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Devil Fruits
Topic Started: Apr 7 2013, 10:16 AM (739 Views)
Kazehaya
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Problem: We're seriously running out of devil fruits. We've got exactly 18 Paramecia left.
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We'll run out of those pretty soon. We need more devil fruits.

Cause: You guys are way, WAY too stingy with devil fruit ideas. A lot of great ideas have been suggested, and only like, 11 of them have been approved, paramecia-wise.

Suggestion/Fix Don't count in the devil fruits that are banned. In other words, if someone has an otherwise good devil fruit idea but it overlaps with a banned fruit, don't shut it down. For example, my idea
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was denied because it overlaps with Awa, when it shouldn't, because Awa doesn't exist here.

Obviously, some fruits like Ope are too far gone to be saved, but something like Awa should have a OPRP version.

Lemme know what you think.
Edited by Kazehaya, Apr 7 2013, 02:33 PM.
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Awa does exist, it's either banned or needs a viable description for players and there's plenty of fruits. Those fruits have been available for months on end and I'm dropping a paramecia soon so another gets added.

There is no problem, we've got more fruits available than we ever had before. The problem is it's not what members want. Members want powerful fruits and taking a marvel or dc comic power and calling a devil fruit doesn't work. As many have said before, standards won't drop because we've got a "need" for... more than 20 paramecias? This is probably the least convincing argument for lowering standards I've seen so far, I'm sorry.

Awa exists and it's T3 or so? All fruits exist except for that weapon paramecia I think and the filler fruits.
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This thread seems like an elaborate ruse in order to get some otherwise unaccepted Devil Fruits passed. I spoke to Yaksha about this a while ago and he simply said that we can't guarantee everyone gets a DF. Of course members who have been here longer are able to acquire the fruits they want first.

In addition, more new fruits are revealed in the manga that maybe put on the list. Yuki Yuki no mi (snow snow fruit) was not on the list for a long while. The idea around "DF limitation" is to make you more creative RP'ers. As for your idea, I suggest the same thing Byakuya told me to you: "If it takes you only a few minutes to think about, its probably not getting passed". Please think outside the box and flourish your creativity. By doing so, you embody the ideals we are attempting to place instill in RPers, creative thinking and uniqueness.
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Ah well, thought I'd try. xP
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Also 18 paramecia left? Hahahaha yeah we're good for many years. The low tiered paras often get taken by new members who don't stick around for long or get dropped by high tiered characters in favor of a better fruit later on. Plus theres always mzoans which aren't listed so theres many options for members
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Speaking of the mzoans, why aren't they listed? Is there a specific reason, or have you guys just not gotten around to it yet?
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Staff want them to be a mystery for the most part.
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Ah, that's cool. On a similar note, is Marco's Phoenix fruit available? I feel like you guys wouldn't allow it due to the regeneration thing.
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Marco's fruit is classified under Mythological Zoan type and as Dark said, its a mystery which ones we have and which we don't (in regards to Mzoans).

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Besides, there are alot of good ideas that have been suggested, but that no one makes for the sake of the fact that there are things that are 'better'. For example, I thought up a 'scroll fruit' which lets the user roll himself up like a scroll. But what practical uses could I come up with for such a fruit? Lolnone. So I didn't make it.

So that list is more like, a list of fruits that are currently 'known', but there are a good hand full that people just haven't bothered to invest in because traits are better spent elsewhere.
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its been openly said phoenix is banned bc regeneration thing is too strong
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I thought so!
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I don't think any DFs should be banned, personally. It's a damn rare fruit, and some fruits make their users noticably more powerful just by having them. We shouldn't have fruits be banned just because they make users stronger or "unbeatable" by some players. If an admin/mod has another reason for why fruits are banned, please feel free.

But I don't think players should be able to request specific fruits. You save up the traits and ask for A devil fruit. You don't name it as Logia/Zoan/Para. You only name its tier. It should be up to the mods to decide what fruit you get, not you.

Not everyone has an encyclopedia of DFs, and I think the nature of DFs players find should be a mystery until the point of consumption. Then you can't get jerks tailoring their characters to a specific fruit so that the DF compliments their character's existing powers.
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I really had to jump on here because of your post, Umbert. I'll try to not ramble too much.

For the main focus of the thread - allowing more DF ideas to pass in order to bolster numbers - I can't really support it. There are plenty of DFs that are not in use right now, and particularly with number limits (You're only allowed a single canon Paramecia) there's never been a massive shortage of them. The rules are really strict, but they suffer mostly from a lack of good ideas and a quick denial process. There are far too many people who come to the site, dump a dozen or two ideas, and then either stop or leave when they continue to find failure. We've seen too many Radiation paramecia (or worse, logia) and all matter of speed, power and teleportation DFs. This is going all the way back to the site's creation!

However, that's not to say there have never been good ideas. Sticky production-type Paramecias have been pushed forward for a long time. Gluing things together as a theme has been denied, sticky tar has been denied, and glue itself has been denied - at least until just recently. Sometimes a player just avoids the DF Ahoy topics completely and talks to an Admin seriously and directly about a concept and gets it approved. This is immensely unfair to new players who go through the 'proper' channels, but then again we don't want every new player flooding Yaksha or Speak in muscle DFs and plasma logias. Some ideas are workable, and can be made fair - it's finding the right timing and the right place to suggest it that gets things approved. And even then some really questionable concepts can be passed, and in some cases reversed once another Admin gets wind of the decision (such as the orbit-based Planet DF recently approved and denied).

Anything, this brings me to Umbert's comment. Banned fruits are one of those topics I'm really interested in, mostly because there's a few real gems there that are ignored for one reason or another. However, it's not fair to say that no DF should be banned at all. There are, for better or worse, reasons for each DF to be banned from player use. A lot of it has to do with how it affects the rest of the world and other players, however. More important, however, is that the staff outright refuse to edit anything presented in canon (outside of denying it completely), giving every DF every conceivable power it has in the manga (I know, this goes completely against how some DFs are site-defined with painful rulesets that turn people away from the fruit).

Gura (Earthquake) for instance, is banned because people have no idea about how to scale its power. When someone hits R44 (or hell, R28) they're going to start shattering islands and arguing for their right to do so. This makes them world-affecting in strength, and is too much of a hassle to even police - thus denial is just easier.

Baku (Munch, Wapol's) is banned because of its potential one-hit kill power - the power to bite through anything. Any suggestions for systemising its biting is just denied. Arguments for its inclusion are denied. It's just forgotten in the banned pile now.

Horo (Perona's ghost DF) is banned mostly for the ghost form. First it's feared that it'll be used to dodge all attacks, and second there is a fear that the user will merely leave their body behind and travel safely anywhere, attacking without fear of repercussion. Again, systems for it are denied and arguments about Haki's effect on the astral projection are ignored. That would be altering the DF, after all.

The recent Buki Buki (Baby 5's weapon DF) was denied just because no one wants to deal with it. At all.

Another common reason for denying DFs, such as Kage, has to do with affecting the IC world much like Gura does. Army formation isn't allowed, and Kage also has one-hit kill abilities.

All of that aside, some DFs could be fixed up. As I pointed out before, they just won't be. They're best left forgotten unless someone catches the Admins in a really good mood and a real conversation is produced.

As a final note, on the idea of random DFs for everyone. The early RDF stuff should point to how ineffective that is. Mod rolls cannot always be trusted, and you're taking on an ability that defines your character. Only MZoans go far enough to have the random roll, which no one honestly looks positively on. Making all DFs random would produce accusations of cheating and mod bias, and greatly increase the rate of scooping. We've already seen people willing to sit on a character for 3 months to get out of an unwanted MZoan. Doing that with every unwanted Paramecia or Zoan would kill the site.

The tailoring is going to happen. People don't want to design a character who uses swords and end up with something that can't compliment that. Even if they want something that doesn't compliment them, that's a choice they have. A player shouldn't have to be a laughing stock unless they choose to be. It might break the reality of the universe that people end up with DFs they like most of the time, but sometimes you have to be fair to players too.
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