 2009, 01:30 PM Post #26
Big boss warlord dude! Posts: 15,702 Group: Admins Member #1 Joined: Jul 22, 2008	I have seen this sort of background before. I am not too sure of the splits or who would get what. But I cannot see chinese or mexican influneces in the state split. There would be some UK and Europeian influneces in the used to be states. Canada might even pull in one or two of the northern states. Russia might take Alaska back if Canada doesnt despute the territory. The only way for countries to really influence these states is by direct intervention/invasion. Socio-economic apoclayse is interesting but as I see it social order and rebuilding will occur after massive rioting and civil wars. It would quickly become fuedal with those strong enough to protect their rescources becoming new lords and masters. Who controls the cows, crops, gold and oil will benefit. This might happen for a while - with the USA becoming like medieval europe. Pretty soon certain states will start producing money and rebuild. The outside world will all be gagging for a bit of the action. I can see Israel, Europe/UK (the UK might act alone or independantly), Russia, Japan and neighbours such as Mexico, Cuba and Canada all sending forces to keep the peace. Of course it might be just a cunning way of grabbing some land. China/Russia might decide to do a full scale invasion taking advantage of the chaos to ensure an old enemy doesnt rise again. Or the Commonwealth (UK, Canada, Austriala, New Zeland) might decide to expand its influence and offer the disinterated states support (and english speaking troops) if they join as friends under the crown.



Just Another Raider	Jan 24 2009, 03:06 PM Post #27
Raider King Posts: 985 Group: Members Member #49 Joined: Sep 30, 2008	Huh....have'nt thought about that....



Earl of the North	Jan 24 2009, 06:08 PM Post #28
John, Earl of the North, Guardian of the sacred tinned goods Posts: 423 Group: Members Member #54 Joined: Nov 5, 2008	That reminds me of the wasteland warrior (THW) game, one of the main factions was Feudal.........I was leaning towards this with the Full Thrust timeline add on, although I had a multi-state 'nation' most were simply the state governors using their national guards as private armies and setting up their own nations. Although most of the private kingdoms collapsed pretty quickly, mainly because I was limited by having to fit it into the offical timeline and have it end with the creation of the NAC. Edited by Earl of the North, Jan 24 2009, 06:10 PM.



Just Another Raider	Jan 24 2009, 08:54 PM Post #29
Raider King Posts: 985 Group: Members Member #49 Joined: Sep 30, 2008	do you still have that timeline?



Ross	Jan 24 2009, 10:54 PM Post #30
Wasteland Warlord Posts: 5,396 Group: Members Member #2 Joined: Jul 24, 2008	I can see Oz doing one of two things in a situation like that. We'd either come closer to the UK for support or finally take that big step and become independent (a few years back the nation did a vote to choose if we'd stay part of the monarchy or become independent, the result? We're still part of the monarchy).



Earl of the North	Jan 24 2009, 11:12 PM Post #31
John, Earl of the North, Guardian of the sacred tinned goods Posts: 423 Group: Members Member #54 Joined: Nov 5, 2008	Just Another Raider Jan 24 2009, 08:54 PM do you still have that timeline? If you mean the Full Thrust timeline.......yes its post number 11 on this thread. The multi state nation was the Texan Republic (mainly because of the later) Free CalTex faction which later re-takes the same area. This was the group who broke away first, fought the hardest (many joining the LLAR rather than surrendering and was eventually forced of earth when the LLAR were driven off planet) but then returned to successfully breakaway from the NAC. Only others named were the People's Republic of Alaska and the Hawaiian Free State which were out of the main fighting , PRA was invaded by UK/Canadian forces to prevent it falling to the Chinese and the HFS largely sat the war out, sold off the Pacific fleet and then waited for the UK/Canadians to arrive. The rest I thought would be much smaller, not least since the UK/Canadian forces have to mop them up pretty quickly in the timeline. Edited by Earl of the North, Jan 24 2009, 11:19 PM.



Just Another Raider	Jan 24 2009, 11:21 PM Post #32
Raider King Posts: 985 Group: Members Member #49 Joined: Sep 30, 2008	Oh so confusing... and when they got ushed off of earth, did they invade earth?



Earl of the North	Jan 24 2009, 11:40 PM Post #33
John, Earl of the North, Guardian of the sacred tinned goods Posts: 423 Group: Members Member #54 Joined: Nov 5, 2008	Cut down, once the Anglian Confederation is formed (UK, Canada & ex-US) is formed the League of Latin American Republics declares war and get royally by the AC. In 2072 after fifteen years of war The LLAR sues for peace in the War of the Americas and cedes all territories in North and Central America to the Anglian Confederation. The LLAR looks to space as a means of expansion. Then in 2098 Conflict again between the Anglian Confederation and the LLAR as border clashes escalate into all out war. Within two years the LLAR loses all possessions on Earth. Survivors of the League government and its supporters flee to the small Brazilian colony on Santa Rico. The LLAR is pretty much a footnote from then on, really only gets mentioned because of it's mercenaries. The AC becomes the NAC (when the new is added after they set up off world colonies). Then in 2159, Two years after the 2nd Solar War California and Texas declare themselves independent from the NAC, and claim all rights to the colonies on Austin and Fenris (which they rename New Pasadena). After much diplomatic protest and sabre rattling, plus a few token military strikes, the NAC accepts the declaration and the FCT (Free Cal-Tex) is formed. There's is no real details on why the NAC allowed the FCT to split its Terran territories and establish itself. Edited by Earl of the North, Jan 24 2009, 11:57 PM.



Earl of the North	Jan 24 2009, 11:44 PM Post #34
John, Earl of the North, Guardian of the sacred tinned goods Posts: 423 Group: Members Member #54 Joined: Nov 5, 2008	This is a map of Earth, once all the terran factions are formed. http://s194.photobucket.com/albums/z6/Praetor12/?action=view&current=GZGMap-1.gif bigger view here, just click on full size. All the offical info comes from the GZG rule books: Full Thrust, Dirtside and Stargrunt II, good thing is there all free to download from here http://www.groundzerogames.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=category&sectionid=9&id=29&Itemid=50. Edited by Earl of the North, Jan 25 2009, 12:03 AM.



Just Another Raider	Jan 25 2009, 12:05 AM Post #35
Raider King Posts: 985 Group: Members Member #49 Joined: Sep 30, 2008	cool



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