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| Topic Started: Feb 6 2008, 10:20 PM (288 Views) | |
| tracker | Feb 6 2008, 10:20 PM Post #1 |
Fish On, EH
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Here is one to keep in your favorites. The site also has numerous other knots. http://www.animatedknots.com/indexfishing.php?LogoImage=LogoGrog.jpg&Website=www.animatedknots.com |
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| renegade | Feb 6 2008, 11:01 PM Post #2 |
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Yes that is a sweet 3D look at different knots. A link worth saving and pinning. |
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| Final | Feb 7 2008, 09:16 PM Post #3 |
Salvelinus namaycush
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A great site thanks. |
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| GET R DONE | Feb 8 2008, 10:23 PM Post #4 |
Fishin' for Loch Ness
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thanks for posting, thats awesome.... |
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| reeldrag | Apr 2 2008, 09:23 PM Post #5 |
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great learning tool |
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| Bronzeback | Apr 3 2008, 10:19 AM Post #6 |
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Nice site of knots there. Very useful link thanks. |
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| wannabaguide | Sep 17 2009, 11:11 PM Post #7 |
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would like to know a good knot for floracarben to lead core with out a swivel |
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| Final | Sep 18 2009, 09:18 AM Post #8 |
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Hello wannabaguide, welcome to the board, this is what I have found so far I have never tied fluorocarbon to lead, so I can't say for sure. I am still looking for a knot for you to use. Knot Strength: Perhaps even more vital than the tensile test data is actual knot strength of fluorocarbon lines. This opens up the debate of which knot is best to tie with fluorocarbons. For years we've heard the one knot you do not want to use with FC lines is the palomar. In other circles you will hear discussions that the palomar is fine with good fluorocarbon lines, but not the poorly made ones. With such controversey surrounding this one knot, we decided to investigate head on and employ the palomar for our tests. The best way to set up the comparison? Why of course, testing the palomar knot first, with our baseline 12lb Trilene XL where we recorded, on average, knot failure at 11.8 pounds of pressure.  We tested each lines' knot strength and compared it against its rated strength... KS vs Rated Strength: Comparing knot strength to actual, rated strength with our Trilene XL reveals a 98% value. Using this comparison with our entire test lot, revealed only five out of our fourteen test subjects recorded average breaking strengths of ninety percent or more. In fact, two recorded values below 80%. One of our lines, Seaguar Carbon Pro, was absent from this test all together as we ran out of line by the time we reached this segment of our tests.  and it's actual tested strength - Seaguar's InvisX and Sugoi's Fluorocarbon products fared the best in this analysis KS vs Tested Strength: After all we've been through with these lines, just how good, really, is the data of knot strength versus rated strength? Wouldn't a more accurate portrayal pit each lines' knot strength against their actual, tested breaking strength? Indeed it would and when tallied against this data, all but one of our test subjects, including our baseline, fall below the 90% mark at knot strength. It seems, the general statement of fluorocarbons having poor knot strength is still up in the air. Many of our lines faired no worse than our baseline Trilene XL when submitted against actual tensile strength data. Moreover, perhaps this test really calls into question the strength of the palomar knot in general! So who fared best here? Seaguar's InvisX tested with a 92.7% knot strength versus tested strength ratio - an actual value of 10.1 pounds of knot strength versus its rated strength of 10 pounds and actual tested strength of 10.9. TackleTour Fluorocarbon Showdown Knot Strength (KS) Data Brand : Make Rated Strength (lbs) Knot Strength (lbs) KS vs Rated Strength KS vs Tested Strength Berkley : Vanish Transition 12 8.6 72% 80.7% Bass Pro Shops : XPS FC 12 11.2 93.4% 80% Cabelas : No-Vis FC 12 9.0 75% 79% Gamma : Edge FC 10 10.1 101% 72.2% Maxima : Fluorocarbon 12 10.3 85.7% 62.4% P-Line : Fluorocarbon 12 9.7 81.1% 81.8% P-Line : Halo 12 9.4 78.1% 72.1% Seaguar : Carbon Pro 10 -- -- -- Seaguar : Invisx 10 10.1 101% 92.7% Sugoi : Fluorocarbon 12 10.8 90.3% 89.6% Sunline : Shooter FC 14 11 78.7& 69.8% Toray : SuperHard 14 13 93.2% 82.6% Triple Fish : Fluorocarbon 12 10.5 87.3% 73.2% Yozuri H20 10 8.3 82.7% 70.1% Berkley : Trilene XL 12 11.8 98% 82.2%  |
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| Final | Sep 18 2009, 09:47 AM Post #9 |
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Ok, what I have found out is that fluorocarbon lines have poor knot strength so it really dosn't make much difference which knot you use. [see below] Line Review Knots: Finally, the last remaining issue for us with the fluorocarbon lines, before making the decision on which products to really spool up and go fishing with, is what knot or knots to use? In Part I of our Fluorocarbon Showdown, we used the popular palomar knot exclusively. We tested each lines' strength with this knot and compared it against tested tensile values. What we found was all but one of our test subjects, including our baseline Trilene XL, fell below 90% knot strength when compared to the tested strength of the line. Disappointing to say the least so we're left to question, was it the line or was it the knot? We hear quite consistently that the palomar is not the best knot to use with FC lines, but we also hear that FC lines have terrible knot strength. So which is it?  FC's, it would appear, are not just bad with the palomar knots. We used one of our more expensive lines to conduct this knot test and we couldn't get a single one to perform above 80% let alone 90% of the line's tested breaking strength We selected one, unnamed, but higher priced product out of our test batch and put it through the wringer with five different knots: the improved clinch; the palomar; the san diego jam; the trilene; and the uni. Each knot was tied, carefully, five times and measured for strength with this one specific product. We then threw out the high and low numbers and compared the average of the three remaining breaking strengths for each knot against this particular product's tested breaking strength and charted it above. The result? Not too far off from our original assessment in part one. Not one of the knots rated within 90% of this line's tested breaking strength. Ouch. It would appear the claims that fluorocarbons lines have poor knot strength may indeed be true. TackleTour Fluorocarbon Showdown Summary Test / Marketing Claim Yes No Inconclusive (Comments) Better abrasion resisance than Trilene XL (combined wet and dry tests) yes The Trilene XL had very poor comparative abrasion results when wet Material Strength Depends greatly on the brand : 6 of 14 were equal or greater than Trilene XL Fluorocarbons have poor knot strength, yes Fluorocarbons are virtually invisible underwater, yes Fluorocarbons have less stretch than Trilene XL, yes Except for a few exceptions, stretch tests were the comparable Fluorocarbons are subject to permanent deformity (strain) under load, yes Surprisingly, only one product from our test batch showed no effects of strain Conclusion: Have we burst the fluorocarbon bubble? Perhaps so, perhaps not. What we have shown for certain is that fluorocarbon isn't perfect, but then again, what fishing line, or product is? More importantly, we've shown not all fluorocarbon lines are created equal. Some, like the Seaguar Invisx actually have very good knot strength, but this same line has terrible stretch performance. Others, like Sunline Shooter FC is great against stretch, but faired poorly in our knot strength test. Our invisibility tests were inconclusive and the strain results were troubling. We say enough with the lab. It's time to take these tests to the next level and experience both the good and the bad of fluorocarbon on the water to see what the true redeeming qualities of these individual products might be. Certainly, not all fluorocarbons are created equal, but we're now prepared to go out and discover which versions, if any, are worth the expense.  |
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