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Bullet speed and shigan
Topic Started: Mar 3 2013, 04:26 PM (1,428 Views)
Darkoda
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Okay, shigan's description has it as basically a semi-piercing shockwave that moves at 'bullet speeds.' Ignoring for now that shigan isn't a shockwave in the first place....

All well and good except that I've been repeatedly told that bullets move at your own speed stat so basically does that make shigan just a semi piercing shockwave? In which case why is it so high ranked?

There should be something in there to justify rank 22 when you can make a piercing shockwave with your hands at rank 18 (and without this only effective on soft substances limitation either).

And on that subject, why is base shigan a shockwave anyway? We all know that it isn't, it's a really fast finger stab. The flying shigans were Lucci's variation.
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shigan actually is a very short length shockwave and its rank 22 for the reason that true bullet speed goes beyond the speed stat, so think of it more like soru speed.
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Is it a shockwave just on the site or in OP canon cause no where does it state in OP canon that it's a shockwave.

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If I take Rokushiki on my character, can my character perform the base techniques differently?

My main character has a thing about attacking with his back turned, so Sure would be a back peddling run, Shigan would be a poke under his own armpit at someone behind him, and Rankyaku would be a reverse windmill kick. Could I edit the descriptions of the base techs to suit this?
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Mar 3 2013, 06:19 PM
If I take Rokushiki on my character, can my character perform the base techniques differently?

My main character has a thing about attacking with his back turned, so Sure would be a back peddling run, Shigan would be a poke under his own armpit at someone behind him, and Rankyaku would be a reverse windmill kick. Could I edit the descriptions of the base techs to suit this?
Yes, if you mean he's taking this trait:

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Rokushiki Master (1 trait) - Character must be a Martial Artist and in the Grand Line to obtain this trait.
The character has completely mastered Rokushiki. Through vigorous training of pushing their body to the utmost limit, they are now able to make their own custom variations on any Rokushiki Technique. Additionally they gain access to the most powerful Rokushiki technique of all, Rokuogan.


That's literally exactly what the roku master trait is supposed to do. It allows you to modify the base techs, whether simply creating a similar of rank tech, or branching the base techs into improved versions.
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Mar 3 2013, 05:23 PM
shigan actually is a very short length shockwave and its rank 22 for the reason that true bullet speed goes beyond the speed stat, so think of it more like soru speed.

Okay, given that canon shigan isn't a shockwave at all, what is very short length?

Still doesn't answer why shigan's a shockwave given that you guys have a don't change canon thing going.
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because canon shigan is a shockwave. This is an old argument that we've debunked many times in the past. Shocking yes but its shown to be a shockwave.
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When luffy got shigan'd, his back extended out like it usually does when he gets shot by bullets. Since the shigan users didnt really like try to stab all the way through, one could assume that it is a shockwave-like carrying the momentum.
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But he was Shigan'd by that one VA and it didn't happen then. That also didn't happened with anyone else or holes would be blown through anyone Shigan'd.
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Mar 3 2013, 07:37 PM
When luffy got shigan'd, his back extended out like it usually does when he gets shot by bullets. Since the shigan users didnt really like try to stab all the way through, one could assume that it is a shockwave-like carrying the momentum.
Luffy. The rubber guy whose body bends when hit. That's what you guys are basing this on? Really?

What did you expect to happen when you get stabbed by someone trying to shove their entire finger through you and your body is rubber?

And yes, they did most certainly have no issues shoving their entire fingers through people. That's exactly what Lucci did to Luffy, shove his clawed finger right through him. The only time there has been a shigan shockwave is when Lucci tossed them at Luffy.

I really don't know how you guys reached shockwave when there was a far more sane solution there - Luffy's body bent back because he is rubber and just got hit by something moving with the force of a bullet at point blank range. There is a reason why that never happened to anyone else who got shigan'd

Seriously using your logic Sanji should have gotten his back blasted open when Jyabura juushigan'd him in the chest.
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This whole thread is proof someone cares. Did you join the thread just to say that?
It is important to question the rules if you disagree with them or we'll all be slave dogs. I agree the shigan does not appear to fire shokwaves. Its momentum can shove what it hits back like Kalifa's whip-like shigan, but that's a modification to the base technique anyway.
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I actually agree with Darkoda. I never saw a shock wave element to the basic shigan. Just seemed like a super pro poke.
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oh darko, always causing headaches, although for all it's worth, the one piece wikia does state it as shoving your finger, physically, into the target. Yanno, like people do to wrapping paper without holes in it. I mean to me it's fine either way as it's not my area of expertise, but i would like to hear the reasoning if possible on how it was decided to be a shockwave.
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plus for arguments sake lets say it is a shockwave, we're talking about a piercing shockwave here that travels at soru speed. Thats really damn impressive and would normally be ranked 28 or higher all roku techs are actually under ranked.
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