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| Tweet Topic Started: Jan 30 2012, 02:39 PM (2,813 Views) | |||||||||||||
| Benjamin Kaito | Jan 31 2012, 04:27 PM Post #31 | ||||||||||||
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Let's sum this up. Marines offer nothing, they suck and their ranks are simply for flavor. Marine strenght was always numbers but here, everyone is forced to be a Smoker. Also, Yonkou status alone offers nothing but respect. This respect alone doesn't mean you can summon NPC crews to aid you and I don't know where anyone got that from. And let me point out that anyone could gather a large army to aid them, by allying with other PC crews to take one single target down as a whole. Better ban alliances as well. |
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| Chizzah | Jan 31 2012, 04:34 PM Post #32 | ||||||||||||
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All my text disappeared. :( Anyway, a wise person told me if the majority is behind the idea then staff will make it happen with some tweaks of course. Like the gentleman above me said or implied is true. It won't really effect the balance of anything. It is just going to cause a lot of IC conflict which is a good thing because who would watch One Piece if every time Luffy met an enemy he was like: "Hey, let's forget about fighting. You can kill the puppies. I don't care. Let's go party!" And the bad guy said: "Sure, let's go!" Lol But with a lot of IC conflict there will be a need for staff monitoring topics because essentially things move from maybe you lose something or maybe you don't to you actually have something to lose so you're going to do everything you can to protect it (ex. I'm a Yonkou and don't want to lose that title). So we need to actually just ask staff if they're willing AND able to take on something like this. If they're not willing then why? If they're not able then why? Not willing: Seem like a lot of work. Not good enough reason. Not able: We don't have enough people do monitor threads. Now that's a real reason. Then we work together to make it possible IF that's what the majority really wants. Viva One Piece RP Viva! :) Edited by Chizzah, Jan 31 2012, 04:45 PM.
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| ♠ RainingBlades | Jan 31 2012, 05:39 PM Post #33 | ||||||||||||
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Excellent Host
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It's as dark says. You could have a weaker character than someone yet have an advantage just because of a title. Hell, if you're Admiral, nobody is going to (realistically) try and even touch you since that means practically declaring war on the marines, even if (theoretically) that Admiral was one of the weakest (in comparison to others) characters on the site. |
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| Byakuya | Jan 31 2012, 05:46 PM Post #34 | ||||||||||||
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THE GOAT
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Riptide Council. Also at this point certain characters are strong enough to take down an entire military. With ease. So I don't see why power would be the issue. |
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The Official G. Fist Topic Sacrilegious - The Official OPRP Manga. "I don't know!~ Crimson makes me think of red, which makes me think of that our previous captain, Daisuke. I'm a little uncomfortable with that considering as I cringe often when I remember what a disgusting person he was." Daisuke G. Fist, 446 SD, Bounty: 105,000,000 "2/10 Would not bang."Hana Matsui, 170 SP, Pirate, Bounty: 15,000,000 [Rin's Report on Takuya]"Takuya doesn't seem very much like a marine. Anger issues, lieing about his age, drinking problems, and a potential rapist, yet somehow he gets shit done." Takuya, 139 SD(Marine Commander, 25 Commendations) I'm lost. Why does Hiryuu have a thing for Amilia? I don't even...."Hiryuu, 66SD(Pirate) RainingBlades is a sex demon
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| Rasen | Jan 31 2012, 05:56 PM Post #35 | ||||||||||||
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Calculated
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It's not for the staff's sake to see whether if they're able to do it or not. Hell, IF they had liked the idea of granting powers to Shichibukai and Yonkou, then this would've been implemented a long time ago. If staff wanted to do so, then they are 100% capable of doing it. Honestly, the drama, tyrants, the power, and all that IC shit is already incorporated into our free-form system. Having such titles of Shichibukai and Yonkou for PCs is completely unnecessary at this point. |
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| Yuan | Jan 31 2012, 08:16 PM Post #36 | ||||||||||||
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Your best nightmare.
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Alright then. Here's a question. What is going to happen when one of these no-PC-allowed positions is taken out. An admiral is killed. A Yonkou is defeated and/or killed. And saying "We're still a long way off from that..." isn't an answer. Its just putting off the inevitable. |
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| Celes | Jan 31 2012, 08:18 PM Post #37 | ||||||||||||
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Rookie
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...Another NPC will replace them? | ||||||||||||
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| ♠ RainingBlades | Jan 31 2012, 08:22 PM Post #38 | ||||||||||||
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What Celes said. Unless the staff decides to trust such a position to a PC, then it'll just be another NPC (regardless of whether a PC beat the original or not)
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| Chips | Jan 31 2012, 08:31 PM Post #39 | ||||||||||||
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I don't want to be the staff member who says maybe. but maybe someday something will be implemented. [USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST] |
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| Yuan | Jan 31 2012, 08:35 PM Post #40 | ||||||||||||
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Your best nightmare.
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What is the point of that? By defeating one of these positions, a character has proven that they have equalized themselves with, if not surpassed the station in question. Once people start surpassing these top positions they are rendered pointless. PCs can continue to advance and evolve. NPCs cannot. If they do, and the mods intend to just keep upping the strength of the NPCs so that no one can defeat them, or replacing them with stronger and stronger NPCs, then what is the point of even advancing through this world? You're just going to hit a wall of NPCs that you will never beat. With this system, Marines will reach Vice-Admiral and have nowhere else to go. If they continue RPing, then they will eventually surpass the Admirals, rendering the un-obtainable rank of Admiral pointless. Once they are surpassed the Yonkou will be rendered pointless. What is the point of the "4 Emperors" who are supposed to be the pirates closest to becoming the Pirate King when there are other characters who could defeat them at any time and are actually closer to becoming king... |
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| Yuan | Jan 31 2012, 08:46 PM Post #41 | ||||||||||||
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Your best nightmare.
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I appreciate your willingness to consider our points Chips, and I understand your hesitancy to say this. Unfortunately, saying "maybe" with little-to-no conviction is not a resolution. It remains to be seen whether we can actually get a resolution out of this, but I for one am not willing to drop it yet. | ||||||||||||
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| Yuan | Jan 31 2012, 09:14 PM Post #42 | ||||||||||||
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Your best nightmare.
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I don't know who added "User was banned for this post." to Chips' post. If you did it yourself Chips then... Humorous. If it was someone else I would appreciate it if you came and addressed the issue yourself. If not that, then please at least contact me personally. |
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| Chizzah | Feb 1 2012, 12:41 AM Post #43 | ||||||||||||
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Don't want this thing to turn out ugly. At this point we've given all the reasons why this can work. If staff wants more reasons they can tell us but for now think a staff member should tell us "yes" or "no". Anyway completely agree with Yuan that it could work given the chance. |
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| ♠ Hainen | Feb 1 2012, 04:41 AM Post #44 | ||||||||||||
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No Fucking Way
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You are making the mistake of equating personal power with military/influential power. The definition we are running with is that the Yonkou are not necessarily the strongest pirates, but rather, the most influential ones. Defeating one in personal combat in no way equates you to them, it would, in fact, just get you targeted by all the Yonkou's followers. Yonkou, itself, is not an official term either, unlike admiral and shichibukai. It could just as well become Sankou or Gokou, or any other number. It just so happens they are four in the manga, and so it stuck. We are limiting members from gaining military power, not personal power. Noone is allowed to control a country, a marineforce or the like, simply because it fundamentally changes the way the RP setting is built, as well as adds an element that is impossible to balance. So yeah, there's your 'Why not?'. |
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| Byakuya | Feb 1 2012, 05:19 AM Post #45 | ||||||||||||
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THE GOAT
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One could control an entire Island with a small crew of powerful characters. Whether you know it or not. There's been at least five storylines on the site like that. And asHL said, anyone could gain military power through pc alliances. Unless alliances are banned, than one could easily gain Military power. Hell, it was one actually close to happening with Riptide Council. I just hate the fact no matter how strong you get, no matter what your character did, they'll always be insignificant in the nonexistent cano . When PCs should be able to shape the canon. Which is perfectly normal for great RP sites with longevity. |
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The Official G. Fist Topic Sacrilegious - The Official OPRP Manga. "I don't know!~ Crimson makes me think of red, which makes me think of that our previous captain, Daisuke. I'm a little uncomfortable with that considering as I cringe often when I remember what a disgusting person he was." Daisuke G. Fist, 446 SD, Bounty: 105,000,000 "2/10 Would not bang."Hana Matsui, 170 SP, Pirate, Bounty: 15,000,000 [Rin's Report on Takuya]"Takuya doesn't seem very much like a marine. Anger issues, lieing about his age, drinking problems, and a potential rapist, yet somehow he gets shit done." Takuya, 139 SD(Marine Commander, 25 Commendations) I'm lost. Why does Hiryuu have a thing for Amilia? I don't even...."Hiryuu, 66SD(Pirate) RainingBlades is a sex demon
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