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| Tweet Topic Started: Mar 6 2012, 10:42 AM (1,296 Views) | ||||
| Chizzah | Mar 6 2012, 10:42 AM Post #1 | |||
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I'd like to suggest some things concerning DFs. Note that this is only a suggestion and not a demand. So here it is:
The reason I believe the points I made above a relative and important is that doing things this way makes everything easier for everyone. Members do not have to keep asking staff for tiers of canon fruits. More canon fruits will be available for members to get (if I'm incorrect about point 2 and if point 4 is realised). Brings about more interaction between members (kill that dude so I can do a SL and maybe get his fruit) and etc. |
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| GlasgowSmiley | Mar 6 2012, 10:50 AM Post #2 | |||
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1st) T0 is a slang term. Every fruit has a tier from 6 to 1 but some powers are simply too powerful that they would be prone for abuse in the hands of players with little to no effort. (aka Gura sinking islands at rank 4 or Kage cutting shadows and burning people up) Anywho to your question, a list of available fruits and their tier is like a shopping list for members. And when you shop for good fruits, ya want them. Making that public will make more fruits known to some people but they'll all be taken in no-time hurting us in the long run. I just noticed the Current DF list has blank df's which is okay I guess but still. Making a list of available df's is like throwing a bargain sale. People will jump on it and we'll have no fruits at all. Members who look for cool fruits through rumours, searching through old characters and socialising with the community however is coolstory. Kind of make the quest for that one fruit cooler. 2nd) Consider this ignored. Fruit rules are in place already but some people get to be grandfathered in. Not fair for them to ruin characters by taking away fruits. 3rd) What why. This is completely unfair to every member ever. 4rd) Fruits never get tweaked to make them work. Never ever. It's a ground rule, same thing why you can't be a Yonkou or an admiral and we already had the discussion about that. 5th) What? You already have to sl for a DF. Every fruit is obtained like you obtain an mzoan difference being you choose what fruit. There's an entire system for fruits starting from T4. Edited by GlasgowSmiley, Mar 6 2012, 10:53 AM.
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| Darkhunter | Mar 6 2012, 11:00 AM Post #3 | |||
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4. To elaborate more unto what Ice said here's the complete reason why. We don't tweak devil fruit powers from what they show in canon because we don't generally nerf things. If something has the ability to logically do a action then we don't say "oh you can't do that." It just wouldn't have any logic based argument against it. Thats the reason Kage is banned, since stealing someone's shadow for someone with the shadow fruit would make a lot of sense. | |||
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| Chizzah | Mar 6 2012, 11:19 AM Post #4 | |||
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1) I know T0 is a slang term but for all extensive purposes Fruits like Gura and Kage fall under T0 because they're either too powerful or can't work for whatever reason in other words they're not available. Also by making a list like that it allows for people to have easy access to information. If you look at point 5 of this post you will see that regardless of what they see are available they might not get what they want. Also why would you want to hide fruits in the first place? It's like going to the store, hiding the last Lindt chocolate behind the Coke in the freezer so that you can come back to buy it later after you ran home to get more money. That's being greedy. 2) How is one account holding having multiple fruits (canon) fair to the other members? That's just being greedy. Not saying take fruits away from those who already have more than one canon fruits but instead saying that once that character dies or gets scooped that those extra fruits be kept available. 3) How is this unfair to everyone? The way it is now is that if Player A has Fruit A he can keep Fruit A for long as he wants even if he kills off/scoops Character A for B and Character B for C. What about Player B and C who would like to have a chance to play with Fruit A? So the way things are now it is only fair to the people who already have the DF they want because they'll be able to have it as long as they want. 4) Why can't Fruits be tweaked? If it could we can have more DFs available for everyone. If Gura Gura get tweaked so that the user's fortune determines the range of the fruit (in meters) then it could be made to work. Its small things like that which could make things workable. 5) What I meant is that you can go on a SL for a Fruit which Fruit you actually find is up to the staff. So you can either eat the Fruit or sell it if you don't want it (back to staff or to another member). To what Dark said: You don't have to stop Kage from being able to take someone's shadow. That's changing it not tweaking it. Tweaking would be "how he takes the shadow" and "what can be done to defend yourself from getting your shadow taken". Look at this for example: What would happen if the Magma Magma guy punched you with a Magma fist straight on the chest? |
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| SvenFold | Mar 6 2012, 11:43 AM Post #5 | |||
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Punching straight through is geared with strength, so idk | |||
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| Chizzah | Mar 6 2012, 11:53 AM Post #6 | |||
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I didn't even mention punching straight through but that was the first thing that came to mind, right? Why can't the magnitude of Gura's shockwaves be treated the same way? Now the person who has Gura not only have to focus on "Strength" to power the Gura but also "Fortune" to give distance to its range. Not forgetting stuff like speed, stamina and accuracy either. There's a way to make it work. We just shouldn't be reluctant to try. Because that's when it becomes a problem. |
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| SvenFold | Mar 6 2012, 11:55 AM Post #7 | |||
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Have you ever tried to dodge an earthquake? | |||
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| Yaksha | Mar 6 2012, 12:04 PM Post #8 | |||
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Allow me to make an example, Chizzah. Baku Baku. The infamous Munch Munch fruit. You can eat anything you want, from wood to metal to fire and probably even things that don't actually EXIST later on. You can eat ANYTHING. There's nothing your teeth can't bite through, nothing you can't digest. Nothing is too much for your iron gut and your incredible teeth. Except, of course, for the fact that you can't eat people. Or bite them in half. Because that's just unfair to the other members. But there's no real reason you CAN'T, except that the staff just don't think you should. And so you end up with your character just suddenly freezing up in the moment before they bite a guy in half. You see, the fact is that some fruits by their very nature and definition let you do things that could be considered cheating. Examples are Horu Horu being able to cause permanent changes to a character without permission, or Horo Horo being able to float around forever, fucking with people and never ever putting themselves in the line of combat. You can put a range on it, but if you're in a room with titanium on every wall and your astral projection's guarding it range isn't much of an issue. Or Kage Kage; rip off someone's shadow, toss them into the ocean, and watch them drown. Or leave them in the sun to dissolve. Or Hana which lets you make completely unstoppable surprise attacks. Or Nikyu which lets you push ANYTHING ANYWHERE FOREVER. This isn't godmodding or powerplaying. They're just applications of a devil fruit power. To say that you can't do them is just a level of canon fuckery we don't want any part of. These fruits, by the very nature of what they do, are considered too much to give a member. And limiting them creates a very silly situation where a Baku member suddenly develops a sensitive stomach when it comes to human flesh, or a Hana member needs to spend a post just making their limbs. Neither of which canon even slightly supports, and would amount to "Well you CAN do it, but we'll pretend you can't." Instead we just say "If you had it, you could do it. So you can't have it." Edited by Yaksha, Mar 6 2012, 12:18 PM.
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![]() Yaksha (Laneh) • Assassin • Martial Artist • Navigator • Thief • Ragnarok Pirates • Bounty: 75,000,000 • SD Earned: 0/300 • Beli: 35,350,000 • Location: Weatheria Strength: 57------Stamina:50------Speed:75--------Accuracy:60-------Fortune:78 Malikai • Marksman • Smith • Doctor • Scientist • N/A • Threat: 34.5 • SD Earned: 0/177 • Beli: 18,750,000 • Location: Candy Island Strength: 45------Stamina:39------Speed:40--------Accuracy:60-------Fortune:61 Juan • Inventor • Weapon Specialist Bounty: 5,000,000 • SD Earned:0/88 • Beli: 23,350,000 • Location: Strength: 45------Stamina:35------Speed:25--------Accuracy:25-------Fortune:30 Ahriman (Savlin) • Doctor • Scientist • N/A • Threat: 2 • SD Earned: 0/47 • Beli: 8,270,000 • Location: Pharsalus Island Strength: 15------Stamina:13------Speed:19--------Accuracy:25-------Fortune:23 | ||||
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| Chizzah | Mar 6 2012, 12:10 PM Post #9 | |||
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Dodging an earthquake would look cool though lol jumping from falling rock to falling rock trying to avoid getting sucked into a fissure. Was just hoping there was a way at working through some them to make them usable, Yak. Anyway what about the other concerns since the tweak concern is out of the question? |
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| Yaksha | Mar 6 2012, 12:14 PM Post #10 | |||
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I'd be fine with a list of DFs. We'll have to see who can get around to it. Selling DFs would be a ridiculously easy way to make money, and we don't really want that. Especially if you're a cyborg, or some other group that can turn money into power quite quickly. |
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![]() Yaksha (Laneh) • Assassin • Martial Artist • Navigator • Thief • Ragnarok Pirates • Bounty: 75,000,000 • SD Earned: 0/300 • Beli: 35,350,000 • Location: Weatheria Strength: 57------Stamina:50------Speed:75--------Accuracy:60-------Fortune:78 Malikai • Marksman • Smith • Doctor • Scientist • N/A • Threat: 34.5 • SD Earned: 0/177 • Beli: 18,750,000 • Location: Candy Island Strength: 45------Stamina:39------Speed:40--------Accuracy:60-------Fortune:61 Juan • Inventor • Weapon Specialist Bounty: 5,000,000 • SD Earned:0/88 • Beli: 23,350,000 • Location: Strength: 45------Stamina:35------Speed:25--------Accuracy:25-------Fortune:30 Ahriman (Savlin) • Doctor • Scientist • N/A • Threat: 2 • SD Earned: 0/47 • Beli: 8,270,000 • Location: Pharsalus Island Strength: 15------Stamina:13------Speed:19--------Accuracy:25-------Fortune:23 | ||||
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| Chizzah | Mar 6 2012, 12:24 PM Post #11 | |||
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Okay, you make a really good point there. So what about the one account one canon fruit thing and retaining a devil fruit after a scoop/death being put to an end thing? |
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| SvenFold | Mar 6 2012, 12:26 PM Post #12 | |||
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No to the scooping. One account canon? Ehhh, I think no. Maybe limiting how many high end fruits a person can have is better. Death is so rare, that it doesn't actually happen. |
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| Versesai | Mar 6 2012, 12:29 PM Post #13 | |||
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There are already talks in the works to define a rule where a person cannot have more than one Canon fruit per account, though this ruling seems to allow an exception for the very limited few Filler/Anime/Movie DFs that are acceptable since we do not consider anything about those events 'canon'. As for your concern with fruit retaining: Death removes any claim one had over a fruit to my knowledge. You have to earn it again. Scooping does not. Scooping is recycling everything you earned on that character into something new, including Devil Fruits. This is to prevent people from having to sacrifice if a character, story or event makes their character unenjoyable or something to that extent. The short answers are; We already do that and we're not making it so scooping costs you a Devil Fruit, especially since someone could scoop and just immediately do an SL to reclaim their fruit rendering the entire thing unneeded effort. |
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Ovae Sevault Dachrinne • Doctor/Weapon Specialist • This Man's A Doctor • 5,000,000 • SD Earned: 77 • Beli: 16,700,000 • Location: God Only Knows. These Other Inactives
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| Mugenko | Mar 6 2012, 12:39 PM Post #14 | |||
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Isn't there already an inactivity rule in place where you can free up DFs? Or is that gone? | |||
Charlotte Pyotr • Captain • Marksman/Merchant • Nightmare Cruise • Bounty: 0 • SD Earned: 0 • Beli: 500,000 • Location: West BlueAmaya • Ensign • Smith/Weapon Master • Unassigned • Commendations: 0 • SD Earned: 0 • Beli: 500,000 • Location: East Blue
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| Darkhunter | Mar 6 2012, 12:45 PM Post #15 | |||
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