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Legacy Traits
Topic Started: Feb 15 2013, 07:35 PM (1,671 Views)
ShadowEx24
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I dont get it? Why cant you just go to the grandline, do one SL there, get haki and then go back to the blues? Is there some sort of extreme danger or restriction? Though it doesnt make sense to restrict Haki in the blues to me, I still dont get the problem in going to the GL to get it? I dont mind going to the GL to get it doesnt seem like a big deal nor is it extremely unfair, they're not asking you to live in the grandline or stay there for the rest of your lives.
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It costs 18,000,000 beli to come back from the grand line plus the cost of the ship you went over in since that gets abandoned as well. Not to mention if you don't have a navigator it seems almost damned near impossible to do.

Add all of that to the fact that your character may not want to go to the grand line, and instead could better spend his time in the blues is another issue as well. Logically, if my character wouldn't go over the damn mountain ic, I wouldn't force him to (which would be directly against said character's personality ie bad roleplaying). The rule is a farce and the only reason it even stands is because "That's just the way it is." It irritates me but I wont press this issue any further since people very clearly don't want to even bother having this discussion.

*Just an interesting afterthought: You can get t3 logias in the blues but you can't get haki. Tough luck non t3 logia getters. Sucks to be you and in the blues with no way to fight back against those logia users at all.*
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Because theres so many t3 logias.
Edited by Benjamin Kaito, Feb 22 2013, 04:39 PM.
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but they do exist, either limit logias to the gl only as well or allow people to get haki in the blues. Seastone is not really possible considering the diminished beli gains as if you gain beli normally at 100 sd you will only have 25 million, which is far less than what seastone costs, and if someone were to save their traits they could take a t3 logia at that point.
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Feb 22 2013, 04:58 PM
but they do exist, either limit logias to the gl only as well or allow people to get haki in the blues. Seastone is not really possible considering the diminished beli gains as if you gain beli normally at 100 sd you will only have 25 million, which is far less than what seastone costs, and if someone were to save their traits they could take a t3 logia at that point.
You can't get seastone pre-GL, period.
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another argument to limiting logias then
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And logias are stated to be the rarest type of fruit, discounting the different archetype for zoans. Mainly myth of course. Some restrictions make sense, others or more so, lack of em, don't make sense at all.
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Because pvp is so common.
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That beli factor doenst seem amusing at all. I dont really understand why we cant solve this a democratic way because this is basically Aristocracy and Autocracy combined where the top guys say "This is how it is, deal with it!" but I do understand that in an RP mods have all the power and they should unless there is a valid argument and in this case there is, so get everyone's votes because with what zander said, you really cant go to the grandline at 50 SD, not alone anyways because there is no way to have that much beli excluding the ship costs.

Also if the goal is to get the One Piece (has to do with the orignal anime) why cant we use Haki in the blues (there are hints of people that have learned haki there in the anime) so basically, you take one thing from One Piece and then change the other (though I do understand that there is no "solid" evidenced but if there is hint, I would think going for it) and btw I am going to the GL but for the other people that dont, I dont see why you have to restrict them but hey, thats just my opinion based on the facts. I wont say anything after this, after all the decision is made by the people at the top and thats fine, just putting my opinion out there though
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If you were to divide the Grand Line into stages, the Blues would be the first stage, with the next level up being the Grand Line. Relative to the number of people in the blues, there are actually not that many people who go to the Grand Line besides those that were born and raised there. Remember Don Krieg? He was considered the cream of the crop in the Blues and got his ass handed to him in the Grand Line on day one.

The Grand Line is a more dangerous place. That's one of the reasons people are more likely to unlock Haki there. Haki is basically discovered through severe mental stress and a sense of powerlessness, which can be very common in the Grand Line for anybody whether or not they actually want Haki or not. Can you go through the same thing in the Blues? Absolutely, but to be completely honest, it's not going to happen as likely. Yes, I know it's not the best example, but whatever.

Anyways, going back to the point Clarity was addressing, the Grand Line is treated as a serious place where people expect greater threats and power levels. Both in our system in canon, bounties are easier accumulated in the Grand Line then in the blues. This is because not only do those people have to face stronger adversaries and whatnot, but because all of the big fish are already in the Grand Line, people are going to be giving it more attention than the Blues.

Where am I going with this? Basically, the Grand Line is a much more serious and dangerous place. As you guys argued yourselves, some characters might not have any reason to get to the Grand Line. That's ok. Some characters also might not have any reason to get haki or higher tier devil fruits. It's not like those things are required. It's not like a character who sticks around in the blues is going to feel cheated out. Hell, they probably haven't ever even seen haki in action as long as they're chilling in the blues. It's you, the player, that is feeling cheated, and you shouldn't be. When you reach the Grand Line, the next level, you are rewarded. You get perks such as more beli, more fame increases, and access to greater materials and abilities as a reward for subjugating yourself to a far more limited rp environment. If there's no benefit to being in the Grand Line, why go there? To get to the next area where there's still no benefit? To do something you could have easily just as done trolling around in the blues?

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RainingBlades has charisma to convince me o.o lol but yeah, I do understand your reasoning. Well, most of it anyway. Still sort of shaky on Haki but atleast you didnt say it was impossible in the blues so it makes sense to an extent with more trauma, stress and all but people will still disagree though and I can undestand their reasoning too. Well, since its not going to change, im going to live my life now besides, I plan on going to the GL anyways and my opinion(s) have been stated so goodbye to this thread q.q
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Just out of a sense of fairness and equally sound logic t3+ devil fruit should be Grand Line exclusive. Especially Mzoans, AZoans, and Logias if anything.
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Just out of a sense of fairness and equally sound logic t3+ devil fruit should be Grand Line exclusive. Especially Mzoans, AZoans, and Logias if anything.
T2+ is limited to he GL anyway and Azoans have no benefit over regular zoans other than some features and having 50 sd earned to actually get one. There are no T3 mzoans, that'd be stupidly cheap considering how hax those are.

For equally sound logic, you shouldn't be able to get anything that is worth 4 traits in the blues. That means T5 fruits only. A logia in the blues will get bored, he can't invade 90% of it's population anyway and why would you worry about that in the first place. i've been in the GL for 1 and half years now, plowing away at the islands and it's exactly the same as I would do in the blues.

My advice is to stop being chickenshits about the invasion of count 'em 3 logias that could bother you. (Dark is never giving up Moku) You can beat all of them with a barrel or a jar, they all act like Caribou's Numa Numa. I tend to trust the memberbase to the point where they're not all assholes and find some kind of loophole to abuse and be... "king of the blues"? Remember when we had a yonkou drop in the blues and claim an island? That was fun.

Honestly if you got that kind of powergamer in the blues and you're so worrid about it, chances are you're one yourself and got a zoan that speed boosts through the roof and can kick the logia's ass before they even know it anyway, lock em in a jar, toss it into the ocean and sip a lemonade while agilely dodging bullets. It's been 4 years and considering 2 people actually had a logia by random roll on starter characters, there are no "terrorists", wandering the blues. No one ever had this problem and since the invasion rules got introduced, high sd chars are simply boring their asses off in the blues. If you're there for story, knock yourself out, no but you yourself is forcing you into the gl because you need a certain ability to advance the story. Guess what, if you were about story all along, you never needed any of that to begin with.

And even so, overcoming RM is enough of a representational challenge to obtain haki as soon as you smell the salty air of Paradise. It can be s much of a symbol of character growth as you make it. Whether you drown over it and climb back onto the ship as if nothing happened or sit around the deck and mope while your ship goes on a rollercoaster, there's nothing stopping character development by going to the grand line. The only motivation I see in this topic is a "want" to stubbornly progress the story in the blues and all kinds of other arguments about balance and system slammed around it.

It's a shonen rp about being the best and being the best implies leaving your safe home area to new, unexplored territory. If this was a Pokémon rp, you'd want to be a Pokémon Master without leaving Pallet Town. Get to Viridian and Pewter, gather badges. You can train by route 1 on ratatas and pidgeys till lvl 100 but that's shit EV's bro and you only have your starter. Fuck you don't even have pokéballs. The only scary thing to worry about is Gary Oak showing up to challenge you for a battle but you know as well as I do that if he showed up, something went wrong.
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Well, considering you all decided to extend this debate/debacle in my SandQ thread for some inexplicable and bizarre reason, my two-cents-to-sense on the concern about legacy traits and there availability compared to logias is that right now the scariest thing in the blues is me.

I have no zoan.

I have no logia.

Obviously I have no Roku or Haki either.

And I'm not afraid of any blues-awarded logia either. They would need way more than just that class of DF to even be on the radar.There are way bigger dangers to a player than other players who will never want to RP in your threads anyway.

Like me.

Who will.

In a heartbeat.
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