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| Pernix | May 22 2013, 05:11 PM Post #16 | |
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It may be a one trait ability but eel fishman gives multiple abilities for two traits. Swimming quickly, breathing underwater, talking to other fish, as well as possibly having sharp teeth and toxic blood, not to mention the mighty strength boost. One trait for one ability, two traits for like 4 or 5. So while I agree that this body voltage thing would never compare to the lightning logia's power I wouldn't say that it couldn't rival the electric eel's shock. Saying a Witch Doctor in oprp isn't unique is like saying Naomie Harris was like any other woman in Pirates of the Caribbean. Eyeballs in jars, homemade gunk remedies, etc cannot be compared to the techniques used by normal doctors. Though the duties of the profession are the same-do not say it isn't unique enough to stand. Edited by Pernix, May 22 2013, 05:14 PM.
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| Namine | May 22 2013, 05:18 PM Post #17 | |
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Electric Eel Fishman is three traits, possibly four depending on how you go about it. The ability to talk to other fish is unique to merfolk, not fishmen. Jinbe is a mysterious exception with reasons that have yet to be explained. And by unique I meant not distinct enough; it still serves as a combination of two professions rather than entirely new one or a variation of one specific one. |
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| Pernix | May 22 2013, 05:30 PM Post #18 | |
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One trait for one ability, 3/4 traits for 5 abilities. I still cannot say that body voltage wouldn't be able to rival an electric eel's due to the fact that it would still be based on tech rank. As a "mad scientist" trait it would probably and could possibly have something to do with an electric animal. Even though I might have said it was a combination of doctor and scientist, Scientist is a chemical profession while Witch Doctor has been stated to hardly be chemical at all. If anything in common with the scientist profession at all-it would be the ability to create explosives. I can agree that this may be too much of a skill for the Witch Doctor to have only because I cannot think of any REAL combination of natural sources that will cause an explosion. But I'm like 99% sure they are out there.. You pour some X mud into a mixture of Y and Z natural liquid and some type of hazardous gas forms. Light a match and boom? Yes this example is extremely vague and idk what I'm talking about at all but maybe a Witch Doctor does? In that way it is a distinct variation to the doctor profession, again taking away all chemical techniques a doctor uses and replacing them with natural resources which a pirate would be able to come across. Some members of the forum argue that a doctor should be able to make biological modifications to themselves, a "mad doctor"? What profession captures this possibility better than a Witch Doctor? Edited by Pernix, May 22 2013, 05:42 PM.
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Joy Ayane • N/A • Entertainer • Bounty Hunter • SD Earned: 62 • Beli: 17,220,000 • L: West Blue | ||
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| GlasgowSmiley | May 22 2013, 05:57 PM Post #19 | |
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Please tell me, how are you not going to fry your brain with high voltages. An electric eel is built like this. you're comparing a racial trait to a profession trait that is supposed to do an alteration to your body as to where the other is a race specifically genetically designed to have that be it's natural means of defence and offence. Changing your entire nerve structure to withstand AND produce a high voltage charge is not within the realms of a mad scientist alteration. At the very best, at rank 44 you'd be a lesser voltage human taser, that's frying it's own brain. Essentially suicide. Normally mods don't step in for that but this is utter stupidity to allow. Pretty much on par with fire breath which you can make sure, but what keeps your throat and nasal systems from not burning up and killing you once you try. Rhetorical question. Also told you why witch doctor wont work. Nami and Dark told you again. Don't see anything from your side other than "Why not" after we told you why not. Witch doctors are also more spiritual healers, tribes have them chase away bad spirits with various ailments and illusions. They will NEVER be doing genetic modifications. Period. A doctor itself captures it better and again, in the middle of a profession revamp so sit tight and wait for a bit. Last time I began talking to you I ended up staying till 5 am to which I blocked you from my chatango. Let's call it a day. |
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AngelMayLaugh (6/9/14 8:25:03 PM): ICY BRINGING THE FIRE![]() The Antagonists
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| Pernix | May 22 2013, 06:25 PM Post #20 | |
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Boy how I love the way you speak to me on this forum, it almost makes me want to spit on you. But in almost the same way you've found a way to be "professionally" disrespectful to people who can't really retaliate due to your blue name.. I cannot do this. To make myself clear I will not spit on you simply because this is a computer forum. Maybe I just don't like to read things like "utter stupidity". Anyway, I kinda googled all of this "fry your brain" stuff earlier today. Electric eels have this electric organ which starts a chain of electricity throughout their entire bodies. Each individual living cell(with protons and electrons that humans also have) will begin releasing a teeny tiny bit of electricity. Scientists say they do not hurt themselves because the amount of electricity needed to actually shock them is much more than they create at any given time at any point of their body. However, their prey are much smaller than the eels themselves. This means that even though the eel is okay with the little charge, animals a portion of their size aren't so lucky. Now just imagine this electric organ in the body of a human. It starts the current, all of our cells start to fire off electricity... but guess what??? It's not producing enough electricity to shock the body violently. So while you may think I'm displaying utter stupidity for proposing this idea, do not forget that there is a chance that you are the one who hasn't done his research. #2 At some point this forum allows things that are completely natural to be... a little stronger.. a little more acceptable.. a little less crazy...because it is y'know.. a one piece forum. Just keep that in mind for me k? Btw I've typed multiple paragraphs on my viewpoint and other facts about the forum. Just because you are too lazy to acknowledge them and for some reason can only see "why not?" doesn't mean that your claim is true. Also, while you have POSSIBLY and I do mean POSSIBLY described a POSSIBLE definition of a witch doctor, I have given you my definition, my profession, what my witch doctor would do. My definition of witch doctor is not "spiritual healer who is incapable of doing much of anything else". The same way someone's variation of chef could include only food for animals.. you would say "That's not what chefs do, chefs make food for people." edit: I underlined and bold computer just for you. edit2: The reason you had to block me is because you don't know how to talk to people without pissing them off, this is a problem multiple members of the staff have. Idk if it's some type of social disorder or you're just pissed off but idk you personally and even if I did I would never take bullshit from you. So when you have a conversation with me and can't keep your fucking mouth from saying disrespectful things...then you in turn get cussed out.. yea maybe the best thing for you to do is block me and take your ass to bed. Edited by Pernix, May 22 2013, 06:45 PM.
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Joy Ayane • N/A • Entertainer • Bounty Hunter • SD Earned: 62 • Beli: 17,220,000 • L: West Blue | ||
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| Yaksha | May 22 2013, 07:09 PM Post #21 | |
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Sai, relax. Icy is right. Harnessing bioelectricity is more than a simple one-trait investment. It HAS to be. For fishmen it's different, as it comes about as a result of an already distinct anatomy, and specific organs... If you were willing to run the risk of electrocuting YOURSELF you could transplant the electricity-creating organs from a fishman, and see how that works out. Protip: Won't get many uses per thread. |
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![]() Yaksha (Laneh) • Assassin • Martial Artist • Navigator • Thief • Ragnarok Pirates • Bounty: 75,000,000 • SD Earned: 0/300 • Beli: 35,350,000 • Location: Weatheria Strength: 57------Stamina:50------Speed:75--------Accuracy:60-------Fortune:78 Malikai • Marksman • Smith • Doctor • Scientist • N/A • Threat: 34.5 • SD Earned: 0/177 • Beli: 18,750,000 • Location: Candy Island Strength: 45------Stamina:39------Speed:40--------Accuracy:60-------Fortune:61 Juan • Inventor • Weapon Specialist Bounty: 5,000,000 • SD Earned:0/88 • Beli: 23,350,000 • Location: Strength: 45------Stamina:35------Speed:25--------Accuracy:25-------Fortune:30 Ahriman (Savlin) • Doctor • Scientist • N/A • Threat: 2 • SD Earned: 0/47 • Beli: 8,270,000 • Location: Pharsalus Island Strength: 15------Stamina:13------Speed:19--------Accuracy:25-------Fortune:23 | ||
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| GlasgowSmiley | May 22 2013, 07:21 PM Post #22 | |
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"Insults are the arguments employed by those who are in the wrong." A quote by Jean-Jacques Rousseau, famous French philosopher. I'm not insulting you, you just keep arguing in circles which I aimed to stop I literally told you, shocking body is possible but you have no way to control all that voltage, not for a profession trait and you would fry yourself to death. Being a human electric eel is not within the realms of mad scientist, I'm telling you a limit for how the trait works. Witch doctor is simply a mash-up of two professions. It wouldn't fly under normal circumstances anyway, we're doing a profession revamp too however which might yield some results to your inquiry. Please, push me further. Because I went out of my way to settle an issue you have. Not to insult you or look down on you. But hey, I must be that much of asshole to deserve it. Devoting time and effort to your question. Answering it, stern and rough true. But polite. But I'm not your slave out to serve every whim you have because you plead for it. This is how the system works and by god I will not yield because someone wants something really bad. I'll make a note to stay away from any inquiry you have to ensure your rp experience on this board. |
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AngelMayLaugh (6/9/14 8:25:03 PM): ICY BRINGING THE FIRE![]() The Antagonists
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| Pernix | May 22 2013, 08:14 PM Post #23 | |
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There is a way to go about things Icy. You do not walk up to strangers and speak anyway you feel like it then try to act like an innocent victim when they take offense to your actions and you get what you deserve. "Normally mods don't step in for that but this is utter stupidity to allow. Last time I began talking to you I ended up staying till 5 am to which I blocked you from my chatango. Let's call it a day." You choose your words and I'll choose mine. Throwing things like this into a topic is like inviting me to cuss you out. Like someone slyly talking shit to me in person/public and expecting me not to comment, then being like "oh no what did I do to deserve this" when shit gets real. No sir. Not going to fly. Like I said multiple members of the staff have this problem, & it's sad that many members on the forum allow them to speak to this way. Aren't we glad our members don't feel the need to correct every dumbass that steps out of line? -Btw that last sentence was my example of how you slyly talk shit & expect me not to say anything. Choose your words admin. So, the voltage simply isn't enough to harm the eel while it is enough to stun/kill prey. If it's not enough for an eel's long skinny body, it wouldn't be enough to harm a fully grown person. The way it is created from the electric organ and then "dispersed" throughout the body makes sure they are not harmed. That is the end of the voltage danger argument. Now, Witch Doctor is not a mash up of two professions. It is it's own. If it is a mash-up then tell me one normal doctor who would do the same things a Witch Doctor would do when treating a patient. Then tell me what I said a Witch Doctor could do that a Scientist can also do. The only thing I can think of would be crazy weird stink bombs/Mad Scientist. |
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Joy Ayane • N/A • Entertainer • Bounty Hunter • SD Earned: 62 • Beli: 17,220,000 • L: West Blue | ||
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| Pernix | May 22 2013, 08:21 PM Post #24 | |
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I really don't care about the electric eel thing right now, If the only reason I can't do it is-"That modification, though not dangerous to the user, is too strong for mad scientist." I understand. Witch Doctor would be allowed if I forget about mad scientist and replace explosives with "gases"? If not-why? It would be exactly like the doctor profession just different ways of doing it. Otherwise I'll just take the doctor profession and have my character heal people in a seriously weird but effective way. |
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Joy Ayane • N/A • Entertainer • Bounty Hunter • SD Earned: 62 • Beli: 17,220,000 • L: West Blue | ||
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| Yuan | May 23 2013, 05:31 AM Post #25 | |
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The problem with Witch Doctor is that it is doing too much. You could very easily create a Witch Doctor profession that has healing and poison/antidote abilities, just performed in an abstract aboriginal method. Or you could have a witch doctor that works more like an inventor, creating magician-like explosives and tricks. Or you could have a witch doctor that works like mad scientist, making an alteration to your body. Allowable custom professions usually take the traits of a single profession and alter the way they work a bit. What you are doing here is taking the healing aspect of doctors, along with the poison/antidote aspect (it sounds like) and then adding in explosives like from a scientist or an inventor (I assume with the flavor of witch doctor it would be more like scientist working as a cocktail of chemicals than an actual technilogical bomb like inventor, but it doesn't really specify). Then, it sounds like you are adding in the body alteration of scientist as well? (not sure about this? all this talk of electric eels, but I don't see it in your description anymore so maybe you edited it out?) This is just too much going on. If you want it to be acceptible, then focus on one profession you want it to be like. If you want to create chemical cocktails to create explosions and smoke and stuff, make it like scientist with a bit of flair, and drop the healing and buffing medicine factor. If you want it to be more like doctor, then drop the alchemy-style chemical weapon stuff. Basically, what I am saying is, you can't take the best of both worlds and throw them together for a custom. Even if the theme makes sense, it is too much to be allowable. Edit: Most of the custom professions we have allowed don't differ much from their origin professions in the bonuses they actually offer. Most of them really only differ in personality or flair. They don't really exist to give some sort of strategic advantage over the original profession, and their purpose really isn't to bridge the gap between the existing professions. Edited by Yuan, May 23 2013, 05:36 AM.
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| Pernix | May 23 2013, 09:09 AM Post #26 | |
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Yea I'll just take explosives out of the job description and call it a day. Just to make sure-Mantis Zoan would be 4 traits or 5? Does an inventor's crazyyyyy technical sword count as one of his gadgets? |
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Joy Ayane • N/A • Entertainer • Bounty Hunter • SD Earned: 62 • Beli: 17,220,000 • L: West Blue | ||
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| Namine | May 23 2013, 09:18 AM Post #27 | |
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Insect zoans are generally tier 4. Define crazy gadgets. |
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| Oceonax | May 23 2013, 09:37 AM Post #28 | |
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I feel like saying something here will result in my character losing her biomod, but because i'm such a nice person I shall share this with you. My character Sam has a mad scientist trait that allows her to generate an electric current. In addition, gman's character Neo is an electric eel fishman with essentially the same ability. The electricity for Neo basically cost one trait, since it was an addition to the base 2 traits you spend for a fishman. For this reason my character was also allowed to spend only one trait rather than the two traits that were originally planned. Therefore I see no reason why an electricity biomod would not be allowed since it is already in existance on the site. However, the ability is by no means as powerful as some may think. It was not until rank 14 that I acquired a simple electric slash attack, and Neo is only using his to detonate bombs. This makes it easy to see why it pales in comparison to the logia counterpart, the seven traits of which allow for full control over much larger voltages rather than just letting off some sparks. |
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| Pernix | May 23 2013, 10:04 AM Post #29 | |
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So what you're telling me is I've been trolled and argued with for like an entire day when everything I've asked has already been allowed through mad scientist? | |
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Joy Ayane • N/A • Entertainer • Bounty Hunter • SD Earned: 62 • Beli: 17,220,000 • L: West Blue | ||
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| Oceonax | May 23 2013, 10:07 AM Post #30 | |
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Pretty much, don't blame me for not checking every thread on the site. In fact, it's lucky that I bothered to look at this at all. | |
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