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Topic Started: May 22 2013, 12:36 PM (1,855 Views)
Yuan
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A leaf logia?

I'm going to say, it is highly unlikely that it would be accepted.

But maybe if you could fill in a few of the blanks for me.

How would it attack?
How would it defend?
How are leaves an element?
Does it's abilities have anything to do with plant growth?
Live leaves? Or just dead leaves?
Aside from pseudo flight, what abilities would it have? Other than looking like a ninja when you disappear?

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I'll be honest with you, I highly doubt the leaf fruit would ever be accepted, especially if it's a logia. Think about this, each leaf has many many cells that each do different things, and each one is a different living organism. Also a leaf is not an element, look at some of the logias on the list, there should be something that they each have in common, none of them are actually living things.

In the Cbox, you said how about the cotton fruit? Well I did a little bit of research, and Cotton is actually made completely of cellulose, which makes cotton a non living thing, and also, it's actually used to protect the seeds.
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Cotton, liquid, and syrup are all incredibly dumb and I wish they would go away. Leaf logia doesn't sound possible but something similar to that function doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility however it won't be likely approved on here despite that until it shows up in canon.
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How would it attack? Leaves can be sharp and confusing. Imagine thousands of tiny leaves with the ability to cut your skin. Some natural leaves can cut easily cut your skin, think what would happen if many of them were thrown at you with enough force and precision .

How would it defend? Falling leaves are automatically difficult to hit for most people, imagine a group that can actually react to your movements.

How are leaves an element? I didn't know a logia had to be an element. Candy, cotton, swamp, smoke, and even that liquid fruit aren't elements, unless you guys have some weird definition of the word element.

Does it's abilities have anything to do with plant growth? Not at all, no intention of making this logia have anything to do with plants besides a leaf or petal.

Live leaves? Or just dead leaves? I really don't see how that matters because either way would be fine. Let's say they're "alive" but on the verge of death.

Aside from pseudo flight, what abilities would it have? Other than looking like a ninja when you disappear? Hardening the leaves, complete control over those that the user creates and maybe those that he/she does not create probably as a group at low rank techniques then individually with high rank techs. (I don't know if the fire logia can manipulate random flames or not, I guess I should though.) Flight, disperse, maybe a fighting style having to do with dodging attacks like a petal in the slightest wind.

So the description could look like this..

Peta Peta no Mi (Leaf Leaf Fruit)
Devil Fruit Ability: This fruit enables the eater to become a leaf man. They are capable of producing leaves, transforming themselves into leaves, and manipulating leaves as they see fit. With time the user will be able to harden, soften and control a seemingly endless amount of leaves capable of both defending and attacking. Along with the natural devil fruit weakness, the user is vulnerable to fire based attacks which can easily burn a simple leaf.

& To this cotton isn't alive thing-It grows/grew from a living plant. Name one other "item" that grows from a living organism that isn't/wasn't alive and I might agree with you. The only thing I can think of would be an animal's shell which may or may not have been alive but I'm sure that like 90% of the time it was actually a piece of some type of living animal.
Edited by Pernix, May 27 2013, 01:01 PM.
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May 27 2013, 12:53 PM


To this cotton isn't alive thing-It grows/grew from a living plant. Name one other "item" that grows from a living organism that isn't/wasn't alive and I might agree with you. The only thing I can think of would be an animal's shell which may or may not have been alive but I'm sure that like 90% of the time it was actually a piece of some type of living animal.
Hair, nails, horns, tallons, and beaks Other than that, there is cotton, it might grow from the plant, but that's from the excess cellulose, made into a ball shape and other things too. Unlike an actual leaf which has living cells that do an actual function. Cotton doesn't have any other function than to protect the seeds.
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The difference in this being how a plant produces the cotton compared to hair growing from the scalp, horns from an animal's head, fingernails, talons, beaks. So the cotton is inside of a living thing until that living thing basically pops open, revealing the bud. Cellulose is found in almost all plants. Also, cotton isn't all cellulose even though it is the main component. Cellulose is also about 50% of what wood is made of. So it is living.

Let me clarify: Cellulose may not be alive, cotton is not 100% cellulose. Cotton is somewhat alive before it is dried and processed. Cellulose may not be alive, wood is 50% cellulose. Wood is somewhat alive before it is dried and processed.
Edited by Pernix, May 27 2013, 01:38 PM.
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Cotton really really really is a horrible logia. Please stop using it as justification for anything.
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The only reason I use cotton as an example is this alive or dead thing.. which again.. wouldn't matter in a leaf/petal logia because there is no growth going on & either way the effect of the logia would be the same.
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May 27 2013, 01:30 PM
The difference in this being how a plant produces the cotton compared to hair growing from the scalp, horns from an animal's head, fingernails, talons, beaks. So the cotton is inside of a living thing until that living thing basically pops open, revealing the bud. Cellulose is found in almost all plants.
Yeah you more or less got the gist of it, and you did only ask me to list non-living things that grow from a living thing, and the thing is they all grow in a similar manner. Nails and hair are made from keratin, these are produced right under the skin, and then growing outward, similar to how cotton buds are made, but they still aren't living. And yes Cellulose is found in almost all plants, but cotton is mainly cotton, not 100% there are still other things there, but the matter of the fact is, it is not a living thing.
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So what you're saying is: It grows like from a plant, has the components of many living organisms, isn't completely dead, but isn't alive? It is also made of things that involve the cell wall and the plant's overall growth.
Edited by Pernix, May 27 2013, 01:44 PM.
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May 27 2013, 01:42 PM
So what you're saying is: It grows like from a plant, has the components of many living organisms, isn't completely dead, but isn't alive? It is also made of things that involve the cell wall and the plant's overall growth.
Alright, let me put it simply, cotton is a byproduct of photosynthesis, it is not a living thing, nor was it ever alive, cellulose is not a living thing, it might be part of a living thing, but it isn't. Living organisms have processes they go through, but cotton does none of these, it's just a white fluffy ball with no actual cells.
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1. Leaves don't just automatically get to be sharp because you want them to be. This isn't pokemon or Naruto. Leaves don't get sharp enough to cut through even skin without a reason. Only a handful of leaves in nature get a slightly sharp point at the end, but even that does little more that scratch. It wouldn't draw blood. 90% of thorns are located on stems, trunks, and branches, not on the leaves themselves. Only way I could see them being sharpened is if you infused them with Haki, and that raises the question of how many can you infuse, etc.

2. Falling leaves are hard to catch because they get blown around by the wind, not because they are quick and agile. So, you're just going to let yourself get blown away by a light breeze whenever you get into a fight? Cause if you go leaf-form then you won't have the weight to stand against a breeze. Something you might want to think about.

3.Smoke and swamp can be considered elements. They are natural substances produced by nature that stand alone. They don't grow on plants, they don't live and breath, they just are. Candy and liquid are from Cannon filler arcs. We don't particularly like them, but we needed more logias and those were apparently Oda-approved. Cotton was a dumb idea that got passed a long time ago and has stuck around because we needed logias. If Oda-sensei will show us more logias that we can actually add to our list, then I promise you, cotton will be the first to go. And on a side note, things that grow that aren't alive? Your hair, your fingernails. They have no nervous system, circulatory system, respiratory system... any kind of system. You can cut them off or let them grow without any effect on your body's functional processes. Not to mention, they both continue growing after you are dead. Neither are living parts of your body, they are simply substances that your body excretes. (sounds kinda gross when you say it like that, but there it is)

4. Good

5. Alive or Dead. Those are the options. Half way doesn't work. It affects which leaves out in nature you can control. Can you rip all the living leaves off of the trees in a forest to use for your powers? Or do you have to settle for the ones already fallen on the ground? Its also affects just how flamable you are. Dead leaves, take a spark in seconds. Live leaves, will burn, but not all that well.

6. Ah-ha! And now we get down to the root of the problem.You want the ability to Harden your leaves to make them useful for attacks and defense. Sorry, but leaves are not naturally able to harden themselves naturally. They are soft when they live, and they are soft when they die. Logia users gain kinetic manipulation of their elements, but they cannot change the natural traits of the element. Akainu could not make cold lava, nor could Aokiji make hot ice. Crocodile could not control mud even if it was made primarily of sand granules. You control the element as it is. Any excess powers like Crocodile's erosion must be traits that are naturally attributed to the element, not traits that you add on yourself.

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So thx Yuan, then we get back to the paramecia idea for the fruit. Would a paramecia be able to harden his/her leaves? The only thing I can compare this type of paramecia to is the wax fruit's ability to turn into/create/manipulate wax. It can also harden the wax.

& to the Joker. The cotton came from somewhere within a living thing, it has a living process and isn't 100% of any substance that is dead. Proven fact. If certain parts of cotton have the ability to die, it's not a completely dead substance and never has been. God forbid you were born 95% dead and everyone decided you simply weren't alive at all. It would be a sucky life but maybe you could twitch an eye or something?
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May 27 2013, 02:06 PM
& to the Joker. The cotton came from somewhere within a living thing, it has a living process and isn't 100% of any substance that is dead. Proven fact. If certain parts of cotton have the ability to die, it's not a completely dead substance and never has been. God forbid you were born 95% dead and everyone decided you simply weren't alive at all. It would be a sucky life but maybe you could twitch an eye or something?
Alright, other than the function to protect the seeds, what other thing does cotton do? It doesn't help with photosynthesis like leaves do, it doesn't even have any cells that start/end any processes, it doesn't have cells full stop. It doesn't take part in any life processes what so ever. It is nothing like your example, my body would still be using the life processes, that's where the term 'vegetable' comes from, because I'm basically like a plant.
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"Alright, other than the function to protect the seeds, what other thing does cotton do? It doesn't help with photosynthesis like leaves do, it doesn't even have any cells that start/end any processes, it doesn't have cells full stop. It doesn't take part in any life processes what so ever. It is nothing like your example, my body would still be using the life processes, that's where the term 'vegetable' comes from, because I'm basically like a plant."

#1 Why are you in my topic when I asked you to stay out and we are no longer on the topic of logias?

#2 Regardless of anything you just said, cotton has living cells. Period.

#3 Please do not post here again with the same conversation.
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