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| Tweet Topic Started: Jan 30 2012, 02:39 PM (2,814 Views) | |||||||||||||
| Yuan | Jan 30 2012, 06:22 PM Post #16 | ||||||||||||
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Your best nightmare.
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I agree with this as well. Shichibukai should be achievable if the character would be useful to the World Government and if one of the shichibukai has been removed by defeat. Yonkou should be achievable if the character has reached New World and one of the Yonkou has been removed due to defeat. Admiral should be achievable if the character has advanced far enough in the marines and if one of the Admirals has been removed due to defeat or promotion. I do understand that being able to call a Buster Call whenever they want is a problem, but thats a simple fix... Just say that only NPC Admirals can call Buster Calls. A PC Admiral can only call a buster call if they are participating in a Mod-monitored event. If the mods want to use a Buster Call, then they go to the PC Admiral/s and say "You want to do this?" and if they say yes, you've got your admiral, if they say no or they are busy, you use the NPC. And keep the Fleet Admiral NPC, and then the movement of the marines as a whole is still controlled by the staff. Even the Admirals have to follow the orders of the Fleet Admiral. How else do you think Sakazuki was kept under control until now? Seems like only Sengoku could have done that. I don't have a problem approaching Hainen with this. but first I am going to make a Petition so that we can make all of this agreement official. |
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| Chizzah | Jan 31 2012, 04:24 AM Post #17 | ||||||||||||
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Didn't know this would happen but I'm for it. I guess it all contributes to the "goals" of this site. For a Marine that would be Fleet Admiral, for a Bounty Hunter it would be Shichibukai, and for a Pirate it would be Shichibukai/Yonkou/Pirate King. I believe if this is allowed it should be done through baby steps but eventually everyone should be able to become what they want if they work hard for it. Things like Buster Calls can have rules to it like there needs to be a combined bounty of X amount on an island (when the order is given) for a Buster Call to be justified. The only thing that would deter me from the idea is if people in these positions become inactive. That can be easily fixed as well by always having the next-in-line for the position and NPCs until the position can be filled again. The fact is that if we members want this that first of all we'll have to do our part to make it easy on staff and not discriminate against staff if they happen to attain one of these positions. Also when it comes to Yonkou I think that that positions should be determined by territory. So what I'm saying is a territory system that allows you to save/free/conquer/ islands should be put in place for this. It would make things more interesting also like if an evil crew conquered a island and controls it the good crew needs to face NPCs or even the original evil crew to free it etc. Also Marines and Bounty Hunters could set traps and stuff. Overall it would be a lot of interaction between different factions. But that's just my opinion. Regardless of if this goes through I like this site and I'm here to stay. |
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| Yuan | Jan 31 2012, 01:05 PM Post #18 | ||||||||||||
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Your best nightmare.
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Fleet Admiral will more than likely never, and should never, be a PC-held position. That is going too far. Fleet Admiral controls the overall movement of the marines, including other members' marine characters. That is too much power to put in one member's hands. We're talking about the rank of Admiral, like Akainu, Kizaru and Aokiji. In the rank of Admiral, a member could give orders to another member's marine character, however, if the member has a problem with the orders given, then they can consult a mod, and the IC story would go that their character filed a complaint with the Fleet Admiral and the FA freed them from said order. If we let a member become Fleet Admiral then there would be no one above them in rank, so if someone had a problem with their orders, letting them get out of them wouldn't make sense In Character, cause who would have they gotten approval from? Admiral is an incredibly powerful position, equivalent to Yonkou or Shichibukai. Admiral is high enough for a rank cap, we don't need to open up the Fleet Admiral position. Bounty Hunters don't become Shichibukai. They are supposed to be pirates, as their piracy has been granted legality by the World Government in exchange for their services. I suppose, technically, a bounty hunter COULD become a shichibukai, but that would have to be taken up with the mods. The bounty hunters have their own custom equivalent to the YAS, they are called the Knights or something like that... I know its written down somewhere, but I can't find it... I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "baby-steps" but here's how it works. All of these positions are filled by NPCs, and they will remain that way until these NPCs are taken out (usually by being defeated). I seriously doubt that the mods would just start replacing the NPCs with PCs for no good reason, and I wouldn't want them to. I'm not arguing that the NPCs should be automatically replaced, just that members should be able to hold these positions if they have the power to take them. If a member wants one of these titles, then they will have to take out whoever holds it before them whether they are PC or NPC (Except in the case of Admirals, as marines aren't supposed to fight their superiors to take their ranks. There would have to be some sort of test or something, then one of the admirals could retire or be promoted.) Buster Calls will NEVER be in the control of members. That is something that I agree with absolutely. Even if you put limits on it, that is too much power to put in the hands of a single member. Buster Calls will always be in the control of the mods. Now, I think a PC Admiral could take part in a buster call. If the mods want to use a Buster Call in an SL somewhere, then they could offer the opportunity to the PC Admiral, and if they decline or are busy, then the mods could use the NPC Admiral. If they accept, then they could take part under mod supervision. Of course, from what we have seen, the Admirals don't really 'Participate' in the Buster Call. They just give the order. It is the Vice Admirals that carry out the orders. Yes, if a member who holds one of these positions goes inactive, then an NPC could be brought out of retirement. I'm not sure what you mean by discriminating... The mods RP here with PCs just like everybody else. With their PCs, they RP and advance just like regular members. They only differ from regular members when performing their modly duties. If one of their PC characters advanced up to one of these positions, then it would be done through hard work just like any other member. I don't see why anyone would have anything to say in such a situation. We don't need a Territory system for the Yonkou... The Yonkou are the 4 pirates closest to becoming the Pirate King. However, they cannot advance farther than where they have reached because if one of them did, the other 3 would come crashing down on the to stop them. Its like a mexican standoff. They all have the power to kill each other, but they can't make a move because if they did the other three would combine and destroy them. So, they have a tentative no-hostilities treaty and they wait. They claim territories to set up a sphere of influence which acts like a net, so that no one can pass them by and reach the end of Grand Line without them noticing. No matter what you do you pretty much have to go through one of the Yonkou to reach the end, and if you manage that, then the others will converge on you and take you out. If you want to become a Yonkou, all you should have to do is reach New World and take out one of the existing Yonkou, claim their title, and don't make a move for the end of GL lest you break the no-hostilities pact and the others attack you. Sounds simple, I know, but achieving that would be incredibly hard. If you're strong enough to reach New World and take out a Yonkou, then you deserve the title in my opinion. |
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| ♠ Hainen | Jan 31 2012, 01:17 PM Post #19 | ||||||||||||
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No Fucking Way
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| Chizzah | Jan 31 2012, 01:26 PM Post #20 | ||||||||||||
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I think that explanation you made is great, Yuan. Hopefully it will be like that. :) | ||||||||||||
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| Chips | Jan 31 2012, 01:30 PM Post #21 | ||||||||||||
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It's easy to say yonkou is going to exist for a while. We are like 1 chapter into the new world currently and we still know barely anything about it, so it's hard to create a new world to RP in. | ||||||||||||
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| Yuan | Jan 31 2012, 01:56 PM Post #22 | ||||||||||||
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Your best nightmare.
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I apologize, but I'm not quite sure what point you're making with that quote. I would really appreciate it if you could elaborate a bit... And yes chips, of course we have to be flexible. We don't know what we will be shown in the future. So long as the manga is ongoing we have to be flexible. Of course, this shouldn't be a problem. We are still FAR from anyone reaching a point where they could achieve Yonkou status. No one has even reached the Sea Train Zone to my knowledge. I think we will have seen quite a bit of the New World by the time anyone is ready to enter New World and become a Yonkou. |
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| Chips | Jan 31 2012, 02:01 PM Post #23 | ||||||||||||
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Some crews are only 2-3 islands away from the archipelago. Seeing the activity of some of these crews, I wouldn't doubt if someone reached there in 2-3 months, which is still hardly any time to judge the entire new world. So yeah, I'd still probably say Yonkou is a big ol no for a long time. | ||||||||||||
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| Yuan | Jan 31 2012, 02:05 PM Post #24 | ||||||||||||
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Well, obviously we'd have to wait until New World is created before people could try for Yonkou status. I'm not arguing that members should be able to become Yonkou before they can even enter NW. | ||||||||||||
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| Chizzah | Jan 31 2012, 02:12 PM Post #25 | ||||||||||||
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Until then PCs can aim for Admiral and Shichibukai and Knight (whatever that is). So there's still a lot of goals other than reaching the NW and becoming Yonkou and PK until then. Like I always say: "Don't call me. I'll call you." :) |
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| GlasgowSmiley | Jan 31 2012, 02:59 PM Post #26 | ||||||||||||
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In short he's saying no to all of this because it's in the core system rules. Despite the fact that attaining such a title seems more like flavour (Admiral/Yonkou, shichi kinda offers some perks considering you were a pirate before) it won't ever work out because admirals kinda run the show in the WG's army force (which is literally a world superpower) and Yonkous get so much respect for their power they can rally pirate crews to fight with them along with their own probably big crew (Whitebeard had divisions but also a lot of pirate crews that were just there to help out with no real affiliation to WB). Despite the fact that I mostly agree with you Yuan and kind of think the titles could work out like that, it'll probably never happen. So Vice Admiral, Shichi, those Sea knights are basically your best bet to climb up the ladder. I'm just slightly disappoint of that truth. Edited by GlasgowSmiley, Jan 31 2012, 03:00 PM.
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| Chizzah | Jan 31 2012, 03:13 PM Post #27 | ||||||||||||
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What makes a hero? The dude with a millions of followers that attacks 300 dudes or 300 dudes that have the courage to stand up against millions. The "too much power for one person" thing is kind of not a real reason. Power doesn't always win. I'd rather be an underdog, try to beat the big boss, then take over and wait for the next dude that thinks he's the baddest to take my title. This is fantasy. It's supposed to be thrilling. There's supposed to be drama, tyrants and good ol unfairness because that dudes can go over 9000! Lol Think about it. Would you like to write your role-plays knowing your character is safe or would you like to write adventurous stories with danger and controversy waiting around every corner. That's the essence of role-playing. |
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| SvenFold | Jan 31 2012, 03:41 PM Post #28 | ||||||||||||
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💩Ace💩
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Wasn't Mihawk a former bounty hunter? | ||||||||||||
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| ♥ Singularity | Jan 31 2012, 03:46 PM Post #29 | ||||||||||||
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You don't seem to understand. It's more an issue of limiting the influence a single player can have over the cannon world, it's to avoid for example people marching on impel down with their yonkou status and followers drawn to it taking over and amassing armies. All the elements you described can be perfectly present still, even in a world with limits such as these. |
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| Darkhunter | Jan 31 2012, 04:20 PM Post #30 | ||||||||||||
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No Spyder, that was Zoro also yes, finally Hainen came. i was wondering when he'd show up as I'd already said no since I was forced by Hainen to read Holy Law after I made a mistake once but no one seemed to bother much attention to it. The point is balance. When you're in charge of a super power that creates a imbalance between players bigger than even sd range. Edited by Darkhunter, Jan 31 2012, 04:21 PM.
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