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| Smogon; Like it or loathe it? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: May 1 2010, 08:46 PM (2,005 Views) | |
| Silva Velazquez | May 1 2010, 08:46 PM Post #1 |
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Well, it is quite unfortunate that Smogon is like the ruling body of competitive battling. However, there will be two kinds of people when the topic arises about the Nazi Koffing. There will be a side who believe that Smogon is great and they truly deserve to be the potentates of competitive battling. On the other side, there will be people who loathe it. This is a topic where we are exclusively going to talk about Smogon's greatness or autocracy. Silva Velazquez's opinion Smogon is the most autocratic Pokemon community whom I've ever seen. Even after having around 20000 members in their forum, they're still greedy for more and they are really jealous of Serebii's member count. Not that Serebii is any better but I'm just pointing out something. They never let other communities grow especially when certain mods think that they've done a great favour to Smogon when they've banned a person for requesting a person to join his/her community even without revealing the forum's name and link. Besides, that one member joining a forum won't cause any difference to them. People will still move into their community like flocks and continue to increase their member count. Smogon is a highly immature community where they have administrators' photographs instead of emoticons in their box. Then, they encourage spam with a forum name "Trou Du Cul" where all funny/useless topics come in. In fact, a person who wants to become notorious instead of becoming famous, this is an encouragement where that member will randomly create a spam topic and it will get transferred to Trou. Most of the topics there are of this kind. Smogon is an extremely hostile and a biased community. The members there simply keep flattering the administrators. When an outside member or a minnow questions an administrator, the immediate response of the members with 800 posts would be, "Don't be immature", "Don't behave like a noob", "Admin doesn't do anything wrong", "Think before you post", etc. Then, for the case bias, have a look at their tournaments. Sonius is the most biased tournament director(as far as I know). Thank the stars that there aren't much of them. If you see their coin toss decisions when there are GMT problems, it is always their favourite who wins it or Sonius' friend. I was a victim of this in ST #5. Then, their tier system makes quite some sense but not much. Well, the tier "Uber" is fine but after that, categorisation is not needed. If you see that a Pokemon is "Over Used" then it only encourages a Pokemon to get more and more overused and thus almost sidelining the others. Then, the so called ADV experts start blaming the DP metagame for its Over centralisation and start discouraging the other members in their community/ friend circle to play this game. There are many excellent underused Pokemons such as Sceptile Tangrowth, Drapion, Milotic, etc who can actually perform very well even in OU. Overall, my opinion is that Smogon is a terrible community and it highly favours the members from the nationalities similar to that of the administrators(US, Canada). No European is benefited from it especially the ones living in the east. ~Silva Velazquez |
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| Jorge | May 1 2010, 10:24 PM Post #2 |
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I don't think they're really jealous of anyone at all. I think they're a really good community. They have a really well-built forum with many useful content and they try and keep competitive battling alive and it's a great place for people who battle competitively. You shouldn't really loathe a forum, it's just a forum. If you don't like it, just don't join it. But what I am sure of is that there are many people who like it, as they're one of the top Pokemon communities. Also, there are MANY forums on the internet that just don't like advertising. You as so much mention your forum's name and an encouragement to join, and they will ban you or something. Yes, it's a bit exaggerated but it's probably because they don't want people going off to their competition. And, just because people spam and post funny and 'senseless' things rather than a lot of serious things is just the identity of the board. Like I said, if you don't like the forum or its community, just don't join it. I'm sure a lot of the members there like being and posting on the forum. As I said on your other topic, you shouldn't really take the tiers to heart. I mean, you can still make a powerful team including UU pokemon as long as they have good synergy and all that other stuff. Besides, those are just their tiers for competitive battling. No one is forcing you to follow their tiers. Just go to another forum or something. Edited by Jorge, May 1 2010, 10:37 PM.
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| brian | May 1 2010, 11:45 PM Post #3 |
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you're an idiot, oh my god :/ I cringed at this post. You're calling them racist assholes who use correct tiers? How does that make them a bad community? You clearly HAVE NOT been paying competitively for very long, because that's PRECISELY what competitive players are. Assholes. Now, don't get me wrong, I hate smogon. But you're just jealous and hating them for the wrong reasons. Because their emoticons are the admins? That's fucking hilarious. In any case, who gives a shit? Nobody. Smogon is bad because all its done is shove bog standard up everyone's asses, that the metagame is entirely composed of smogon movesets. Oh, and the same pokemon, on EVERY team. I go out of my way to make a team with movesets I thought through, as well as EVs, and smogon just tosses that and throws lolspecslatias in my face like a monkey with shit. Smogon is bad because I can 6-0 all of their top players, and then get banned when I do. Smogon is bad because when I try to give advice to someone who's struggling, the mod tells me to fuck off and learn how to play, then bans me. That's why they're bad. Competitive pokemon has nothing to do with your polite little definition of what a forum should be (which is hypocritical at best), it's just a bunch of douchebags calling each other faggots and complaining about hax and luck in the game. |
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| Genghis Khan | May 2 2010, 12:03 AM Post #4 |
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I lol'd. |
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| Sir Zebra | May 2 2010, 12:18 AM Post #5 |
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secret buddha balls
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edit: oops, I read this as shoddy instead of smogon. fuck I was tired.
Edited by Sir Zebra, May 2 2010, 12:27 PM.
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| Silva Velazquez | May 2 2010, 12:44 AM Post #6 |
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Agreed. Even I don't like it. But people like Arin and Hector could advertise TU on the Smogon server just because they had some posts in Smogon, were tutors and according to those Smogon people, they're good. They actually even PMed TU link to every member in the main server and got members(I don't know whether you've experienced while I certainly have). Actually, I getting banned for coming in with a tag(they no longer ban people for that reason) and if someone comes in with TU tag, nothing is done to them. This is why I hate them. They don't treat everyone equally. The text that I've marked generally becomes big(it was happening around six months ago and I do not know whether it still happens) when you keep browsing in their forum without logging in/ registering. Isn't this reason enough to say that they're jealous of Serebii's huge member count? ![]()
If I'm right, none of my comments are racist. One more thing that I wish to say is that I don't say that their tiers are wrong but I believe that tiering Pokemons like this is wrong. Uber is the only correct tier. Then, I quoted their emoticon example only to say that they're immature. I may not bother but there are many people who like a forum mainly because of its emoticons.
Hating them for the first reason that you've mentioned is probably even worse than mine. The second reason is acceptable because they do it during my NB days in ADV but I've also defeated top Smogon battlers and I've never been banned for that. And your approach is wrong. 6-0 need not necessarily mean a good victory. Edited by Silva Velazquez, May 2 2010, 12:51 AM.
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| Sheed | May 2 2010, 12:58 AM Post #7 |
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Masta Gangsta
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Yes, Smogon is full of dicks, but this really isn't the right community to bitch to. There are people at Smogon in prominent positions that latch on to an idea and regard to it as absolute truth once they start winning with it. That sucks. The fact that RMT discussion is limited to either: 'hey, you're team's different than mine, conform' or bitching over one move in a set sucks, but the fact of the matter is that they were the ones who put the most initial work into figuring out tiers, competitive movesets, and such, that now they are regarded as THE source for competitive battling. Yeah, that's a pretty outdated title, as smaller communities have advanced the game much further. But here's why you're complaining in the wrong spot: we really just don't care enough here. There aren't enough competitive battlers here to make it worth the time making our own tiering system, and when we try to, its just a bitchfest about how Mike brings up an idea, I shoot it down, I bring up an idea, Brian shoots it down, Javi brings up an idea, his girlfriend slaps him and tells him to go to the kitchen. It's just not worth the time. |
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| brian | May 2 2010, 02:24 AM Post #8 |
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that last part was a joke, kid. And I doubt someone who argues tier lists can even make a decent team, let alone beat Earthworm, Gouki, IPL, panamaaxis, KG, etc. and shut up about 6-0 not being a good win. :/ The only people who say that are those who get 6-0'd and then have to make themselves feel better by jerking themselves off. also, re-read the fucking post. I said YOU'RE saying that SMOGON is racist. jesus christ man edit: and fact of the matter is, TU is a passable community. Players there are better than smogon (or at least the ones I know well enough). You coming in with a pokebeach bar isnt going to sit well. Edited by brian, May 2 2010, 02:26 AM.
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| Silva Velazquez | May 2 2010, 04:12 AM Post #9 |
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So according to you, if someone argues about the tier system, that person cannot be a good battler. At the outset, you did sound a bit aggressive but now you're beginning to sound a way too hilarious. I just opposed a principle. One more thing, I didn't till that 6-0 is not a good victory. What I'm trying to say is that it need not necessarily be a good victory. So when you consider all these small communities as "pokebeach bars", then you must sit in communities like Smogon or TU rather than hanging around in these bars. TU is not a "pokebeach bar" only because it had Smogon's support. |
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| Genghis Khan | May 2 2010, 12:36 PM Post #10 |
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fix you're grammar and stop trying to sound "deep." |
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| brian | May 2 2010, 04:18 PM Post #11 |
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lol God, you're just like every idiot on smogon trying to defend themselves, but then you're not quite as funny as them. According to me, when you say something stupid like tiers don't exist, then you're going to be a shitty player. Why? Because good players know that they do exist, but don't really hold back your team-making at all, so why argue? Jesus christ, did you actually try to quote me saying "pokebeach bars" like you're not? Haha. No, small communities can be AMAZING. The Pokemon Analysis and Poketheory ESPECIALLY. Those two websites held the best players I've ever seen (and more than just one game, mind you). People like katsura hung out there for chrissake. People like you are the people smogon uses in defense of my arguments. When I say that smogon can be beaten by smaller communities, people like you are used as an example, and I'll be sure to watch out for your name next time I tell imperfectluck. to fuck off. Edited by brian, May 2 2010, 04:19 PM.
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| Silva Velazquez | May 2 2010, 09:03 PM Post #12 |
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I'm not a native English speaker and so I can't help occasional Grammar errors. It is brian who has been trying to sound deep. |
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| Shaun | May 2 2010, 09:10 PM Post #13 |
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No need to apologise, this is a Pokemon forum not an English class. |
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| Xepher | May 2 2010, 09:31 PM Post #14 |
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.: Opheliac :.
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This topic is great xD Sites like Smogon can be defeated by smaller, more original sites. Using standard and over used sets gets really old and predictable. Unpredictability is key, imo. Just the other day, I was running a lead Scarfpert. Did it rape? Yes it did. Did people ever expect something like that? I don't really think so lol |
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| Shaun | May 2 2010, 09:39 PM Post #15 |
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I agree.^ I was in an Uber battle and had Mew start off with Splash. Bitch did not see it coming. |
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