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| Tweet Topic Started: May 3 2012, 01:40 PM (2,057 Views) | |
| Serrational | May 3 2012, 01:40 PM Post #1 |
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I'm still in-process with creation here, but it seems to me like to any high-level contenders have Conquering Haki. I mean, the addition of knocking people out seems like a really strong power anyway, so giving them ridiculous blasting capacity and the interesting move options seems a bit weird. Anyhoo, this question kinda amounts to : "Is this a game of scooping characters over and over to get Conquering Haki, or just be blasted around by the ones with it at the higher levels?" |
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| Mega | May 3 2012, 01:45 PM Post #2 |
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answer to the question: No. there are plenty of ways to get strong; devil fruits, cyborgs, inventions, etc. Conquerors Haki might be good for knocking out mooks but anyone stronger and they will have to actually fight. |
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| GlasgowSmiley | May 3 2012, 01:50 PM Post #3 |
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The liklelyhood of you running into a character with King's is nihil. PC is nearly a 3 zero behind the dot percentage. Obtaining haki could be a scooping game but the odds are higher than 1 in a million like they are in canon. they aren't great but thy aren't bad either. Additionally you can resist it through high fortune. With equal fortune you're pretty resistant to those attacks and there's certain margins. Plus we're working on a slight hotfix to King's. Edit: Quite far from Mook Cannon mega. Jagi can knock out about everyone but 5 players or so and when you can knock out half the top 10 sd, you're not knocking out mooks. those that can withstand it, get a de-buff. The only way to say "lolno" entirely to it is by having a higher fortune. Edit by Dark: tmi Ice, tmi. Remember the rule you can tell what we're talking about, just not specifics. Edited by Darkhunter, May 3 2012, 02:31 PM.
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| Serrational | May 4 2012, 12:49 AM Post #4 |
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So.... almost no characters can effectively compete with a high-level Conquering Haki user. And the user can also deal with any DF users through Haki custom techniques, making Logia resistances useless. And it seems like any high -level moves are either varying degrees of "I punch REALLY hard towards them." or custom Haki hijinks. I mean, the normal effect of Conquering Haki seems to be pretty damn good as an ability. Isn't only giving them custom Haki abilities as well a bit overkillish? It gives them all the capability to do the brilliantly flashy moves, Kamehamehaing all over the place, and the ability to end most fights whenever they feel like it. |
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| GreenSerpent | May 4 2012, 01:09 AM Post #5 |
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I admit he has a very good point. The normal effect of Conquering Haki is very strong - the ability to knock out or severly weaken others. Adding custom Haki onto that makes it a gigantic power source. |
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| ♠ Hainen | May 4 2012, 01:14 AM Post #6 |
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You are making a generalization from a single case. True, there are not very many characters that can match "a high level conquering haki user". However, is this a faulty point for several reasons, the foremost of which is this: You are comparing the highest-level character on the entire site with characters who are far below her in terms of progress. Of course Jagi will win against most the chars on the site, not singularly because she has haki, but because she is loads stronger. The haki only further manifests that point. This is not the same case at all as two people on the same level measuring eachother, with one having haki and the other having something else. It is also noteworthy that while haki negates logia defense, that's about it for negating DFs, and most of them will be far stronger than a haki user, when comparing the same amount of traits invested. That being said, I agree with your view about magical bullshit included together with haki. That staff, as a whole, seems to like them, however, and above all, it's very hard to draw proper lines. Valid point. |
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| GreenSerpent | May 4 2012, 01:18 AM Post #7 |
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Personally I have no problem with the three regular sources of Haki. I mean, that's why Logia users take Armament Haki - so they can resist the Haki of other people. THe only part I dislike myself is the custom Haki. (and of course the Yami Yami no Mi has total power negation, but that requires you to have a Tier 1 Logia) |
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| Serrational | May 4 2012, 02:09 AM Post #8 |
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Well, Conquering Haki is supposed to be damn good in One Piece, so it is kinda fair that it's really good here. But yeah, the custom stuff still bugs me. They can just fire flaming fairies from their flatulence, and it's all in the name of a Haki type which One Piece has as just knocking people out remotely. EDIT: Well.... the two highest people have it. It may be because now they have a character with it, they ain't gonna scoop that. Edited by Serrational, May 4 2012, 02:11 AM.
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| ♠ Shamma | May 4 2012, 02:23 AM Post #9 |
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The custom haki does go through checks before it is allowed, like custom devil fruits, though the servants do not have fluent guidelines for it yet (same with the fruits, if you are worried). It's a vague, non-canon thing at the moment, but give some time and it will be more sensible. Topics like this help encourage that progression. As for the two owners of it also being the highest SD... it is awarded by chance. Be as skeptical as you wish about that! |
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| Serrational | May 4 2012, 02:35 AM Post #10 |
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It's still bugging me. Haki seems to be turning into a GL ring for specific people, that's all. Why is it only Conquering Haki users are allowed to use custom Haki? Is there some special gene which only they have which make them able to use shape Haki as they wish? It seems like Armour Haki is closer to the custom Haki types I've seen people have. It's solid, it's used for offence and defence... it just seems more like the things people are using custom Haki for. |
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| ♠ Shamma | May 4 2012, 02:58 AM Post #11 |
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Well, they are considered to be pretty special in the canon... If you want a viewpoint into 'why just conq', besides the above special, custom haki being free for all would present a similar flood of ideas that already comes with devil fruits, and a lot of 'no' responses to dish out. If custom haki is harder to attain, the idea pool (hopefully) becomes more refined and unique. Concerning the similarities with armour haki, I think the members with custom haki are not really pushing the boundaries at the moment. Part because the boundaries are not really specified, and part because flavour of the quarter staff attitude is paranoia about 'overpowered' things. They can only get better at it with time. |
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| Serrational | May 4 2012, 03:09 AM Post #12 |
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Well... it's not really "harder" to attain, you cannot attain it if you fail. Which is very likely. It's blind luck, not any kind of skill in attaining it. You could have some complete idiot get it, then keep wanting an Overdrive-level Haki attack. So, it isn't really kept under control, it's a pot-luck one-shot try which anyone with the SD and traits can have a go at. Also, if those are just "not pushing the boundaries", then that kinda implies that these people can do even more than their already unique ability to fire Haki? Good grief, they have MORE powers? |
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| GlasgowSmiley | May 4 2012, 03:12 AM Post #13 |
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Personally I dislike the whole concept of custom haki as it basically, like shamma said, opens up the possibilty of some really outlandish powers. The understanding hower is that by getting King's you unlock all ofyour haki potential. Custom forms sprout out with one of the other colours (in our membase's current case armour) so that's why there's that similarity. King's is cool. But like Hainen said Jagi's level is still off from a lot of other characters and when you place 7 traits in your haki along with an element of luck, it should be worth it. Aparently the way I understand it custom forms are there to help make the traits all on the level of a T1 df. But it isn't as fundamentally broken as the picture looks now. King's boils down to fortune vs fortune and custom forms are discussed among the majority if not all staff. |
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| GreenSerpent | May 4 2012, 03:20 AM Post #14 |
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One small thing that occured to me. The ability to use your force of will to overcome the minds of people and knock them out. Now, if that was a Devil Fruit it'd almost certainly be banned, wouldn't it? EDIT: Please note me and Serrational are not trying to start trouble - we're just inquiring. We are both building characters and look forwards to joining crews. Edited by GreenSerpent, May 4 2012, 03:28 AM.
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| Serrational | May 4 2012, 03:34 AM Post #15 |
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Well... so every other user of Haki is just an amateur compared to these people, unable to use any other form of Haki? By birthright alone, and no other way, can you ever shape Haki into anything other than armour, or semi-precognition. Right. So if you train for many posts, devoting time to Haki, you could never manifest your power as anything but dodging or a field. Conquering just seemed like an extra ability which some few people had by chance, but it is the only way by which anything creative can be done with Haki now. Also high-level Conquering Haki overpowers a high-level DF user by knocking them out if they have pumped Fortune as a stat. And, if they've invested that many traits into it, they will want to be using it to best effect. |
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