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Profession Traits that Require Primary; Needs clarification
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Topic Started: Jan 8 2015, 04:02 PM (177 Views)
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Rasen
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Jan 8 2015, 04:02 PM
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This may be just me, but as a veteran member who gets slightly irritated and confused by the numerous professional traits, I sometimes can't tell which traits require the primary or don't. I know it's easy just to check through their primary profession description, but it would be so much more convenient if there was just a label beside the professional trait, simply saying "This trait requires the profession to be Primary."
It'd be a lot less confusing for the new members as well.
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♦ Franky
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Jan 8 2015, 04:09 PM
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Almost all of those traits are TP traits that may be taken even though their primary use isn't allowed with secondary professions.
Example: There is a doctor trait for buffing, but the exact working says "aid or buff", which means even if it can't buff, the TP can be used for aiding, which translates to making medical treatement techs like the ones Leander has.
When it comes to inventors, the TP could be used for non-explosive amunition if not for bombs.
When it comes to assassins, the TP could be used for damage poisons if not for debuff poisons.
In short, I don't think there are traits that can only be taken if primary. Although, maybe I'm just missing the exception and someone can correct me in that case.
Edited by Franky, Jan 8 2015, 04:15 PM.
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Rasen
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Jan 8 2015, 04:22 PM
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Well, if you put it that way, I guess that's an easy way to remember it.
But for a new member? Nowhere does it say in the Rules like how you put it. Just for clarification sake, I think it would just be outright easier if you labelled just the traits that require the Primary profession.
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Bounty: 15,000,000 SD Earned: 124 Beli: 16,100,000 Location: Red Line
| Strength: 47 Speed: 26 Stamina: 33 Accuracy: 56 Fortune: 39
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Threat: 28.1 SD Earned: 159 Beli: 29,710,000 Location: Brick Blues Isle, Route 2
| Strength: 56 Speed: 46 Stamina: 96 Accuracy: 26 Fortune: 48
|  | Hannah Sokudo Entertainer/Weapon Specialist Thief/Cook The Crazy Eights
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Rasen
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Jan 8 2015, 05:14 PM
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Like seriously, it doesn't take that much work. Just label it.
I'm still confused about "General Trait Access" for the Martial professional traits, for example. Is that only for primaries or is it also available to secondaries?
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Characters  | Ranei "Bar Fairy" Kouten Inventor/Marksman Weapons Specialist/Smith Rogue Pirate (Will replace Hannah)
Bounty: 15,000,000 SD Earned: 124 Beli: 16,100,000 Location: Red Line
| Strength: 47 Speed: 26 Stamina: 33 Accuracy: 56 Fortune: 39
|  | Seinin "Spice N' Dice" Hanare Weapons Specialist/Cook Rogue Bounty Hunter
Threat: 28.1 SD Earned: 159 Beli: 29,710,000 Location: Brick Blues Isle, Route 2
| Strength: 56 Speed: 46 Stamina: 96 Accuracy: 26 Fortune: 48
|  | Hannah Sokudo Entertainer/Weapon Specialist Thief/Cook The Crazy Eights
Fame: - SD Earned: 33 Beli: 8,750,000 Location: Karaoke Island, West Blue
| Strength: 19 Speed: 27 Stamina: 18 Accuracy: 10 Fortune: 16 |
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Jan 8 2015, 05:16 PM
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General Trait Access is only for primaries. It says so somewhere in the rules. (exactly under the professional traits for each profession)
But that's it, the others aren't only for primaries, that's what I've been trying to explain.
Edited by Franky, Jan 8 2015, 05:18 PM.
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“We all need to be mocked from time to time Lord Mormont lest we start to take ourselves too seriously.” - Tyrion Lannister
Braidbeard  | Name: Affiliation: Threat: Crew: Position: SD Earned: Beli: Professions: Color: Location:
| William Bertrand Salty Bounty Hunter 200 Jacks of all Trades Captain - Doctor 559 2,500,000 Musketeer - Doctor - Marksman - Merchant Sandy Brown - [color=sandybrown][/color] Neptunia |
Route Freedom
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William's NPC: Raven Black  | Name: Affiliation: Rank: Commendations: Crew: Location: Color:
| Raven Black Marine Ensign 5 Jacks of all Trades Route 5, Island 4 - Neptunia Black - [color=black][/color] |
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Grey Hunter Jack Clive • Swordsman? Merchant? • WS/Merchant • Reaper Pirates • Bounty: 26,000,000  • SD Earned: 140 • Beli: 64,200,000 • Location: Gesso. Top Hat Tikus Namaris • Magician? • Entertainer/WS • N/A• Bounty: 0 • SD Earned: 88 • Beli: 19,700,000 • Location: Stern Rock
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Rasen
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Jan 8 2015, 05:30 PM
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General Trait Access - As a martial profession, Weapon Specialist has access to certain General Traits as if they were Professional Traits, and may spend Professional Traits on them. You can find a list of all General Traits available to this profession on the Professions page.
I don't see primary anywhere.
- Weapons Specialist
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A much more general fighter-type profession, a Weapon Specialist is someone who has to a large or small degree devoted his/her life to the mastery of a single weapon or weapon type, such as Swords, Axes or Whips. This profession applies generally to melee weapons. Characters with this profession have access to certain additional traits and may create "Stance" techniques.
Really? Please be consistent. How the hell can I tell the difference between "certain additional traits" and "general traits"?
And for Advanced Martial Traits, are these accessible by secondary professions? I'm asking this because it technically affects Technique by extending the rank cap.
Edited by Rasen, Jan 8 2015, 05:35 PM.
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Characters  | Ranei "Bar Fairy" Kouten Inventor/Marksman Weapons Specialist/Smith Rogue Pirate (Will replace Hannah)
Bounty: 15,000,000 SD Earned: 124 Beli: 16,100,000 Location: Red Line
| Strength: 47 Speed: 26 Stamina: 33 Accuracy: 56 Fortune: 39
|  | Seinin "Spice N' Dice" Hanare Weapons Specialist/Cook Rogue Bounty Hunter
Threat: 28.1 SD Earned: 159 Beli: 29,710,000 Location: Brick Blues Isle, Route 2
| Strength: 56 Speed: 46 Stamina: 96 Accuracy: 26 Fortune: 48
|  | Hannah Sokudo Entertainer/Weapon Specialist Thief/Cook The Crazy Eights
Fame: - SD Earned: 33 Beli: 8,750,000 Location: Karaoke Island, West Blue
| Strength: 19 Speed: 27 Stamina: 18 Accuracy: 10 Fortune: 16 |
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Jan 8 2015, 06:08 PM
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Italicized bonus has always been the primary only...
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John Margerish • Solo-Other • Martial Artist • Crewless • SD Earned: 242• Beli: ฿ 60,560,000 • Threat: 55 • Location: Inactive
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Jan 8 2015, 06:28 PM
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There are explanations for all primary bonuses and primary general trait access in the professions topic:
quotes - Martial Professions
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The general traits which these professions will have access to as professional traits are: Rokushiki Savant/Master (WS/MA) and Life Return (WS/MA). Additionally, any martial profession primary may choose 1 stat to be their "prime stat" and may spend Professional traits on the stat trait corresponding to this.
Those who have a martial profession as a secondary profession will have access to the normal list of traits available to their profession. Additionally, they will be allowed to make martial techniques corresponding to their profession above rank 14.
- Production Professions
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The general traits which these professions will have access to as professional traits are: Strength and Stamina Stat Traits (BS/Carp), and Cyborg and Advanced Cyborg (Inventor)*.
*It is prudent to note that the additional two traits to arrive at the cumulative cost of New World Cyborg are not accessible as professional traits, and must utilize general trait expenditure.
Those who have a production profession as a secondary profession will have access to the normal list of traits available to their profession which do not require the primary benefit in order to work.
- Support Professions
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The general traits which these professions will have access to as professional traits are: Signature Technique (All), Technically Adept (All), Technical Mastery (All).
Those who have a supoort profession as a secondary profession will still have access to any professional traits which do not require the primary benefit in order to work. Other than that, the benefits will be largely IC-only, for purposes of defining what the character knows and can do in RP.
- Other Professions
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For characters with Merchant as their primary profession, additional fees will be levied for items that would normally be unavailable. Such items will have their price increased by 15% of the original price for every purchase barrier the merchant is bypassing. For instance, an item that requires both an inventor and being in the grand line would cost a merchant in the blues 30% more. That same merchant would acquire the same item for only 15% more if he were in the grand line.
And mastery traits don't require primary.
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“We all need to be mocked from time to time Lord Mormont lest we start to take ourselves too seriously.” - Tyrion Lannister
Braidbeard  | Name: Affiliation: Threat: Crew: Position: SD Earned: Beli: Professions: Color: Location:
| William Bertrand Salty Bounty Hunter 200 Jacks of all Trades Captain - Doctor 559 2,500,000 Musketeer - Doctor - Marksman - Merchant Sandy Brown - [color=sandybrown][/color] Neptunia |
Route Freedom
Full Body Shot |
William's NPC: Raven Black  | Name: Affiliation: Rank: Commendations: Crew: Location: Color:
| Raven Black Marine Ensign 5 Jacks of all Trades Route 5, Island 4 - Neptunia Black - [color=black][/color] |
Half Body Shot |
Grey Hunter Jack Clive • Swordsman? Merchant? • WS/Merchant • Reaper Pirates • Bounty: 26,000,000  • SD Earned: 140 • Beli: 64,200,000 • Location: Gesso. Top Hat Tikus Namaris • Magician? • Entertainer/WS • N/A• Bounty: 0 • SD Earned: 88 • Beli: 19,700,000 • Location: Stern Rock
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Rasen
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Jan 8 2015, 06:32 PM
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I know they are clear cut explanations
But for the longest damn time, I was confused because of this exact line
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The general traits which these professions will have access to as professional traits are:
Like, I couldn't tell if it was primary or secondary because it JUST says "these professions". It wasn't addressed whatsoever on that page other than "hurr durr look at Traits page", which I quoted earlier. And because of how there's always a constant inconsistency in updating rules per patch, it doesn't make the Rules clear at all.
I've already addressed this earlier, but I'm talking as a member (NOT as a Staff) perspective who without a doubt has less experience with the rules than you guys do. It may be clear to you guys, but it sure as hell isn't clear to us. Just make it easier for clarification's sake.
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Characters  | Ranei "Bar Fairy" Kouten Inventor/Marksman Weapons Specialist/Smith Rogue Pirate (Will replace Hannah)
Bounty: 15,000,000 SD Earned: 124 Beli: 16,100,000 Location: Red Line
| Strength: 47 Speed: 26 Stamina: 33 Accuracy: 56 Fortune: 39
|  | Seinin "Spice N' Dice" Hanare Weapons Specialist/Cook Rogue Bounty Hunter
Threat: 28.1 SD Earned: 159 Beli: 29,710,000 Location: Brick Blues Isle, Route 2
| Strength: 56 Speed: 46 Stamina: 96 Accuracy: 26 Fortune: 48
|  | Hannah Sokudo Entertainer/Weapon Specialist Thief/Cook The Crazy Eights
Fame: - SD Earned: 33 Beli: 8,750,000 Location: Karaoke Island, West Blue
| Strength: 19 Speed: 27 Stamina: 18 Accuracy: 10 Fortune: 16 |
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Jan 8 2015, 06:50 PM
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I see your point.
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“We all need to be mocked from time to time Lord Mormont lest we start to take ourselves too seriously.” - Tyrion Lannister
Braidbeard  | Name: Affiliation: Threat: Crew: Position: SD Earned: Beli: Professions: Color: Location:
| William Bertrand Salty Bounty Hunter 200 Jacks of all Trades Captain - Doctor 559 2,500,000 Musketeer - Doctor - Marksman - Merchant Sandy Brown - [color=sandybrown][/color] Neptunia |
Route Freedom
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William's NPC: Raven Black  | Name: Affiliation: Rank: Commendations: Crew: Location: Color:
| Raven Black Marine Ensign 5 Jacks of all Trades Route 5, Island 4 - Neptunia Black - [color=black][/color] |
Half Body Shot |
Grey Hunter Jack Clive • Swordsman? Merchant? • WS/Merchant • Reaper Pirates • Bounty: 26,000,000  • SD Earned: 140 • Beli: 64,200,000 • Location: Gesso. Top Hat Tikus Namaris • Magician? • Entertainer/WS • N/A• Bounty: 0 • SD Earned: 88 • Beli: 19,700,000 • Location: Stern Rock
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