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| AngelMayLaugh | Apr 17 2012, 07:20 PM Post #16 | |
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The reasoning behind custom haki was that king's disposition wasn't enough and they wanted to give people a little more for their roll or something like that. Rayne submitted first. Eff yoo rayne. Edited by AngelMayLaugh, Apr 17 2012, 07:21 PM.
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| Yuan | Apr 17 2012, 07:54 PM Post #17 | |
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I understand the need to edit Conquerer Haki, but I still feel uncomfortable with it. Devil Fruits already grant users unique supernatural powers, its going to be very difficult to create and approve supernatural abilities while there are already so many powers claimed by DFs. At the same time I don't like the idea of powers arising that don't fit the haki abilities such as Titan's character with "Spirit Birds" or the aforementioned "Spiritual Guardian" that Bya supposedly has... | |
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| GlasgowSmiley | Apr 18 2012, 02:11 AM Post #18 | |
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I still don't see how armour should translate in a loose translation of energy. All it does in Canon is ENHANCE something. Still don't get how you can form swords, guns and the like out of thin air. Aditionally, Canon actually has an argument for custom haki sprouting from complete mastery. I mentioned it before and one could argue that Luffy's Red Hawk Rifle or whatever it was called by other translators is a form of his custom version of haki. Because armour doesn't make fire explosions on impact, I believe you can speculate that that move is a custom variation of haki built upon the foundations set in the armour colour. Same goes for the custom haki here, both are somewhat built upon the basics of armour and take that into a different realm. But that discussion is secondary. I can perfectly understand forming giant spirit punches or setting up a barrier through haki but making a sword/gun/hammer/whatever out of thin air and calling it manifestation of armour feels more iffy to me. What is it exactly that you are shielding? Thin air and it happens to be in the shape of a sword with a cutting edge? I find that harder to believe than anything else in this topic. Exactly what stops me at rank 44 for making a Byakuya's bankai technique and calling it armour haki. They are small blades formed by my armour haki after all. It's my willpower, I can control my willpower. Quite silly in retrospect but there's nothing against it if I can make a 2 handed sword out of thin air at lower ranks? Edited by GlasgowSmiley, Apr 18 2012, 02:13 AM.
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| Darkoda | Apr 18 2012, 03:39 AM Post #19 | |
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People can ignite limbs and objects and cause shockwaves without haki at all. I see no reason why Luffy can't have figured out how to use all that heat he produces in Gear 2nd and enhance it with CoA to get red hawk without the need for any custom haki getting involved. | |
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| AngelMayLaugh | Apr 18 2012, 07:13 AM Post #20 | |
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Yeah, I don't think we should be jumping to Red Hawk being a product of Conquerors simply because of fires and explosions. Sanji could probably do that without any haki at all. Any weird uses of haki in canon probably just comes from the user's mastery of haki or because they mix it with an ability of their fruit, which makes it 'custom' for them. I'd hold off on saying canon has anything 'custom' until we know more. | |
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| Darkhunter | Apr 18 2012, 10:41 AM Post #21 | |
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So creating barrier walls of haki in thin air isn't enhancing the air Ice? It's not just about enhancing but close enough. We've seen the admirals do it and I think Sentomaru though I can't be sure there. As for custom haki you're right there is no solid evidence in canon for it and we've never said there was, its something we do on the site Hainen afterall has the power to edit canon. Though I do have a wild idea that custom haki could be real based on a few things however this isn't the time nor place for random speculations. Also Ice the problem with that is you're essentially attributing logia properties now to haki which isn't the case. Certainly you can control haki but not to that level of complexity the things we've seen so far have been pretty simple such as barriers and the enhancing properties. I go by what Oda explained haki as in the newly released databook for my determination of what contitutes as haki so I may be wrong and misread what he said but i'm going to assume thats a long shot. So yes shields, armor, barriers, and swords would work, probably not going to be creating guns as that again is a pretty complex mechanism idea you're going with. For Bya's bankai or such you'd need a custom version of armor at the very least to be clam and even then its a long shot since it boils down to mod judgement of whether or not thats a fairy ability to grant. |
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| Celes | Apr 18 2012, 03:12 PM Post #22 | |
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Could take this exchange to W.C. Or just elsewhere. | |
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| GlasgowSmiley | Apr 18 2012, 03:17 PM Post #23 | |
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When did I ever claim it was custom Haki? I clearly say you can speculate? Please don't assume whatever I say is fact when I clearly use this kind of wording. Clearly the discussion is against me here. Barriers are still formed upon a person or item. Shaped like a sphere around the person/item for convenience. I can understand armouring a slicing shockwave but making a sword that's quasi invisible to the naked eye out of thin air and swinging it around still feels wrong to me. Canon has literally no evidence to this being possible at all. So far all it does is make an invisible armour around the user's body/weapon. Naturally as if you were wielding a shield, you can bash others with that shield, enhance punches, arrows, swords etc in canon. Over-exaggeration to make a point with the bleach bankai thing. Why is it exactly that you need custom haki to make small slicing barriers but don't need it to make a solid sword and keep it that way as you swing it? In my opinion both should be a custom variation as to opposed to the rank 30 haki sword thing here. I believe CoA only allows one to "armour" certain things (spherical or otherwise). I don't think it should be a gateway to shaping things at all unless you have a custom haki. Still think that an invisible haki barrier shaped like a sphere is fundamentally different to a sword and making that jump by armouring thin air should be a custom haki thing. My two cents. For what they're worth. |
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| Titan | Apr 18 2012, 03:39 PM Post #24 | |
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| Darkhunter | Apr 18 2012, 03:43 PM Post #25 | |
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