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Poke Portal Tier List Discussion
Topic Started: Jun 22 2009, 03:37 PM (350 Views)
TheOedipusRex	Jun 22 2009, 11:01 PM Post #41
1st Grand Champion of The Gym Leader Castle Posts: 414 Group: PokeMods Member #212 Joined: Jun 19, 2009	I agree with Sheed. So as for now in the general PP list the Uber list is the same as Smogon's list but Wynaut is in the OU Tier being suspect tested. Agreed?
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Xepher	Jun 22 2009, 11:02 PM Post #42
_m3dic_ Posts: 1,554 Group: Head Admin Member #6 Joined: Jan 17, 2008	I may not know much about sorting Pokemon into tiers, but I do want to have fun using different Pokemon instead of the same ol' same ol'. Besides... I've never really seen anyone use Mew in OU. Maybe that's because i don't play much, but I have never seen. But it's whatever lol Mew uber. Lets get that OU list going.
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purapura	Jun 22 2009, 11:04 PM Post #43
purapura Posts: 317 Group: Members Member #208 Joined: Jun 16, 2009	Xepher Jun 22 2009, 11:02 PM I may not know much about sorting Pokemon into tiers, but I do want to have fun using different Pokemon instead of the same ol' same ol'. Besides... I've never really seen anyone use Mew in OU. Maybe that's because i don't play much, but I have never seen. But it's whatever lol Mew uber. Lets get that OU list going. I don't doubt we can have a whatever tourney at any time



TheOedipusRex	Jun 22 2009, 11:05 PM Post #44
1st Grand Champion of The Gym Leader Castle Posts: 414 Group: PokeMods Member #212 Joined: Jun 19, 2009	If a was going to put an OU Pokemon into Ubers, it would probably be Latias.
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Sheed	Jun 23 2009, 06:27 PM Post #45
Jesus Himself Posts: 3,660 Group: PokeMods Member #8 Joined: Jan 17, 2008	OP updated for OU/BL discussion. Let me know if I missed a Pokemon on Smogon's list, it's entirely possible.
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TheOedipusRex	Jun 23 2009, 06:31 PM Post #46
1st Grand Champion of The Gym Leader Castle Posts: 414 Group: PokeMods Member #212 Joined: Jun 19, 2009	For me the only Pokemon on the debatable OU is Wynaut, and I'm already fine with play testing with it to see how it is in OU. Besides that, as for now, I feel that the OU list is fine. Edited by TheOedipusRex, Jun 23 2009, 06:31 PM.
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TheOedipusRex	Jun 23 2009, 09:37 PM Post #47
1st Grand Champion of The Gym Leader Castle Posts: 414 Group: PokeMods Member #212 Joined: Jun 19, 2009	Bump and I found 3 more Pokemon I might consider viable for OU. Crobat, Honchkrow, and Shaymin
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Sheed	Jun 23 2009, 09:42 PM Post #48
Jesus Himself Posts: 3,660 Group: PokeMods Member #8 Joined: Jan 17, 2008	TheOedipusRex Jun 23 2009, 09:37 PM Bump and I found 3 more Pokemon I might consider viable for OU. Crobat, Honchkrow, and Shaymin Well, when we get to UU, we can discuss changes we might make with those guys. Right now, I want to get a definitive OU list hammered out.
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TheOedipusRex	Jun 23 2009, 09:44 PM Post #49
1st Grand Champion of The Gym Leader Castle Posts: 414 Group: PokeMods Member #212 Joined: Jun 19, 2009	well are there any changes you would consider making to the OU list?
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purapura	Jun 23 2009, 09:45 PM Post #50
purapura Posts: 317 Group: Members Member #208 Joined: Jun 16, 2009	TheOedipusRex Jun 23 2009, 09:37 PM Bump and I found 3 more Pokemon I might consider viable for OU. Crobat, Honchkrow, and Shaymin I lol'd.



TheOedipusRex	Jun 23 2009, 09:46 PM Post #51
1st Grand Champion of The Gym Leader Castle Posts: 414 Group: PokeMods Member #212 Joined: Jun 19, 2009	why lol?
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purapura	Jun 23 2009, 09:49 PM Post #52
purapura Posts: 317 Group: Members Member #208 Joined: Jun 16, 2009	TheOedipusRex Jun 23 2009, 09:46 PM why lol? 'cause you put honchcrow there



TheOedipusRex	Jun 23 2009, 09:52 PM Post #53
1st Grand Champion of The Gym Leader Castle Posts: 414 Group: PokeMods Member #212 Joined: Jun 19, 2009	I think you misunderstood what I was saying. Its not that Honchkrow would be good in OU, it's that he is too good for UU so he should be in OU.
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Sheed	Jun 23 2009, 09:56 PM Post #54
Jesus Himself Posts: 3,660 Group: PokeMods Member #8 Joined: Jan 17, 2008	I have my opinions, which I'll edit into this post tonight. Not a whole lot of changes in mind.
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Endy	Jun 23 2009, 10:03 PM Post #55
uhhh Posts: 2,524 Group: Members Member #33 Joined: Jan 19, 2008	The only two I've seen right now that I'm considering for OU, would probably be Crobat and Shaymin. I'll edit though if I find something else...
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purapura	Jun 23 2009, 10:07 PM Post #56
purapura Posts: 317 Group: Members Member #208 Joined: Jun 16, 2009	TheOedipusRex Jun 23 2009, 09:52 PM I think you misunderstood what I was saying. Its not that Honchkrow would be good in OU, it's that he is too good for UU so he should be in OU. I got that. =/ But even if he WAS too good for UU, that would put him on BL.



TheOedipusRex	Jun 23 2009, 10:23 PM Post #57
1st Grand Champion of The Gym Leader Castle Posts: 414 Group: PokeMods Member #212 Joined: Jun 19, 2009	I see what your saying but we were trying to cut down on the number of Pokemon in Bl. In practice OU and BL are the same thing. Both OU and BL can be used in Standard Matches and both OU and BL cannot be used in UU Matches. My point was that they might be getting out of UU.
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Overthrown	Jun 30 2009, 11:53 PM Post #58
Suicide Rocket Posts: 396 Group: Members Member #104 Joined: Feb 2, 2008	TheOedipusRex Jun 23 2009, 09:52 PM I think you misunderstood what I was saying. Its not that Honchkrow would be good in OU, it's that he is too good for UU so he should be in OU. Hmm... Smogon puts Honchkrow in the "Limbo" category, doesn't it? It's not either, if we're going by Smogon List. Limbo is the tier for long-forgotten poke'mon never used. Ever. Even if he is good, if we play by the smogon rules of tier listing, he is UU eligable. Unless we're changing that.
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Endy	Jul 1 2009, 12:07 AM Post #59
uhhh Posts: 2,524 Group: Members Member #33 Joined: Jan 19, 2008	Overthrown Jun 30 2009, 11:53 PM TheOedipusRex Jun 23 2009, 09:52 PM I think you misunderstood what I was saying. Its not that Honchkrow would be good in OU, it's that he is too good for UU so he should be in OU. Hmm... Smogon puts Honchkrow in the "Limbo" category, doesn't it? It's not either, if we're going by Smogon List. Limbo is the tier for long-forgotten poke'mon never used. Ever. Even if he is good, if we play by the smogon rules of tier listing, he is UU eligable. Unless we're changing that. I would agree here. Just make him UU. I thought at a time that NU might be the resting place for him...dunno why.
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TheOedipusRex	Jul 3 2009, 03:25 PM Post #60
1st Grand Champion of The Gym Leader Castle Posts: 414 Group: PokeMods Member #212 Joined: Jun 19, 2009	This is the tiering system I advocate: Spoiler: click to toggle Proposed Tier System Ban List 1 (BL1) This is the conventional Uber Tier. A Pokemon should be in Ban List 1 if it is ~~ Broken in Format 1 ~~ Broken in Format 2 Format 1 (F1) This is the conventional Overused Tier. A Pokemon should be in Format 1 if it is ~~ Broken in Format 2 ~~ Not Broken in Format 1 Ban List 2 (BL2) This is the conventional Borderline Tier. A Pokemon should be in Ban List 2 if it is ~~ Broken in Format 2 ~~ Not broken in Format 1 ~~ It would be one of the weakest of Format 1 and thus would show a good distinction between the power of Pokemon in Format 1 and Format 2. Format 2 (F2) This is the conventional Underused Tier. A Pokemon should be in Format 2 if it is ~~ Not included in Ban List 1 ~~ Not included in Format 1 ~~ Not included in Ban List 2 * Ban List 1 and Ban List 2 represent a minority of all Pokemon. Although there are no positive or negative quotas for the amount of Pokemon in each independent list, both lists should be independently as small as possible while still confirming with their respective definitions and the definitions of Format 1 and Format 2. * Format 1 and Format 2 represent a majority of all Pokemon. Although there are no positive or negative quotas for the amount of Pokemon in each independent formats, both formats should be independently as large as possible while still confirming with their respective definitions and the definitions of Ban List 1 and Ban List 2. * All of the above tiers only include the highest evolution of each species. All Pokemon that are not fully evolved are put into a separate classification called "Not Fully Evolved" (NFE). A Pokemon can be argued out of their NFE classification and suspect tested into a tier. For example, under this system Wynaut would be classified as NFE and Wobbufett would theoretically be in Ban List 1. Wynaut could be argued and suspect tested into Ban List 1, or Format 1, or Ban List 2. * The term "suspect" was used in the previous paragraph. A suspect is a Pokemon who is being considered for being moved into another tier or into a tier from a NFE classification. Suspect testing is when the suspect is play tested out in the tier it may be moved into. Based on the results of the battles and the suspect's performance in those battles the suspect testers, the people play testing the suspect, will vote on to change the Pokemon's tier/classification. If a super majority of 2/3rds of the suspect testers vote for the change in the suspects tier/classification it's tier/classification is changed. If that super majority is not reached then the another vote will be taken about if to continue suspect testing. If the super majority of 2/3rds of the suspect testers vote continue testing the suspect testing will continue. If that majority is not reached then the testing ends. This pattern continues until the suspect's tier/classification is changed or testing ends. Only one suspect per metagame may be tested at a time. Suspect testing rules can also apply to testing new or changing existing clauses. Broken was used a lot in the definitions in the above Tier System. The following explains in further light what the definition of broken is. Definition of "Broken" A Pokemon is broken if that Pokemon has any number of the following characteristics: Offensive Characteristic: A Pokémon is broken if, in common battle conditions, it is capable of sweeping through a significant portion of teams, of the format in question, with little effort. Defensive Characteristic: A Pokémon is broken if, in common battle conditions, it is able to wall and stall out a significant portion of the teams, of the format in question, with little effort. Support Characteristic: A Pokémon is broken if, in common battle conditions, it can, with little effort, consistently set up a situation in which it makes it substantially easier for other Pokemon to sweep or stall a significant portion of the teams of the format in question. Now that that is out of the way, my proposed Tier System would create 6 metagames: Metagames in this Tier System Unlimited Metagame Pokemon from the following tiers and classifications may be used in this metagame ~ Ban List 1 ~ Format 1 ~ Ban List 2 ~ Format 2 ~ NFE Standard Metagame Pokemon from the following tiers and classifications may be used in this metagame ~ Format 1 ~ Ban List 2 ~ Format 2 ~ NFE Limited Metagame Pokemon from the following tiers and classifications may be used in this metagame ~ Format 2 ~ NFE Suspect Unlimited Metagame Pokemon from the following tiers and classifications may be used in this metagame ~ Ban List 1 ~ Format 1 ~ Ban List 2 ~ Format 2 ~ NFE ~ The suspect going under testing Suspected Standard Metagame Pokemon from the following tiers and classifications may be used in this metagame ~ Format 1 ~ Ban List 2 ~ Format 2 ~ NFE ~ The suspect going under testing Suspect Limited Metagame Pokemon from the following tiers and classifications may be used in this metagame ~ Format 2 ~ NFE ~ The suspect going under testing. Rules for all Offical Poke Portal Battles ~ Evasion Clause ~ Freeze Clause ~ OHKO Clause ~ Sleep Clause ~ Soul Dew Clause ~ Deep Sea Tooth Clause ~ Species Clause ~ Strict Damage Clause ~ Timed Battle Clause Based on this system, the discussion in this thread, and the idea that all suspects are innocent until proven guilty, I recommend the follow tierings: Spoiler: click to toggle Ban List 1 Arceus Darkrai Deoxys Deoxys-A Deoxys-D Dialga Giratina Giratina-O Groudon Ho-oh Kyogre Lugia Mewtwo Palkia Rayquaza Deoxys-S Garchomp Latios Manaphy Mew Shaymin-S Wynaut Wobbuffet Format 1 Aerodactyl Alakazam Azelf Blissey Breloom Bronzong Celebi Cresselia Donphan Dugtrio Dragonite Dusknoir Electivire Empoleon Flygon Forretress Gengar Gliscor Gyarados Heatran Heracross Hippowdon Infernape Jirachi Jolteon Kingdra Latias Lucario Machamp Magnezone Mamoswine Metagross Ninjask Porygon-Z Rhyperior Rotom-C Rotom-F Rotom-H Rotom-S Rotom-W Salamence Scizor shitrmory Smeargle Snorlax Starmie Suicune Swampert Tentacruel Togekiss Tyranitar Vaporeon Weavile Wynaut Suspect Zapdos Edited by TheOedipusRex, Jul 3 2009, 03:44 PM.
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