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Devil Fruit Discussion; Suggestion
Topic Started: Mar 6 2012, 10:42 AM (1,299 Views)
Versesai
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Of course. But that only applies to obvious inactivity like over a month without an RP post or a situation mods agree is someone just trying to keep a DF they don't want to share.

In most cases, if someone plays their character and tries to advance, there is no reason why their DF should be taken even if they scoop. Only certain things free up a fruit such as death, inactivity or rare instances of fruits being taken for some reason that usually involves rules.
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That's fair. So if you kill another character (can you actually kill someone and how?) does that mean that person can't also scoop that character as a result? Or is that allowed?

So if I never scooped before and get killed in an event then does that mean I can scoop my character and retain my df or not?
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You can kill a character by invading and fighting with one person dying but it needs admin approval to be consider legit

if they have a free scoop available they would still be able to scoop and keep their sd so they could then theoretically take the fruit again. If someone didn't have a scoop available they'd lose half their sd and thus lose the traits that would possibly have held onto the fruit for them.
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If you announce your scoop before you let yourself die, then you can retain everything. If not, then death rules apply. Go to the rules section and look at the death rules, most of these questions can be answered that way.

But, everything requires permission. Including killing another PC.

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Then Tommy tries to think up a plan to defeat this guy and after a few seconds, thought of the perfect plan to knock him out which was to punch him in the back of the head. He then out maneuvers him by side stepping to the back of him and punches him right on the back of his head perfectly which then knocks him out for the rest of the bar brawl. "That took care of him, now who next?"

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You seem to be very concerned about members with other devil fruits and how they keep/lose them, so I'll assume you have one in mind.

The bottom line is, everything on the forum works on an 'You earned it' level. If someone has put the time and effort into something to obtain it, we let them keep it as long as is viable. The only way to lose a devil fruit that the player who owns it doesn't instigate is when a rule changes or something changes in their character and they lose their fruit.

Beyond that? People can take a Tier 1 devil fruit and do nothing but boring SLs about how they run a fish market and do no combat, risk or interesting story behind it and as long as they did so once a month at slowest, they are allowed to keep their fruit even if they scoop once every 3 months.

There are already anti-hoarding rules in discussion about restricting things but the bottom line is you'll not always be able to get a Devil Fruit you really want. There isn't a consolation for that either, we have high standards on custom Devil Fruits and we restrict a lot of fruits because, frankly, they would be too much in the RP without tweaking or changing them and because we are so in-tune with canon we do -not- endorse tweaking or changing of any kind.
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Okay guys. Thanks for the feedback.
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Mar 6 2012, 10:50 AM
1st) T0 is a slang term. Every fruit has a tier from 6 to 1 but some powers are simply too powerful that they would be prone for abuse in the hands of players with little to no effort. (aka Gura sinking islands at rank 4 or Kage cutting shadows and burning people up)
Anywho to your question, a list of available fruits and their tier is like a shopping list for members. And when you shop for good fruits, ya want them. Making that public will make more fruits known to some people but they'll all be taken in no-time hurting us in the long run. I just noticed the Current DF list has blank df's which is okay I guess but still.

Making a list of available df's is like throwing a bargain sale. People will jump on it and we'll have no fruits at all. Members who look for cool fruits through rumours, searching through old characters and socialising with the community however is coolstory. Kind of make the quest for that one fruit cooler.

2nd) Consider this ignored. Fruit rules are in place already but some people get to be grandfathered in. Not fair for them to ruin characters by taking away fruits.

3rd) What why. This is completely unfair to every member ever.

4rd) Fruits never get tweaked to make them work. Never ever. It's a ground rule, same thing why you can't be a Yonkou or an admiral and we already had the discussion about that.

5th) What? You already have to sl for a DF. Every fruit is obtained like you obtain an mzoan difference being you choose what fruit. There's an entire system for fruits starting from T4.

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I'd be fine with a list of DFs. We'll have to see who can get around to it.

Selling DFs would be a ridiculously easy way to make money, and we don't really want that. Especially if you're a cyborg, or some other group that can turn money into power quite quickly.


I would like to thoroughly...disagree with that incredibly odd way you said you disliked the list idea. Lists are pretty and you already link useful lists like this In the very rules themselves. In conclusion I found this answer rather....insane...

As to that comment on who might get around to this...I volunteer...in exchange for ten flintlock pistols. that's all....or nothing...i like doing tedious things like that. it's....time consuming.
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1) Well we have a devil fruit list already, just no tiers listed next to it. The list isn't all encompassing, but, at least Dark and I, are trying to list every fruit available for PC use when we update it. It's still a WIP and honestly won't ever be 100% up-to-date, but maybe next time we update it we can divide devil fruits up based on tier. If that's not a good enough solution though, then I think we're gonna leave this in the hands of the members.

Make a list if you want (try to be organized about it), post it up, and if it's accurate and thorough, we can easily make it a sticky.

2) Devil fruit restrictions, including limits on canon fruits, are already being discussed in the W.C. Hopefully the patch will be out in the near future and you can see what we came up with.

3) I think this one has been discussed enough already. Any other questions?

4) T0 fruits are never going to be tweaked as many people have pointed out. These fruits, although not available to PCs, are used for site high-end NPCs. Where are these high-end npcs? well...heh. I won't answer that, but basically instead of nerfing a fruit, we decided it is better placed in the hands of an admiral or yonkou. NPCs like that where staff is level-headed enough to not destroy islands or completely wreck face unopposed.

5) What exactly did you have in mind? All devil fruits tier 1-4 have to be gotten in an SL. If you want to get a tier 5 or 6 in an SL, then that's fine too. Mzoan SLs are no different than any other fruit SL.





I know most of this has been answered already, but I was hoping to clear things up. Also, I like to hear myself talk.

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SD Earned: 392
Bounty: 75 million
Affiliation: Pirate
Profession: Martial Artist / Thief
Devil Fruit: Pamu Pamu no Mi

Crew: The Black Sale Trading Company (BSTC)
Position: Captain
Current Members: 3
Crew Bounty: 193 million
Current Location: Sea Train Zone - Pucci

Then Tommy tries to think up a plan to defeat this guy and after a few seconds, thought of the perfect plan to knock him out which was to punch him in the back of the head. He then out maneuvers him by side stepping to the back of him and punches him right on the back of his head perfectly which then knocks him out for the rest of the bar brawl. "That took care of him, now who next?"

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Yeah, I think I got a definite answer on point 3 from everyone.

As for point 5. What I had in mind was that members just do a normal SL. The fruit they get at the end of the SL is randomly drawn by staff. So I can't say beforehand that I'm doing this quest for Gura Gura. What I get at the end of the quest is up to staff and luck I guess. That way when point 3 is reinforced the person who died can immediately do a SL to get another fruit (if they want to) with the only restriction being they can't get the same fruit as before.

So if the staff member deciding what fruit this person will get at the end of the SL has a dice and put down 6 fruits (tier 1 to 6). He can roll the dice and whatever number he gets is the fruit the person who finished the SL gets.

That way its more realistic. To make it more "fair" the member can give back the fruit if he/she does not want it but will have to wait a month before attempting to get a DF again.

But yeah that was what I had in mind.
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Well, if you ever wanted a random fruit, I'm sure staff could arrange it somehow. HOWEVER, read what verse said.

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The bottom line is, everything on the forum works on an 'You earned it' level. If someone has put the time and effort into something to obtain it, we let them keep it as long as is viable. The only way to lose a devil fruit that the player who owns it doesn't instigate is when a rule changes or something changes in their character and they lose their fruit.


If you do not have the proper traits to afford a tier 1, there's no way we'd ever roll a tier 1 for you. But let's say you have the traits for up to a tier 4. You can always do your own SL (doesnt have to be narrated), and find the fruit in the SL. Then when you put it up for grading, you can request to have a fruit randomly chosen for you by staff. They will see you have 4 trait points in fated and will look at our devil fruit list, find which fruits are tier 4, 5, or 6, and roll for you. Or you can specify a pool of fruits you want us to randomly choose from.

Here's the thing though. Technically, if you find a fruit, you have to eat it. We can't allow you to find a fruit and just carry it around with you. That can lead to a number of problems like other people in your crew trying to eat it when they don't have the proper OOC traits, we don't want you selling it, etc. So when you find it you must eat it. If you're willing to take that risk on a random roll, go for it. Just know that you won't be able to scoop out of the fruit until you have an available scoop, and the scoop has to be considered a "brand-new" character. Basically meaning different history.

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SD Earned: 392
Bounty: 75 million
Affiliation: Pirate
Profession: Martial Artist / Thief
Devil Fruit: Pamu Pamu no Mi

Crew: The Black Sale Trading Company (BSTC)
Position: Captain
Current Members: 3
Crew Bounty: 193 million
Current Location: Sea Train Zone - Pucci

Then Tommy tries to think up a plan to defeat this guy and after a few seconds, thought of the perfect plan to knock him out which was to punch him in the back of the head. He then out maneuvers him by side stepping to the back of him and punches him right on the back of his head perfectly which then knocks him out for the rest of the bar brawl. "That took care of him, now who next?"

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I don't exactly see how that idea constitutes as fair. You save enough traits up and you get a t5 zoan after waiting and saving all that time to get a t1 or in reverse you only have enough traits for a t4 and get a t1 purely out of luck. We used to have rdf for lower tiers where a person could get a random fruit with a small chance of it being stronger than what you normally could get. Also it wouldn't cause any more fruits to be available it would simply mean there would be more people not as happy as they would be with their fruits.
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Well, the way I saw it is that if you get a tier 1 fruit then you can "pay off" the traits as you get them. And for those who have too many traits they can use those for other things since traits aren't just for DFs.

If you think about it. People don't go around the world looking for the Bara Bara no Mi; they search for a Devil Fruit.

What's the chances of going out in the world and finding the exact same fruit you wanted to find.

Even Blackbeard mentioned that he was looking for a particular fruit and at the end of the day it was a crew mate that found it, right?

There's no known treasure maps that lead to a specific fruit, right? The fruit doesn't walk around, party with the locals, knock boots and leave for the next island; so when you reach this island someone could tell you: "Oh, you mean the Bara Bara no Mi? Great guy, amazing guy, I tell you. He's not here anymore, though. Said he's going to the next island."

So what I'm trying to say is that earlier someone said that this site is trying to stay as close as possible to canon. In canon people just don't find the fruits they want all willy-nilly. So it'll bring about an air of realism, and luck into the game.

But that's just my opinion. I believe in challenges (that's why I like trying to make DFs).
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The characters themselves aren't looking for a particular fruit, usually. IC they get a 'random' devil fruit usually. We know what it is OOC though. So it is pretty close to canon.

One of my guys got theirs in a competition and the other one got his as payment for a heist.
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It's still the fruit the player wants for their character, though, isn't it?

So in a way it's "legal" meta-gaming. But this is just a suggestion. Not that I'm saying it should change.
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Canon is maintained in the way that there is no easy way to find or identify devil fruits in universe, but Oda provides no rules for how they are provided out-of-universe. As such, our system is designed to facilitate character creativity within reason and randomizing a central factor for many characters is not so much a challenge as an inconvenience; it's an important distinction to make. The "logical" argument can be extended to reasoning that because a character cannot realistically choose their attributes or characteristics, entire profiles should be randomized.

In other words, Oda wouldn't randomize what devil fruit a given character had, so there is no reason the deciders of our own canon shouldn't.
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