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Martial Art Mastery
Topic Started: May 6 2012, 07:15 AM (283 Views)
Darkoda
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Okay, so from what I understood, if you choose that you need to pick something specific to apply it to, like leg stuff, throws, hand strikes, etc.

However, people have gotten the bonus to apply to things like Fishman karate techs, which involve punches, kicks, and water throwing.

So, can you get it to apply to more stuff at once like that? Or is it just because Fishman Karate is canon (which would be incredibly unfair)?
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Fishman Karate is an exception, I believe. Because, as you said, it is indeed canon. Low-leveled Fishman Karate users have simple, normal Karate physiques. Where as high-leveled users can use the water in the air and water in general to add to their Fishman Karate abilities.
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Which brings up my previous point; that is incredibly unfair since they get the bonus to water manipulation, punches, kicks and anything that can be related to karate basically while everyone else would have to choose one of those and likely still have a fight to get techs to count.

If everything in fishman karate counts, then why can't say all of tai chi, or muay thai count? They involve punches and kicks and movement, but fishman karate involves a whole slew of things as well yet that's fine.
Edited by Darkoda, May 6 2012, 08:32 AM.
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the bonus should be applying to water manipulation, as that's what it focuses around.

If you were to choose something like...idk...twisting strikes or something as your focus, then you can have the bonus apply to any sort of twisting movement you make with any body part for a tech.

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Fishman Karate's bonus goes to any movement that can be used to manipulate water within the style, including the basics of the style that don't manipulate water. So that karate chop that you'd get a bonus for is the basics of a water manipulation technique within the style, which gives fishman karate an exceedingly wide range of things, but they all must focus on the basics of Water Manipulation at the very least. Meaning that a haymaker won't get the bonus, because that is not even basics of water manipulation.

At least that's what I'm thinking is the logical explanation. Dismiss this if I'm wrong.
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Oh? So if I say that my style involves strikes with friction enough to ignite, going by that anything that can lead to fiery punches, chops kicks etc would count?

Going by that definition, any tech that can be justified to lead to the central point of your style count count for the bonus. If that's the case, then as long as it applies to any martial art, fine. If it's only fishman karate, well we all know how I feel about that by now.
Edited by Darkoda, May 6 2012, 09:22 AM.
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I had something of an add-on question to this topic, as I have never heard of people getting their MA Mastery bonuses for Fishman Karate techniques.

My Fishman character has a unique form of Fishman Karate that, in reflection of her character, does not rely on her being barehanded but instead relies on her using her swords. She does have Advanced Weapon Mastery, and thus receives bonus technique levels on her normal weapon techniques. Her form of water manipulation, dubbed Ocean Knitting, has already been approved and has been learned (She uses a Rank 14 Technique as a baseline to prove her ability, something I'm unsure anyone else would waste time with).

Her normal sword techniques naturally follow the same movements that her Ocean Knitting does (of course), and are meant to flow into water manipulation techniques. They all use her swords, which falls under the definition of the trait ("All techniques involving this weapon are raised...") and can be considered part of her 'style' if it comes to that.

Should she also be receiving the bonus to her water techniques? Aside from the header of 'style' (Which is more an issue of the traits' definitions) I don't see a major difference.
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No. Only water bending shit goes with fishman karate, anything else is considered too vague. So no, you wouldn't get the bonus for a simple karate chop.

Thats like if I picked tai kwan do as martial art mastery only kicks would work as kicks are the primary form of fighting it's known for, for judo it would be throws.

As for you Dyson, that's a tough question since normally we count shockwaves produced by weapons as being a weapon attack which is what this would be sort of but then that raises the question of validity in what receives a bonus.
Edited by Darkhunter, May 6 2012, 12:07 PM.
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May 6 2012, 11:58 AM
No. Only water bending shit goes with fishman karate, anything else is considered too vague. So no, you wouldn't get the bonus for a simple karate chop.

Thats like if I picked tai kwan do as martial art mastery only kicks would work as kicks are the primary form of fighting it's known for, for judo it would be throws.
Really? I asked specifically because I saw people applying it to simple punches and stances.
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mods arent perfect, so things get by us sometime. If we see it as a big enough problem, we can always have it corrected, but then again, this isn't tattletale time.

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Then Tommy tries to think up a plan to defeat this guy and after a few seconds, thought of the perfect plan to knock him out which was to punch him in the back of the head. He then out maneuvers him by side stepping to the back of him and punches him right on the back of his head perfectly which then knocks him out for the rest of the bar brawl. "That took care of him, now who next?"

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