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Topic Started: Dec 5 2012, 10:21 PM (676 Views)
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Cipher
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Dec 7 2012, 10:19 PM
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Post by: Cypher Date: XXXX-XX-XX at 13:27
@ AdrenalineJunkie:
I suppose I was merely stating my own opinion about stopping the trial. Though I suppose the way I said it did sound odd..
Anyway, you're right. The people that make up society... they are what make it truly rotten. I suppose discussing this is indeed pointless, though I would like to meet you face to face some day. Your way of speaking as well as your views have intrigued me.
Back to the topic on hand now:
Why should we sacrifice someone if it only postpones the murders? He'll just keep going until everyone on his list is exhausted, and it's likely he'll keep going beyond that as he makes new enemies.
So let him deal with these people himself.
Edited by Cipher, Dec 7 2012, 10:23 PM.
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The One True Nobody
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Dec 7 2012, 10:27 PM
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Post by: TheTwoCannedAdrenalineJunkie Date: XXXX-XX-XX at 13:30
@Cypher - You wanna meet up? PM me after this Nutjob Watanabe bullshit's done and over with, and maybe we'll talk. I'm not going anywhere until then, though, I'm not that fucking stupid.
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Dec 8 2012, 12:40 AM
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Post by: EnemyOfBothSides Date: XXXX-XX-XX at 13:33
Nakagawa Yu is a known name. You are no more guilty than anyone else, but you are guilty all the same.
Your pitiful lamentations have been heard, and perhaps bending is possible.
If one of your number so loves your fellows as to give up yourself to die, then my hand will be stayed for a time. Two months is too long, but longer than two weeks is acceptable.
Throw yourself into the pit, accept death.
If any of you die, it will be acceptable. Go to your destruction willingly, and accept the destruction of your body and mind.
None of you will. You all value your lives too much. Not one of you so loves your fellows to give your life for their sake, even if it would mean my death.
It is clear that no sacrifice will be made. You all value your pitiful lives so much, you all think yourselves so important, and so righteous, don't you? You think that defiance will get you anything more than devastation.
Only one person here is seeking the destruction of the ruins and their masters.
Only one person here is working to do what must be done.
Don't act as if you are any more justified than I. You can prevent what is going to happen. You can prevent further devastation. But can you sleep, knowing that your life could save countless others? Can you live, knowing that your mewling for continued existence is the price you paid for their deaths?
Don't act as if you're justified.
Don't act as if you have a right to any of this.
You may not have had any choice in your awakening, but every moment you continue to draw breath you lay claim to the power you possess. You've failed to stop me thus far, and you will continue to fail.
If any of you have a single decent bone in your bodies:
You will choose to die.
Accept your fate. For but one life, hundreds of others can be spared. By choosing not to, you condemn them to death.
As an alternative: If every single one of you declare you are not willing to give of yourself, if you admit that you are not righteous, I will stay my hand for twenty-four hours.
Otherwise, pray to whatever god you believe in that one of your number is braver than you.
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Cipher
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Dec 8 2012, 12:53 AM
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Post by: Cypher Date: XXXX-XX-XX at 13:37 via mobile phone.
You're a shameful oppurtunist! Murder will not bring you closer to your goals, if we're all going to die why not just accept your own demise HUH? Don't act as if we're justified?
We're not the ones killing people for some petty bullshit reasons here! How is it that giving sacrifices to the ruins and Shadows stops them? Explain that to me, explain your theory you sick and twisted bastard.
You speak of sacrifice and yet you are unwilling to sacrifice yourself for what you seem to deem the greater good!
Oh, wait you've got nothing and yet you claim to be justified. You're not sane.
If you feel that you're helping the situation, you're provoking them like a child!
I know I'm rambling on right now about nothing but these are my beliefs.
You fancy yourself a hero from the look of your post, but you're nothing more than a common criminal.
-Cypher.
(OOC: And thus, overdramatic Rei has made it onto Bedlam as well, and a not so stoic moment thrown in as well.)
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The One True Nobody
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Dec 8 2012, 01:05 AM
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Post by: TheTwoCannedAdrenalineJunkie Date: XXXX-XX-XX at 13:40
Righteous? Me?
Never claimed to be. What the bloody fuck gave you the idea that I thought I was? I don't go into the ruins looking for the truth or looking to hero my way to the end and save the world or whatever. I just go there to fight Shadows. That's all, that's it, that's everything. Or did the name "AdrenalineJunkie" not clue you in? I'm in it for the rush. Sure, I'm curious about the ruins, but who isn't? I'm not going to bullshit anyone about my reasons for doing what I do, least of all myself.
As for why I don't wanna die? I got friends in this world and too much unfinished business with all of 'em. I'm not about to cash in my chips until I've finished everything there is to finished, y'see? I can't die yet. But what gets me is how righteous you seem to think you are.
Causing all of this death? Why? Because you think collapsing the ruins will end everything? Is that what you're saying, by that "only one of us is working to do what must be done?" Dude, you're taking the fast, dirty, easy way if that's the case, and killing all these people in the process. What's more, you don't even know that collapsing the ruins will end the threat. What if doing that just lets the Shadows out? What then? Will you own up and claim responsibility for basically fucking everything up?
What's the matter, huh? Too much of a chickenshit to do the hard thing, to get strong enough to fight your way to and through the Shadows and their masters? Too much of a fucking pussy-ass bitch to work at a good ending? You'd rather, what, sink the whole goddamn city and everyone in it just to get rid of the ruins, instead of fighting to beat whatever's down there without mass death and destruction?
Where the fuck does all this self-righteous 'you are all hypocrites' stuff come from?! 'What needs to be done?' Bullshit! You're caving in the ruins, dropping people to certain death, and why? What's the point in saving the city from the Shadows if everyone fucking dies in the process? That's like blowing up the Earth to prevent it from falling into the control of alien invaders. Well, uh, sure, we sure showed them Martians, but we're kind of all dead now so what was the point?
Fuck you, Toru Watanabe. Fuck you and everything you stand for. It's not even as if giving my life would actually save anything, anyway. You'll just blow up the same spot and kill just as many people in a few weeks anyway, right? If I could kill myself and end you at the same time I just might do it. Unfortunately, I'm not a big enough shitting idiot to think I can, and what's more... I don't have to.
Someone will take you down. I know that because I have faith in my friends and fellow Persona-users.
Yeah, I said it. I believe in you guys.
So whatever you guys are gonna do, do it and kick this fucker's fucking ass when you do. Give him an extra boot up the rectum and tell him Kyo Charinko thinks he's a jackass. I know he's reading this now and already knows I said that, but it bears repeating.
- Kyo "Not Righteous, Very Much Attached To Life" Charinko
P.S. Do the world a favor and feed yourself to the Reaper, Toru Watanabe. If we're lucky, you might just make him choke and die. Think how many lives your one death would save, then!
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Dec 8 2012, 01:59 AM
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Post By: HiddenDragon777 Date: XXXX-XX-XX at 13:43
'Self-righteousness' is a big flaw of mine. I won't deny that. It seems to me, though, that it also describes you pretty well.
'Only one person here is seeking the destruction of the ruins and their masters'? 'Only one person here is working to do what must be done'? Really? You immediately decide cave-ins are the best and only option without evidence it'll do jack shit if not do more harm than it prevents, and suddenly because people disagree (or... not, actually. I don't recall you ever bringing the option up anywhere, or explaining much of anything about ), you think it's because you're the only one who knows better and demand we waste time killing each other and ourselves when we could be hunting shadows?
And what happens if you blowing holes in the ruins lets those masters just waltz out? Considering how far down and out the ruins stretch, there's going to be plenty of sections that won't be crushed from dropping the city; what will you do about those? What happens if Ms. Yellow is completely unharmed by a bunch of rocks? The danger is neatly contained in those ruins without a time limit except those imposed by idiots like you going out and killing people, blowing holes in that convenient little jail cell, and provoking the formation of more lynch mobs.
Question unrelated to your methods, though: How does delaying the next sink hole for less than two months save hundreds of lives? You flat out said you're going to do it anyways, just later. You know what could save thousands of lives? You not making sink holes. It costs you nothing, but instead you demand others die just to put it off. Which also seems to contradict your whole 'doing this for the greater good' thing. Hell, making sink holes in spread out, out of the way locations to encourage a city wide evac before going whole hog, just off the top of my head.
There's no words in history that have caused more senseless death than 'for the greater good' or 'it's the only way'.
[[OOC: Except maybe 'hey, hold my beer, I just had a great idea'.]]
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Dec 8 2012, 09:36 AM
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Post by: EnemyOfBothSides Date: XXXX-XX-XX at 14:00
My death is inevitable, you lot outnumber me 100 to 1, and some of you may indeed be stronger. My unwavering purpose and your collective power ensure my destruction.
I have made peace with that fact. Do not think that
You want to know why this is happening?
Because I have suffered indignity upon indignity at the hands of you and people like you:
I have been beaten, shot, stabbed, set aflame, lied to and manipulated, forced to live in the gloom of the ruins, starved, experimented upon, willfully and knowingly infected with a disease that has changed my flesh and wracked me with fevers and hungers that disgust me, denied help when maimed, judged, and my prior efforts at remuneration have been frustrated and led to further attacks upon my person.
All I have wanted is to be left alone. And yet this continues.
With that laundry list of suffering, any among you would be the wretch that I am now. I am not justified, none of us is. We are forced to live a life that none of us chose, and that is perhaps the greatest indignity. But my actions are necessary.
As for why the destruction of the ruins is a good idea, simple: the worst among you proposed it as a plan for dealing with the Reaper all those weeks ago, and it is soundly reasoned. They possess the destructive power to burst forth like a chick from an egg, and yet they haven't.
Ergo, they do not want it to happen.
Ergo, it is a suitable attack.
And if it isn't, it would be an honest admission to say I don't care. Read my name, and know that it is enough that it is something you don't want to happen.
Don't say that nothing was ever offered you. You have received options, which is more than any of you ever gave to me.
In short: Fuck you. Fuck you all. Fuck you all so goddamn hard.
Take the offer or don't.
But don't think that I'm such a spineless weakling that you will be allowed to behave in this fashion forever.
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Dec 8 2012, 10:13 AM
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Post By: DivineSword Date: XXXX-XX-XX at 15:43
If only I wasn't bound to my bed, immobilized by my injuries, I would happily deliver the justice that awaits you. As it stands, I have nothing but contempt for you.
You and your ilk, Enemy, are the cancer that have made Nagashima the bloated festering corpse of a city it is. All your justifications of a "greater good" are hollow. You're as much of a monster as Aleksandria or Kyomu or Miss Yellow.
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The One True Nobody
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Dec 8 2012, 10:28 AM
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Post by: TheTwoCannedAdrenalineJunkie Date: XXXX-XX-XX at 16:01
"Ergo, they do not want it to happen." Or maybe they just can't. Maybe destructive power isn't even what they need to do it.
But you know, Watanabe, I would totally have left you alone. I really would have. To each their own and all that. Hell, I might even have tried to help you if it weren't for all this sinkhole business, if it weren't for hurting and killing people. I'm not "righteous," but I like to think I'm at least a decent human being, and helping people is a decent thing to do, right?
Like my friend was trying to help you. Remember, Nutjob? She didn't know who you were, just that you were in the ruins and were in danger. She didn't want to fight. You were the one who pushed, pushed her away, forced me to do the only thing I knew how by jumping in like that.
Whatever your laundry list of suffering is--hell, you know what, I admit it, I'd probably be more than a bit fucked up after all that, too--in the end, you're the one collapsing parts of the city and killing people. If you stopped doing that, hell, I'd be all for trying to help. I think a lot of us would be, too. You probably had people who cared about you when this all started who feel nothing but a grim sort of pity at what you've become, and I'm sure they'd love to think they could stop you without killing you. If you reached out with something other than a murder-hand, hell, they might even reach out and take it. Possibly.
Hard to say. You've done so much bad, Watanabe. Real bad. The kind of bad that can't be took back, y'know?
Take my advice. Give it up, give yourself up, and ask for the motherfucking help you need. If you don't, then all that'll happen is you'll die and go down in history as that one crazy motherfucker who was trying to destroy the city because God-knows-why, just another supervillain in a growing list of supervillains.
I don't think you'll listen to me now, but God fucking damn it, maybe you'll think of this when the stuffing's been beaten out of you and you're like two seconds away from the end. No idea whether anyone'll listen then, but I like to think even the worst of people can turn around and at least try to crawl back to the light--even if it's right at the end, so long as you got breath in your body and thought in your head, anyone can.
Might be hard as fuck, but anyone can, God damn it.
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From: TheTwoCannedAdrenalineJunkie Two: EnemyOfBothSides
When you say experimented on, knowingly infected with a disease, and so on... are you talking about Fyodor, Inc.?
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Dec 8 2012, 02:19 PM
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Oh my God, I LEFT THE STOVE ON AT HOME!
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Post by: PrettyFlyForAWhiteGuy
This is the Man In White
You think that Masquerade's worse than you? He's just a serial killer.
YOU'RE A TERRORIST.
You use violence and threats to coerce others, killing others for your own means.
I took up this mantle to stop the bloodshed, of both Persona users and civilians. I am against killing.
But if you do not come quietly, I will put a stop to you.
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