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Bullet speed and shigan
Topic Started: Mar 3 2013, 04:26 PM (1,431 Views)
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Oda himself mentioned that the CP9 agents would sprain their finger while training the shigan. You must collide your finger with something physical in order to do that; meaning you must actually connect with an object. The finger itself is being jabbed through the target; otherwise just creating bullet sized projectiles via shockwaves wouldn't itself be capable of harming the individuals own finger.

I don't know what wikia you're reading, but it seems to make it quite clear that the Shigan makes the users finger a weapon capable of puncturing the target; not creating a shockwave projectile (not at it's base level at least).
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@ Dark, if ur argument is roku techs r underpowered then you have no argument, @Blizz, shockwave, no shockwave, y care? Make the same rank and edit description or don't the conclusion is the same.
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its a melee shockwave, its not like you cant just use it as a melee move with extra power.

if you wanna cry about the shockwave go ahead, but nothing is changing.
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The hell's a melee shockwave? It's a bloody finger stab. All the description's doing is having people thinking that shigan here is actually ranged at base instead of needing you to be in melee range.

I find that an interesting way to settle something, can't give a good reason so ignore it till it goes away. But then the same thing's being done with fixing profession bonuses so why not?


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Its a finger stab with an extended range beyond the actual finger.

ok *sadffrog face*
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Mar 5 2013, 01:49 PM
The hell's a melee shockwave? It's a bloody finger stab. All the description's doing is having people thinking that shigan here is actually ranged at base instead of needing you to be in melee range.

I find that an interesting way to settle something, can't give a good reason so ignore it till it goes away. But then the same thing's being done with fixing profession bonuses so why not?


It's a melee shockwave for the sake of branching into more powerful melee or a further shockwave. Melee doesn't branch into shockwaves, this tech is a bit of both to offer a wide variety of branches on the Shigan technique. Finger stab, yay. It extends for less than a foot? Why is that a bad thing. Make a finger stab for r14 if you want one. The way I see it it's for the sake of making all kinds of branching that the base tech is slightly ranged melee.

I implore you to not spout statements you know nothing about. Professions are in fact the most discussed topic in the W.C. at the moment and profession bonuses are the thing up there that we're trying to fix. There's a million open issues but that is literally the one we're trying to figure out now.
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Why couldn't icy's explaination be said right in the beginning? Do people really gotta be such oppressive dicks? Darkoda had a fine question. Simply asking why isn't a crime when there is such a simple reason there.
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I made the base Shigan technique. I apologize for the confusion in making it a shockwave. I hadn't read the arc where it was used in a long time, and I recall that the long-distance variants of it were used a lot more often than the actual close-range poke version.

The base Shigan technique will be re-written at a lower rank. Tobu Shigan (the ranged variant according to that thar OPWikia) will work exactly like the current shigan, and will be an exception to the "no branching a slash into a shockwave" technique rule, since it's part of a specific discipline that seems to do just that.

I hope this clears things up for everyone.

Edit: This does not negate what the staff who spoke before me said. They were operating under the assumption that this was a deliberate, rather than an unintentional, change to the base function. I apologize to both the staff and members who were confused by my original oversight on this matter.

And yes, Melee Shockwaves totally are a thing, even if it's not the case here. Just think of it like slightly extended reach.
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Ah, okay then.

While we're on rokushiki stuff, what's the special thing about Rankyaku? The description says that it's different from a normal shockwave but can't anyone make a cutting shockwave that keeps going at rank 22?

And what happens when rankyaku meets something made out of iron? Will it cut it or just bounce off?
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the fact that it has basicly unlimited range is the reason its rank 22 since a kick becoming a cutting shockwave is automatically rank 18 and even then its very short ranged.
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It's also piercing. Stone is on the same level as iron in our system so I imagine at least a dent unless Speak meant otherwise. Conventional Shockwaves really don't go as far as this, it's got cutting properties and it pierces the lowest tier of materials (to at least some degree?) so you're winning at least 6 ranks there.
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In regards to shigan shockwave, wasn't the range variant one that had the user flick?

Will that be a thing?
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Mar 9 2013, 03:48 PM
In regards to shigan shockwave, wasn't the range variant one that had the user flick?

Will that be a thing?
That would be a custom creation requiring the rokushiki mastery trait. It won't be added as a simple tech you can just add to your profile.

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Mar 5 2013, 04:27 PM
Why couldn't icy's explaination be said right in the beginning? Do people really gotta be such oppressive dicks? Darkoda had a fine question. Simply asking why isn't a crime when there is such a simple reason there.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with raising concerns over an issue you see with the site structure. Its actually encouraged.

What many of us mods take issue with is the way in which these issues are brought up.

1) Hey, I don't think shigan should be a shockwave.

2) Whoever made it that way is an idiot.

Part 1, great! We love to hear your input.

Part 2, you better watch your tone, cause you aren't making any friends fast that way.

If you are going to raise an issue with the site workings, then it should be done in a polite, fact-focused manner. If you come in right off the back insulting the staff's initial creating of a system, then don't be surprised if you get a bunch of mods popping in to talk right back down to you.

Darkoda, I've noticed it in the past, but sometimes when you raise issues like this, your arguments have a slightly insulting undertone to them. Now, perhaps you don't intend it to be this way, but you must remember, this is an online forum. We can't sense your attitude from your tone of voice or body language, all we have is your words. You may find it benefits you in the future to word your arguments with a bit more tact.

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You should also not double post, that's why we have an edit button.
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