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Minerva Weapon Upgrade
Topic Started: May 28 2017, 08:21 AM (581 Views)
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Character: Minerva
Current Item: Star Sworn - A Legendary Tier (T4) axe created from the remains of a meteor Minerva stumbled upon. It is 4 feet in length standing from pommel to head. It features a gray and maroon color scheme and has a double bladed axehead. The width of the head at its widest is 2 feet wide and 2 feet long, roughly half the dimensions of the weapon. It is meant to be swung in either 1 or 2 hands. It is crafted from an unknown metal with unique properties which Minerva has named Laconium. The properties are as followed.

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Laconium: Laconium metal emits an unusual electromagnetic field. While the weapon itself is of normal weight, it has specifically aligned itself with Minerva, as such she is the only person who is capable of wielding/lifting it.


Star Sworn


Star Bound Ring - A golden metal steel quality ring designed to slip over the wrist and wrap around the palm. The metal is uniquely attuned to Minerva's bio electric frequency and to that of Star Sworn. When Minerva makes a certain gesture that puts pressure on the ring it creates a strong electromagnetic tethering link between Minerva and Star Sworn, causing it to fly to her hand. The maximum range of effect is Medium range, and Star Sworn will always return with a strength of force equal to Minerva's strength. This link only works when the ring is in possession of Minerva and only on Star Sworn.

Desired Upgrade: Star Sworn - A Legendary Tier (T4) axe created from the remains of a meteor Minerva stumbled upon. It is 4 feet in length standing from pommel to head. It features a gray and maroon color scheme and has a double bladed axe head. The width of the head at its widest is 2 feet wide and 2 feet long, roughly half the dimensions of the weapon. It is meant to be swung in either 1 or 2 hands. It is crafted from an unknown metal with unique untapped properties which Minerva has named Laconium. Star Sworn has been further refined for combat against other devil fruit users, as such the edge of the axe head blades is coated with seastone.

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Laconium: This unique space metal possesses an unnaturally high density. As a result of this, it has an incredible weight, weighing a total of 3 tons. Minerva, being stronk as heck and having forged and trained with it all her life is accustomed to and unhindered by this weight, anyone else unused to the unnatural weight and balance of the blade may find it more trouble than its worth however.

Blade edge made with seastone

Axe weighs 3 tons


Star Sworn


Star Bound Ring - A golden metal steel quality ring designed to slip over the wrist and wrap around the palm. The metal is uniquely attuned to Minerva's bio electric frequency and to that of Star Sworn. When Minerva makes a certain gesture that puts pressure on the ring it creates a strong electromagnetic tethering link between Minerva and Star Sworn, causing it to fly to her hand.

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Steel Quality (T2)
Allows Minerva to recall Starsworn Axe to her ringed hand

Allow's the creation of techniques in which Starsworn is recalled from greater distances and with greater power or effects by adding range effects.

Discount: Smith Primary, no mixed materials penalty
StarSworn: 34,000,000
Starbound Ring: 14,000,000
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80Mil seastone edge

No change in the ring unless I'm blind, though as I'm sure you know, you now need techs to be able to pull things back to you with that material.
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Is the 80 million the total cost of the weapon, so subtracting what i already paid for the base axe?

The ring is meant to only recall her axe and nothing else. Supposed to be a Mjoilnir type deal. Can i not freeform recall the same way you can freeform firing a gun?
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Yup.

And not really. A fullpower gunshot cannot travel a long distance without a tech for instance. This is basically the reverse. Though I guess it could be up for debate
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Well a shot from a gun does have a considerable range, it just doesn't have any additional power or effects behind it. Its like how you can throw a football or baseball really far, but keeping enough power to knock someone on their ass at range is much harder to pull off.

Is there a way i can have like, in built range to the return? Can i pay for a ranged return technique or something?
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I've asked some other mods about it.

Buying range will probably be a no simply because short is the only one possible to buy and that's for Wapometal blades etc.

If anything, it maybe that you just can't have full power without a tech, but idk.
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I'm fine without full power minus a tech. But before i buy i want to make sure, the main function is recalling it to her hand.
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You'd still need to pay for range, but it can return to her.

Now onto something I didn't notice till now, my bad.

"she is the only person who is capable of wielding/lifting it."

Although previously approved, this is going to have to be removed simply because of the power it would provide.
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That doesn't answer the question, so to be sure once again i shall spell it out as plainly as possible so there is absolutely no confusion. The Ring, as it is described above, allows Minerva to recall the weapon to her hand. She can free form returning the weapon to her hand (like a freeform throw) but with no additional power beyond her basic strength stat. Techniques can be made that allow the throwing and or returning of her axe using the ring. Is that correct?

May I ask why? This is the main draw of the weapon, its entire thematic appeal, and it has been used in canon frequently. While I may be resistant to let go of the return range being rolled into the cost of the weapon/item, this is one I'm going to fight to the death for so buckle in because I'm going to need an in depth logistical and logical explanation for why I can't have an axe that only I can wield. Why is it to much for my character to have a weapon only they can wield, it seems perfectly within the bounds of what would happen in One Piece, and as far as I can tell its not a broken tactic. So please give me an in depth explanation for why this is not allowed.

First: it doesn't have enhanced weight, it's just that its whole shtick is being magnetically attuned to Minerva. My original proposal was that because of this magnetic synergy that while Minerva could wield it normally, anyone without sufficiently high strength would find it unwieldy, requiring X amount of strength to force it to move. If I cannot have the simple version, can i have the more complex and numerical one back? Aside from Minerva lifting the hammer requires X strength due to its properties.
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It has that function, but I will ask if the range can be freeform or not. I think the other case of this metal is using techs but... I'll try sort that all out.

The only issue with the current write up is that it says nobody else can lift it. If you say that it is unruly in the hands of anyone else as such that'd be fine. Like... Uncomfortable to wield etc. Right now its written as Thor's Hammer, and as we know from those movies, you can just place that on Loki's chest and he's never moving again.
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Can i say that like, due to the metals properties with syncing with her bioelectric rhythms it attunes itself to her strength, so anyone with less strength than her cannot lift it? This would be similar to how gun techs use strength because yur considered only ever using enough gunpowder that you can withstand. So if Minerva has 50 strength someone with 50 strength or more could lift it normally, someone with 40 strength wouldn;t be able to. That way its not unliftable, its just very heavy.
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What if, and i know this is gonna sound outlandish, we just didn't. in all honest i admire the creativity but at the end of the day every door this opens allows infinitely worse things to pour in and saying you have an object immovable to anyone with less strength in a relative rp manages to qualify as bad.

also i think you've misunderstood gun techs, but do a brother a favour and get on shamma for that because lets be honest, he should have made the rules more obvious (fookin brits).
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The fact that its a relative setting is WHY this is a plausible option. Because if everyone's strength is relative to mine, then this isn't such an unstoppable power. If I'm fighting NPC's relative or greater than me, then they can ignore such an effect entirely. Likewise if I'm fighting enemies substantially weaker than me, then I have no right participating since unless your fighting mooks your supposed to be fighting folks on or above your level. on top of that its not an issue for the rarely used PvP because of the rules preventing you from picking on folks smaller than you. Essentially if everything is relative, its perfectly balanced because everyone else is relatively balanced to me.

Also I never said i thought it was a good idea that gun damage was based on strength, I thin its asinine but it was explained that while primarily for the sake of balance you could plausibly interpret it as that explanation. Are you telling me that strength no longer determines the damage of ranged weaponry?
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Just take a second to actually imagine how shitty a world we would live in would look if the logic "PvP is unlikely to happen so things that fuck with it are fine" was used on a regular basis. The rules assist in avoiding fights between substantially SD gapped people they don't make it a non-factor.

On another note i feel like we may be using differing definitions of relative because "anyone with less than cannot" is an absolute and thus doesn't belong.

Ok so on guns the misunderstanding I was talking about is thinking that guns equating to your strength is static, it's as relative as anything else, that stat is a reference point and says and says people with numbers higher or lower than it have an easier or harder time dealing with the shots. It doesn't say if someone has less than x they will be dead upon shot.

So now that I'm done explaining things to you that you definitely already know, in the end, nah bro, effect not okayerinodiggidy
Edited by Singularity, Jun 9 2017, 07:14 AM.
Izuru & Yogi • Crew Position: Captain • Weapon Specialist • Frostbite PiratesBounty: 350,000,000 • SD Earned: 1192 • Beli: 345,100,000 • Location: Florian Triangle • Theme:

Kazuki • Crew Position:N/A • Assassin • N/ACommendations: 88 • SD Earned: 356 • Beli: 165,500,000 • Location: Little Garden

Xavros • Crew Position:Fool • Entertainer • Theme tuneBounty: 103,000,000 • SD Earned: 406 • Beli: 191,000,000 • Location: Machine Island

Anthrax • Crew Position:N/A • Inventor • N/ABounty: 0 • SD Earned: 186 • Beli: 74,000,000 • Location:Gesso Island

Kuma • Crew Position:N/A • Smith • N/AThreat: 30 • SD Earned: 181 • Beli: 16,900,000 • Location:Custom Island
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You know what... you're right Singularity, completely and totally right. there is no need for me to complicate matters with custom materials and new ideas, i'll just used already accepted and established ones instead, which I did.



The Axe just weighs 2 tons, half of what an early-mid grand line pirate/bounty hunter can do in One Piece.

Now that that matter is settled giga can you reprice the axe one last time? I'll also need to know exactly how throwing/recalling with Starsworn works. I do have an idea on that front. i used to have a 'boomerang' general effect way back when. It was an 8 cost deal, so with your permission I could attach a Rank 8 effect to the ring that has the 'boomerang/returning' feature that recalls the axe to her hand when seperated. While I know range can;t be paid for normally, in this case any range paid for would only be dictating the maximum return range, ad wouldn;t affect any damage it did unless i were to make a seperate technique for it. Thoughts?
Edited by geomease, Jun 11 2017, 07:23 PM.
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