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| Tweet Topic Started: Apr 7 2013, 10:16 AM (738 Views) | |
| GlasgowSmiley | Apr 11 2013, 12:49 PM Post #16 |
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Right so, paragraph by paragraph: 1. It's not he fruits make users "Too Strong" it that's they they give them a very easy and abusable On Hit Kill move. That is what makes fruits banned. Phoenix and Buddha being the exception here as they give near near immortality an omnipotence basically. (Oda has stated that a Human eating a Human Human fruit would be enlightened.) These are things that are simply unfair to have in an rp and we're already lenient about certain fruits. There are fruits out there that are already unbeatable in the right circumstances and they are allowed. More often than not fruits are banned because they are "Overkill" in their basic use. 2. This a roleplay first, rpg second. Hence why we refer to it as a roleplay with rpg elements. The story is what matters the most not the I'm going to add to that that Mzoans in fact work exactly that way due to their rarity representation in canon. 3. A scoop accomplishes the exact same thing. You consider people jerks for trying to powergame? Welcome to the internet, you must be new here. The ban rules on DF's exist for a reason yet you want them gone but these jerks to stop doing that? I'm sorry, that's far too idealogical thinking. Even if fruits are random, people can scoop and make a character that tailors a stupidly hax build. Look at Spirit and his mercury logia character. Prime example of abusing mechanics over an already lax limit, hence new limits were imposed on all. You can always have jerks to min-max a character unless we take a way a lot of roleplay freedom and no one wants that. tl:dr version, this post just seems to contradict itself and is expressing a hate for a certain group of characters and roleplayers more so than actual well built argument as to allowing all fruits, banning the choice of fruit and beating down on min-maxers. I'm not convinced by what you said and aim to explain why with reasons outlined above. Edited by GlasgowSmiley, Apr 11 2013, 12:54 PM.
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| ♠ RainingBlades | Apr 11 2013, 01:07 PM Post #17 |
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This same idea was discussed for pages before, and while I would just love to have another chizzah topic, I'd like to take us down memory road. As said in topics past, things aren't going to be tailored for the desires of one member. The truth is that most people getting a devil fruit want a specific one. Often they want a fruit that's already taken, but such things happen unless we want 10 mera mera users running around. Secondly, you're arguing people design their characters to match a devil fruit, but isn't that what all characters do in some way? Aren't marksman characters designed to be good at long range combat? Aren't haki users designed in many cases to alter their fighting style around haki? Life return? Certain traits and techniques? You're acting like the only people who try to min max are devil fruit users, but the truth is mostly everyone min maxes in some way. There are few cases where a character is not designed to be the best they can in there area, whether they have a fruit or not. Edit: Dyson pointed this out too, so I know I'm not the only one. Plus there's what icy said about scooping. People did it with rdf, what's to stop them if we basically make all devil fruits random? Edited by RainingBlades, Apr 11 2013, 01:09 PM.
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| Darkhunter | Apr 11 2013, 01:22 PM Post #18 |
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Horu controls emotions with a thing that basically doesn't even work as a debuff you just get depressed and lose all motive for life unless you have the plot power of depression already. And Law's fruit is just lol silly. Oh don't forget all those 1 hit fruits and Kuma's ability basically makes him untouchable since he can just push everything that comes near him away. Gura can destroy the planet since well... its said that it can literally destroy the world. So theres plenty of reasons to ban fruits. |
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| Kazehaya | Apr 11 2013, 02:37 PM Post #19 |
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Maybe I should just rephrase everything; I did kind of write this in a rush. We aren't running out, that's true. Most of the current paramecias are either uninteresting, too complicated, or just strange and unappealing, and they are simply overlooked. It's why I suggested that the approval process be a bit more lenient, so there'd be a greater variety of fruits. Only a choice few go after the abstract fruits; the ones that give your character a non-combat ability, like angle or encore. Though, now that I've read everything, I guess we really don't need a bigger variety. I dunno. I guess it's inevitable. Things probably should just stay the way they are for now. But, I have learned a few things about DFs and such from you guy's replies, so I thank you all for that. Consider anything after this post off topic, I guess. Edited by Kazehaya, Apr 11 2013, 02:38 PM.
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| Umbert | Apr 16 2013, 06:23 AM Post #20 |
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Well people need to man the f*ck up. Very few people in canon were even aware of what DF they were eating until they discovered its power. Just look at Kaku and Kalifa: neither of them knew what they were eating. What if Kalifa had gotten the Yami Yami? Or the Op Op? Would that have made her a totally different character? No. The person defines the fruit, not the other way around. It may change their personality or their outlook on life or even their mannerisms (arrogant logias, Magellan in the toilet for 18 hours a day, etc) but all in all, the personality of the person develops the powers of the fruit that they use. Anything is possible to do with a DF's powers, that's the beauty of them. A character that is designed to have a specific fruit is fundamentally flawed. You shouldn't create a character based around a single idea, because if things don't work out, then you're going to give up on that character. What if I'd made Umbert with getting the Magma fruit in mind? I'd have scooped years ago. You should make a character to be fun to roleplay as. Not so that you're perfectly designed for a certain perk: it's narrow-minded and unimaginative, which is not what roleplay is about in any medium. The reason I think all DFs should be random is so then people are forced to actually use their imaginations to create an interesting and engaging character, rather than one that is basically a humanised DF. And if they think the rolling is fixed? Bite the bullet and deal with it. There's no point scooping because if a mod sees you being a bitch about your DF and scooping almost immediately just to roll again, I know enough mods to know they WILL fix the rolling so you get the exact same one. |
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| GlasgowSmiley | Apr 16 2013, 08:09 AM Post #21 |
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Umbert to it plain and simply: Some people want to roleplay Mary Sue's and Gary Stu's and there's the staff can say against it unless it starts breaking rules and ruins the fun for everyone but those are mostly systematic issues. Personality/history wise, if someone wants to make a Snowflake character, Staff is not in a position to judge. It's your personal dislike for some characters that's fueling that post and the previous one and not a systematic suggestion or care for the greater good of the board.
I don't know how everyone else roleplays but I like to have fruits to my characters that compliment their personality. My current main characters have gone through so much concept browsing and writing that I don't even know what I really want with them but I know for a fact that I'd enjoy them with or without fruit. In a shonen roleplay, having a certain power makes a character thematically more likeable. Ace wouldn't have half his popularity without a grand power like mera. Most epithets come from Devil Fruits and if Umbert got poopbird then I think Poopbird Umbert wouldn't be a fun thing to see daily. It's not that every character on the site is this bad, it's really a minority. I think the majority here seeks a power to compliment the personality they are roleplaying as because it is far more difficult to roleplay a personality you don't like just to have a matching power. But the system does not differentiate between people who want power or people who want a good story. Every member is the same to us, systematically, and you're well allowed to have your opinions on such characters. But if these start clouding your judgement and make you want to impose rules on such people then there is something wrong with your objective judgement as a member of staff. Rigging rolls and whatnot is not acceptable on any level. Take your personal frustration with those characters to the Anger Dome because it's not a valid reasoning for discrimination between members an their characters. |
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