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| Beary | May 12 2013, 02:45 AM Post #1 |
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Hi, Beary here. I've been wondering how does the ownership of land work in this rp? I'm talking about building your own fort(material: boxes and up) or a secret base on an island you have access to, to make for the base of your operations. Imagine like Arlong Park, the Kidd pirate's hideout, Pappugs house, even Mihawks castle or the most basic: Marine bases. How would I go about, acquiring the right to inhabit and operate from one of these structures on a more permanent basis? If I can't: why? I understand the difficulties here, but I also think with the availability of making a character who is just a neutral merchant, I should be able to freely explore the functions of this world outside of the normal adventures and combat. For example by simply being a local butcherer who over time with investments and some luck would make his way into fortune and fame by becoming the main meat distributor in all of North Blue. Being a farmer who just spends most of his days ploughing the fields. A marine captain who sits at his desk from 8 to 6 and only goes out when so required. A pirate who wonders about the same sea routes, always returning to his own little treasure cove. A bounty hunter gang with their base of operations in a town where they lure in unsuspecting pirates. That's canon stuff that people outside of the normal adventures do. Would it simply be me, claiming I live in this place most of the time, paying maybe some upkeep cost? But if I'm paying upkeep shouldn't I be able to make all the changes I want to some of these structures? What would stop me from strapping cake catapults on every corner of my secret base? Couldn't this handle just like buying a ship, only... A stationary one? Edit: So basically how does stuff like having a house or a base work, how much can I freeform, where am I restricted and what can I do with what I have. Edited by Beary, May 12 2013, 03:07 AM.
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| Nary | May 12 2013, 04:27 AM Post #2 |
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I'm pretty sure Bya once tried this and got shot down, I'm not too sure about the specifics though. |
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Fran C. 'Bull-Skull' Osgrave • Artisan Pirates • Navigator/Chef • Bounty: 57,000,000 • SD Earned: 208 • Beli: 78,800,000 • Location: Grand Line Strength: 55 / Speed: 30 / Stamina: 118 / Accuracy: 35 / Fortune: 55 Jager 'Hitman' Foon • ??? • Chef/Assassin • Threat: 30 • SD Earned: 187 • Beli: 58, 200,000 • Location: Blues Strength: 101 / Speed: 40 / Stamina: 30 / Accuracy: 50 / Fortune: 51 Cobalt Cross • Merchant/Weapon Specialist • Rank: Lieutenant • SD Earned: 102 • Beli: 17,755,000 • Location: Blues Strength: 53 / Speed: 24 / Stamina: 30 / Accuracy: 30 / Fortune: 33 | |
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| Beary | May 12 2013, 04:49 AM Post #3 |
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Just trying to open up discussion. I assume that at the end of the day it comes down to just freeform for a lot of stuff, but for example how do I go about if I have a higher ranking marine and I want to be in charge of a base on an island? |
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| GlasgowSmiley | May 12 2013, 08:12 AM Post #4 |
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Player owned property is a suggestion I popped like months ago in the WC and I can't really say much more than that but for now: The official standing is that you can "freeform" owning a house on whatever island your character came from/lived in. Depending on history it could be a mansion or a shack but that's basically just your home thing. It has no value OOCly and no real weapons to store of note etc. As for buying bases and such, it's currently denied due to whatever reasons. Pricing it like a ship could work, setting new guidelines and such but it's overlapping in political control and even military control to have players go up to full fledged bases of marines. In short, to answer your question: So long as your "base" isn't anything grand your character owns as a symbol of power but more like a place to sleep/work at, you can just "freeform" it. I figure a secret base to lure pirates in would be the hardest but building an actual trap and such is kind of hard but you could have your base in a bottleneck formation for the gang to have an ambush advantage. |
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| Beary | May 12 2013, 08:53 AM Post #5 |
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This roleplay feels like a DnD game, where you can basically do anything you want, but it's not. Because of the setting and system, freeform is quite restricted in certain ways, though more free in others. But if I'm an upstanding citizen of a community, I can't build myself a giant mansion on an island I moved to? Rather I'd have to settle to the shack back home? Or even build a large house back at my own hometown as a symbol of my growth? This, to me, makes no sense. There's no alternative routing available, if such simple things as establishing power and influence outside of just having a strong character / strong partners are not possible. I understand the WC is full of stuff, I've heard it's actually clogged, if you'll allow my pun, and with more stuff coming in constantly. I'm just asking why in a system where freeform seems to be embraced to a certain degree, even more after the rework on the stat system, can't I flaunt the money and power I would've earned with my roleplay and characters growth, outside of getting the biggest and baddest of weapons and gadgets or buying the biggest and silliest ship? A lot of the stuff I'm talking about here is a lot of work, I do realize that, but to even start working on it would be a step forward. More later. Edited by Beary, May 12 2013, 08:56 AM.
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| Byakuya | May 12 2013, 09:21 AM Post #6 |
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Largely depends on the scale of said establishment, much like Icy said most small properties can be freeformed. However for something such as an Island, the process of acquiring the Island itself would need to be plausible and make perfect sense. Furthermore, the problem that arises with owning something such as an Island means that your character must be a big shot, and with being a big shot comes dangers. Your Island would be in danger of being attacked by warring factions, and since you can't have military power besides the standard mooks, you'd have to be stationary. In order for your emperor to not collapse you'd have to stay there and protect it non-stop so you'd be tied down. So while it's possible, it's very difficult to achieve at the same time, and would only work if someone in the crew was always on the Island back and forth at certain points. Like, a rotation or something. Hope that answers your question. |
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The Official G. Fist Topic Sacrilegious - The Official OPRP Manga. "I don't know!~ Crimson makes me think of red, which makes me think of that our previous captain, Daisuke. I'm a little uncomfortable with that considering as I cringe often when I remember what a disgusting person he was." Daisuke G. Fist, 446 SD, Bounty: 105,000,000 "2/10 Would not bang."Hana Matsui, 170 SP, Pirate, Bounty: 15,000,000 [Rin's Report on Takuya]"Takuya doesn't seem very much like a marine. Anger issues, lieing about his age, drinking problems, and a potential rapist, yet somehow he gets shit done." Takuya, 139 SD(Marine Commander, 25 Commendations) I'm lost. Why does Hiryuu have a thing for Amilia? I don't even...."Hiryuu, 66SD(Pirate) RainingBlades is a sex demon
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| Beary | May 12 2013, 09:34 AM Post #7 |
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Uhm, it kind of helped. I've not spoken of owning an entire island, but even a good portion of land or a large establishment on any said island. There's an underlying point to this whole thing that I realized, and that is the option to choose the way you develop. Like let's say I want to become a big shot merchant and have a string of shops, how could I make this site canon, could I at all? How can I acquire power and recognition outside the routes of 'strength'? These kinds of questions are within my interest. Are there rules about this kind of stuff? Restrictions? No-one else would like to have a character who has earned theirselves the position of let's say a mayor in one of the bigger towns? Not all power is achieved through the use of your own physical strengths. Edited by Beary, May 12 2013, 09:35 AM.
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| Byakuya | May 12 2013, 09:57 AM Post #8 |
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Of course not. You could simply amass a large sum of beli and hold on to it, and simply say that your characters runs a ton of businesses on the Island and so forth. However you wont be able to globalize your business most likely due to restrictions, then again this is just a guess but that'd be too much economic power that would rival military power, which is banned. |
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The Official G. Fist Topic Sacrilegious - The Official OPRP Manga. "I don't know!~ Crimson makes me think of red, which makes me think of that our previous captain, Daisuke. I'm a little uncomfortable with that considering as I cringe often when I remember what a disgusting person he was." Daisuke G. Fist, 446 SD, Bounty: 105,000,000 "2/10 Would not bang."Hana Matsui, 170 SP, Pirate, Bounty: 15,000,000 [Rin's Report on Takuya]"Takuya doesn't seem very much like a marine. Anger issues, lieing about his age, drinking problems, and a potential rapist, yet somehow he gets shit done." Takuya, 139 SD(Marine Commander, 25 Commendations) I'm lost. Why does Hiryuu have a thing for Amilia? I don't even...."Hiryuu, 66SD(Pirate) RainingBlades is a sex demon
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| Beary | May 12 2013, 10:07 AM Post #9 |
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The longer the rp goes on, the more likely it becomes people will exist who are yonkou level, persons who rival the military power of the marines. Be it with gold in your pocket, with family blood lines, with your own strength, there should be many ways to acquire power. It should take as much effort to get to a large level of power on any route, but for it to be so, these routes would need to exist. There are still old issues and new keep popping up it seems, and even though I believe the staff are doing their best and there have been changes in the short time Iv'e been here, something is still hindering process. So what's the problem? People just don't agree on how things should work? Things like Majority vote don't work? Dictatorship of the Admins? What's the system here if disagreement is holding you back, who governs? Also here's a question to some of the staff: if you are too lazy / don't have the time to get to work on the site... why are you staff? The work of the Game Master in any game like DnD or RuneQuest or the likes is to make the experience as enjoyable as possible for the participants. This is a different format, a different system, but I've always viewed the staff of RPG forums as The Game / Dungeon Master, with the power spread to allow more participants. Systems differ, ways differ, but the underlying point stands. Edited by Beary, May 12 2013, 10:10 AM.
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| Byakuya | May 12 2013, 10:15 AM Post #10 |
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Here's the thing; no matter how long you've RPed here and how powerful your character has become over time. You'll never be Yonkou Level or you'll never amass military power. If you have military power suddenly the RP isn't about your actions anymore, it's more based on how much power you have over others. Someone with military power wouldn't have to give their all on the battlefield due to it, and many of the stories would be simply flat and whatnot, like what's the point of fighting others when you're a fucking Yonkou with fleets of high end NPC's at your call? I don't agree with that logic, at all. If someone had gone through the trials to gain that amount of power and they deserved such prestige, it should be attainable. However, no matter how you look at it, your PC will NEVER be as strong as a Shich, Yonkou, Admiral, or Sea Knight. If you ever face one the only way you'll win is with sheer luck or having a numbers advantage, you'll never be as strong as them outright no matter how much SD you have, sadly enough. Admins control the board. This isn't a democracy, if the members want something to be changed they can bitch to the Admins as much as they'd like. However it never makes a difference because the Admins would never admit to their faults and are too egotistic to change their fuck ups, no matter how negative the reception of these things are. Admin rule is final, admins say what we can and can not do, and we can't defy their will otherwise we'll get banned. Sad but true. The lazy staff question has been asked many times. Boils down to the Admins not trusting people with power except for their closest friends. Problem is, most of their friends are inactive as fuck. Because the Admins themselves are inactive as fuck. |
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The Official G. Fist Topic Sacrilegious - The Official OPRP Manga. "I don't know!~ Crimson makes me think of red, which makes me think of that our previous captain, Daisuke. I'm a little uncomfortable with that considering as I cringe often when I remember what a disgusting person he was." Daisuke G. Fist, 446 SD, Bounty: 105,000,000 "2/10 Would not bang."Hana Matsui, 170 SP, Pirate, Bounty: 15,000,000 [Rin's Report on Takuya]"Takuya doesn't seem very much like a marine. Anger issues, lieing about his age, drinking problems, and a potential rapist, yet somehow he gets shit done." Takuya, 139 SD(Marine Commander, 25 Commendations) I'm lost. Why does Hiryuu have a thing for Amilia? I don't even...."Hiryuu, 66SD(Pirate) RainingBlades is a sex demon
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| Beary | May 12 2013, 10:24 AM Post #11 |
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Democracy stuff referred to the staff. And yeah, I get the whole point about your influence becoming too strong. I exaggerated my point it seems, but the whole idea is still that attaining any level of power or just living your life should be a multiple choice kind of deal and the way you choose should be up to you. If you have the money and / or the influence to build a pancake factory in a castle with cake catapults on a deserted island, why couldn't you? I think Shamma has a character with traits to make herself royalty, nothing celestial dragon level, but still, royalty; there's a level of power and influence attained simply with birth. So how would I go about attaining this with wealth? With hard work? Would this just simply come down to traits? No matter what you do IC, traits can attain you the position of a higher noble, or a grand merchant? I could never become the commander of a marine base like Captain Morgan with simply my achievements ic? I could never own my own clothing stores line and live in a mansion like Pappagu? All with hard work and earnestly gathered money. Edited by Beary, May 12 2013, 10:27 AM.
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| Byakuya | May 12 2013, 10:31 AM Post #12 |
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That noble trait was omitted for that very reason, Beary. No, those are rather small feats. Leading a Marine base is perfectly attainable at certain levels, as well as owning a pancake factory. Just be aware that EVERYONE you have power over are mooks, and this leads to weak overall power. However an economical approach could be different and attainable. although I'm pretty sure staff would find a way to put an end to that dream as well. You can own tons of shit, as long as you realize you dont have huge economical power on said Island. Edited by Byakuya, May 12 2013, 10:32 AM.
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The Official G. Fist Topic Sacrilegious - The Official OPRP Manga. "I don't know!~ Crimson makes me think of red, which makes me think of that our previous captain, Daisuke. I'm a little uncomfortable with that considering as I cringe often when I remember what a disgusting person he was." Daisuke G. Fist, 446 SD, Bounty: 105,000,000 "2/10 Would not bang."Hana Matsui, 170 SP, Pirate, Bounty: 15,000,000 [Rin's Report on Takuya]"Takuya doesn't seem very much like a marine. Anger issues, lieing about his age, drinking problems, and a potential rapist, yet somehow he gets shit done." Takuya, 139 SD(Marine Commander, 25 Commendations) I'm lost. Why does Hiryuu have a thing for Amilia? I don't even...."Hiryuu, 66SD(Pirate) RainingBlades is a sex demon
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| Dyson | May 12 2013, 10:39 AM Post #13 |
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I really think this is a good question and I'd love to keep it on topic if we could. When it comes to staying in a single place for a long amount of time, it's something that I've actually done as well. I had a character who remained on a single island and worked as a low-level Marine. There were adventures and stories that took place, but he stuck around in the same Marine base the entire time (which, naturally, I was able to define as I saw fit). If I had stuck with him and kept him on the island (for whatever reason that developed) then I certainly would have had him slowly earn a higher rank until he was running the base. In fact, the system for 'fame mooks' would have allowed him to have command over a small group of seamen once he had reached an appropriate rank. So what it comes down to is that if you want to define your own little corner of the world and just deal with matters that pop up locally, well, you're pretty much welcome to it. There are only a couple of small problems that rise up in those cases, both that have been explained a little here. You can't have notable military power (to the point where you assume to have an army at your command, or a fleet of ships, or a dozen cannons, just because) and you can't have additional sources of power or income. There are ways to have both, of course, if you're willing to work for it and keep it very limited. The military power is limited by your basic mooks and your ship. The idea of paying for a ship and making it a building instead might be something of an issue since you're making yourself suffer (having an immobile ship) but that doesn't mean it's impossible. For a merchant, you could build yourself a grand store ship and then ram it straight into an island where it stays for however long you wish. Then you can pay for the rooms, weapons, 'staff', whatever you want (Plus this is a One Piece roleplay, which is an island and seafaring focused universe, so there's nothing wrong with a ship shop conceptually). Additional sources of income are a bigger issue, however they can similarly be added in small amounts. Merchants would naturally come with traits that allow you to earn extra Beli, so just make a trait that you have shops that do business, and you earn extra Beli from those profits. You can even say that all the Beli you earn comes from those shops. It's just an IC explanation for an undefined OOC earning. There's one final point, and that's renown. You wanted to know about how to make yourself have dozens of shops all over the place and get really famous, right? Just say you are. Say you're the greatest merchant and you have little franchises popping up all over the place. There's an accepted system for 'Canon Brands'. Everything from fashion lines to idol singers kind of get out there and get known by others. You can say you're known far and wide, but it's only if other people really care (or narrators) that you get mentioned outside of your personal sphere of influence. So if it's important to your character to stay in one place and grow instead of exploring the depth of the world outside? Well, you're not going to get anything of real value out of it, but you can certainly get away with it. I can't say it serves a purpose to start pricing out land and castles and materials and the like. There aren't a ton of rules working -against- you unless you want 100 soldiers at your beck and call. If working against the style of the RP is what you need to have fun, just don't expect special support. (And just to mention, I think the rules in the work for the New World will be focused more on territory and renown. So you can head there if you want landmasses under your flag.) |
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Mariko Hel Eljudnir • No Position • Carpenter/Martial Artist • No Crew • Bounty: 58,000,000 • SD Earned: 200 • Beli: 41,000,000 • Location: Island of Rage, Grand Line • Strength: 80 • Speed: 45 • Stamina: 70 • Accuracy: 35 • Fortune: 53 • Lark Reyes • Commander • Inventor / Marksman/Martial Artist/Smith • The Ardent Wings • Commendations: 41 • SD Earned: 287 • Beli: 45,572,500 • Location: Kyuka, Route 2 • Strength: 53 • Speed: 125 • Stamina: 54 • Accuracy: 125 • Fortune: 67 • Veice Vicious • No Position • Navigator / Weapon Specialist • No Crew • Threat: 103.5 • SD Earned: 215 • Beli: 20,850,000 • Location: Loguetown, East Blue • Strength: 84 • Speed: 84 • Stamina: 55 • Accuracy: 50 • Fortune: 57 • Ritsuka 'Rizumu' Meiban • No Position • Entertainer/Weapon Specialist • No Crew • Bounty: 60,00,000 • SD Earned: 214 • Beli: 48,900,000 • Location: Naia Island, Route 4 • Strength: 45 • Speed: 60 • Stamina: 54 • Accuracy: 65 • Fortune: 56 • Remember those who tread before you. Jeanne Larahe • Alycia Rose Crawford • Sanosuke 'Onii-chan' Harada • Lina Aconite | |
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| Beary | May 12 2013, 10:51 AM Post #14 |
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Thank you, all, this cleared up a lot of stuff. An open discussion was all I wanted about it and I got some clear answers out of it. I've today gained a better understanding of the system and way things work here. It seems that some of the things that didn't get completely cleared here are just an addition to the list of things to come, so there's nothing more for me to do then wait. |
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