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Conquering - the only way?
Topic Started: May 3 2012, 01:40 PM (2,060 Views)
Comma
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How about this?

Ideatoss kgo

You can roll for Kings Haki once every X months. Lets say 2 months (but each time you try, you get +1 to the dice roll in your favour), for example. Like that, the rules aren't saying "Only the lucky elite have KingHak", they say more-or-less would say "Anyone can have KingHaki. You just gotta be patient enough or be lucky", so there is less Nazi-ness in the system.

Edited by Comma, May 4 2012, 01:31 PM.
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That's basically just like scooping again and again to get it, only this time we're making it easier.

Again, it's not for "the elite" because it's based on luck. If you consider the elite 200+ sd, then there's no way you're getting king's haki with less than that.
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Elite as in "The lucky ones".

But anyhoo. Another ideatoss

How about you can get a 100% sucess diceroll KHaki if you have like.... 10 fated traits. If you don't have 10 fated, you can just try your luck with ther regular roll.
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It's still the custom Haki which is bothering me. I'm perfectly fine with Conquering, but it could just be an inborn thing, maybe rolled for at creation? Luffy was able to use said Haki without having trained and focused for it, so the bizarre thing that only once you have become a disciplined user can you discover if you can use it or not is weird to me.

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To me, it seems like that kind misses the point about Conq. Haki being 'one in a million' like it is in canon, and on this site
- you kinda veered away from the whole custom Haki thing. But you got it bang on that I feel custom Haki should be available, given high amounts of work/traits/whatever. Also, from what I gather on this site it isn't one in a million here, it's rather much more likely.

EDIT : I'm not really for a large amount of chances to get Conquering Haki. That does go really against canon as it stands.
Edited by Serrational, May 4 2012, 01:53 PM.
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How about you can get a 100% sucess diceroll KHaki if you have like.... 10 fated traits. If you don't have 10 fated, you can just try your luck with ther regular roll.


So what we're saying is "You'll get conquerer's haki, and we all know it but until then let's waste your time"?

I like it better when we say "You might get it, you might not. Who knows." We do, however, acknowledge that when you invest the time and limit yourself for a CHANCE at conquerer's haki, it's not really fair for us to lock you off after one bad try. The chance is equal each time, so that you get it when the fates decide it.

One last statement:

How many people on here have Conquerer's Haki right nowi? 2?

Assume 100 people get it.

Is a 100,000,000 population in One Piece that strange? It's "one in a million" because it's very rare people get it. Our spotlight focuses on fairly extraordinary people, though. The kind of people who would have it.

Similarly, even with how rare DFs are in canon we've seen like 50 of them. However, there's still presumably 999,950 people without them out there. We just...don't care about them.
Edited by Yaksha, May 4 2012, 01:56 PM.
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Yaksha (Laneh) • Assassin • Martial Artist • Navigator • Thief • Ragnarok PiratesBounty: 75,000,000 • SD Earned: 0/300 • Beli: 35,350,000 • Location: Weatheria
Strength: 57------Stamina:50------Speed:75--------Accuracy:60-------Fortune:78

Malikai • Marksman • Smith • Doctor • Scientist • N/A • Threat: 34.5 • SD Earned: 0/177 • Beli: 18,750,000 • Location: Candy Island
Strength: 45------Stamina:39------Speed:40--------Accuracy:60-------Fortune:61

Juan • Inventor • Weapon Specialist Bounty: 5,000,000 • SD Earned:0/88 • Beli: 23,350,000 • Location:
Strength: 45------Stamina:35------Speed:25--------Accuracy:25-------Fortune:30

Ahriman (Savlin) • Doctor • Scientist • N/A • Threat: 2 • SD Earned: 0/47 • Beli: 8,270,000 • Location: Pharsalus Island
Strength: 15------Stamina:13------Speed:19--------Accuracy:25-------Fortune:23
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1st of all, would that be including the three used for reg haki?
2nd, are you trying to imply that you'd spend all 10 traits for conquerors or just a portion of it? Because if it's the first, then that's just stupid. If it's the later, then why make you have more fated traits?
3rd, (if the answer is no for 1) this would mean a practical guarantee for king's haki if you have 250+ sd. If we go with only spending a portion of these 10 traits, then you can just scoop, get king's haki and then use your extra fated traits for something else. Considering you can't even roll for king's until you have at least 200 sd, you pretty much are taking out the entire luck factor completely.
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May 4 2012, 01:52 PM
you pretty much are taking out the entire luck factor completely.
I'm trying to figure out a way to do that.

A clever, yet balances/Realistic system. I'm personally not aiming towards Haki, but I like to theorize up rules that sound good to you. BecauseImbored

If the Luck factor cannot be touched, evar nevar, I'll just leave it lol.
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Probably a double post, but...

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It's still the custom Haki which is bothering me. I'm perfectly fine with Conquering, but it could just be an inborn thing, maybe rolled for at creation? Luffy was able to use said Haki without having trained and focused for it, so the bizarre thing that only once you have become a disciplined user can you discover if you can use it or not is weird to me.


We had a very similar thing to this with devil fruits called a Random Devil Fruit roll. You could take it for three traits and get any type of fruit up to a T3 fruit. We got rid of this because we felt that it was stupid to give you something you didn't earn.

This is what you're suggesting, but with haki.

We aren't going to give you king's haki unless you earned it (and even then you need some luck). And if you're so concerned about it being "overpowered", then why would you ever think that we'd even consider potentially giving it to a newb who we don't even know if they will follow the rules or not?

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you kinda veered away from the whole custom Haki thing. But you got it bang on that I feel custom Haki should be available, given high amounts of work/traits/whatever. Also, from what I gather on this site it isn't one in a million here, it's rather much less.


Look at it this way: There are x many actives characters on this site. There are probably about 10,000-100,000 times many in the rp world that the site is based in. Your character is surrounded by thousands of other npcs that aren't nearly as important; heck, even starter characters are given an edge considering they can get stats at the 10 benchmark without even needing any sd earned, and that benchmark compares you to Olympic athletes and what not. So when it might be one character out of x many OOC, it truly is one in a million if not more IC.
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maybe rolled for at creation?


make character. Got KHaki? Nope.

Make new character. Got KHaki? Nope.

Make new character. Got KHaki? Yup. Keep.

I don't think that would work. Edit: Well, formally, it would, but it wouldn't be too pretty.
Edited by Comma, May 4 2012, 02:09 PM.
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Good grief, you make it sound like I'm trying to manipulate myself Conquering Haki. I'm fair enough with the chances. I'm happy with it being a rare chance. That's how it should be. But taking a stab at me about rules? Really? Has my demeanour really engendered you to think that?

Also, And, well, devil fruits are supposed to be pretty unknown until you eat them, but a devil fruit roll guarantees a result. A roll for Haki wouldn't have any results other than "Yes" or "No".

EDIT : Well, that would require somebody with a hell of a lot of premade backstories...
Edited by Serrational, May 4 2012, 02:11 PM.
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A roll for Haki still leaves you with advanced Haki.

I wouldn't really have an issue letting you switching dormant specialization out if you fail your CoC roll.
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Yaksha (Laneh) • Assassin • Martial Artist • Navigator • Thief • Ragnarok PiratesBounty: 75,000,000 • SD Earned: 0/300 • Beli: 35,350,000 • Location: Weatheria
Strength: 57------Stamina:50------Speed:75--------Accuracy:60-------Fortune:78

Malikai • Marksman • Smith • Doctor • Scientist • N/A • Threat: 34.5 • SD Earned: 0/177 • Beli: 18,750,000 • Location: Candy Island
Strength: 45------Stamina:39------Speed:40--------Accuracy:60-------Fortune:61

Juan • Inventor • Weapon Specialist Bounty: 5,000,000 • SD Earned:0/88 • Beli: 23,350,000 • Location:
Strength: 45------Stamina:35------Speed:25--------Accuracy:25-------Fortune:30

Ahriman (Savlin) • Doctor • Scientist • N/A • Threat: 2 • SD Earned: 0/47 • Beli: 8,270,000 • Location: Pharsalus Island
Strength: 15------Stamina:13------Speed:19--------Accuracy:25-------Fortune:23
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When I was referring to things such as "newb", i wasn't actually referring specifically to you. I was meaning anybody who comes to the site and is a new member. My apologizes that it came across differently. If it makes you feel better, then just think of what I said as anybody who has a brand new character, the only difference is that if they've been here for awhile and we DO know whether they'll follow the rules or not. Again, sorry that I didn't choose my word choice carefully enough because I wasn't referring specifically to you.

If you want to move the discussion about devil fruits, it's all here. To sum it up for you though: You know what fruit your character is getting, but they don't. Just like you know your character will unlock haki (in a SL i mean, not rolling for King's) but they don't even know that they have the potential.
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Good grief, you make it sound like I'm trying to manipulate myself Conquering Haki. I'm fair enough with the chances. I'm happy with it being a rare chance. That's how it should be. But taking a stab at me about rules? Really? Has my demeanour really engendered you to think that?
Sorry

I didn't mean it that way. Seriously. I just wanted to point out a possible loophole, not pointing out something about you personally.
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It's all good. Slight overreaction here, so oops.

On the Haki thing, I was just meaning a roll of "CoC or not?", not if it was shaded in gray of getting Haki levels.
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Well look at it this way: It's like rolling for an mzoan. You don't know what you're going to get: it's the mystery behind it. Only in this case, there can't be the mystery of "which king's haki do i get?", so it's only "do I get king's haki?"

I know thats probably a terrible reason, but I'm pretty sure we've used every good one in the book. At this point (and not to be mean or anything), there really shouldn't be any more discussion. Things are just repeating themselves and we're trying to find different ways to phrase things and make things make sense.

To be honest, I have no idea why I'm still even here in this topic posting ._.
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