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Topic Started: Jan 15 2012, 03:31 AM (836 Views)
Hainen
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It would be well noted, however, that Nami herself comments that it is the extremely warm, dry climate of Alabasta which enabled her to do it (this pre-dial).

As for suspension of disbelief, that is fine to a degree, but that doesn't mean that there are no standards. Just because our real-world sciences are not applicable does not mean that there aren't a similar set of rules for the OP world.
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Of course. However, one could argue the level of given technology that was the pre-dials Clima Tact could very well have been "beginner level" or something along those lines as Usopp isn't, or at least wasn't at that time, that great of an inventor. All the same, the possibility exists without the use of dials is all I'm getting at, even if only on a small scale.

As far as dials being the "easiest and simplest" method goes, that just ties into wherein these standards are being set. I would say they'd exemplify the site's interpretation of the OP world's rules as far as science/technology goes, but... Considering Pacifistas and their lolasers so far, that'd probably need some ironing out.
Edited by Celes, Jan 16 2012, 08:20 PM.
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guess i would need a heat and cool ball, because if im not already in a hot area it wouldn't work. So to use it my crew would need an inventor and i would need lots of money. For just the cool ball on some sort of iron type weapon how much would i be looking at, just an estimate.
Though i have to agree that Alabasta was early on and mirages though at a smaller scale of one at a time were capable, so even though it is in canon what your saying is the original clima tact is not possible to make?
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Jan 16 2012, 09:45 AM
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Jan 16 2012, 06:49 AM
It'd be easiest/simplest to reproduce the technique with dials. He could try to bs something to make it like Usopp's, but we don't exactly how Usopp made the first clima-tact.
And that's why requiring science and logic for a lot of weapons and equipment and like is silly. We don't know how humans are able to create shockwaves or evoke their "wills" to affect their environments neither, yet they're still allowed without any real justification outside of being "superhuman".
Yes, there may be some things that can't be explained with real world logic. Thats why for some things "anime logic" is followed. But you can't just allow people to do whatever they like using "Well, it can't be explained" as an excuse. Requiring at least semi-logical explanations is the best way to make sure things stay reasonable in the RP.

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Jan 16 2012, 11:37 PM
guess i would need a heat and cool ball, because if im not already in a hot area it wouldn't work. So to use it my crew would need an inventor and i would need lots of money. For just the cool ball on some sort of iron type weapon how much would i be looking at, just an estimate.
Though i have to agree that Alabasta was early on and mirages though at a smaller scale of one at a time were capable, so even though it is in canon what your saying is the original clima tact is not possible to make?
Its not impossible, but you'd need to figure out how to explain how you made it work.

As to the pricing, I won't speculate on that. I'll leave it to a mod. Dark is one of the best pricers around.

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no no no
I'm the worst pricer. I can do some things like pricing dials, and ships but most other things are just beyond me.
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Required dials how much would they cost?

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the original clima tact did not use dials to produce balls, but regular airflow. This could come from either blowing through them or spinning them in her fingers. After skypia her clima tact was upgraded with 3 breath dials to produce a significant;y strong/faster airflow to produce greater and more numerous balls.
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Yes, there may be some things that can't be explained with real world logic. Thats why for some things "anime logic" is followed. But you can't just allow people to do whatever they like using "Well, it can't be explained" as an excuse. Requiring at least semi-logical explanations is the best way to make sure things stay reasonable in the RP.


My comment was solely to AML pointing out that we don't know the specifics to how the Clima Tact was made. Which, obviously, shouldn't/doesn't require -real life- logical and scientific justification. Needless comment.
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Yes, there may be some things that can't be explained with real world logic. Thats why for some things "anime logic" is followed. But you can't just allow people to do whatever they like using "Well, it can't be explained" as an excuse. Requiring at least semi-logical explanations is the best way to make sure things stay reasonable in the RP.


My comment was solely to AML pointing out that we don't know the specifics to how the Clima Tact was made. Which, obviously, shouldn't/doesn't require -real life- logical and scientific justification. Needless comment.
And my point is that, just because we don't know how it works doesn't mean that it should just be allowed. The fact that we don't know how it works means it shouldn't be allowed. People who want this kind of thing are lucky that the mods are willing to work with them to find a way to make an acceptable set-up.

And there's really no reason to keep dragging up real life logic as this already defies any sort of real world logic. Only the most basic principals of the science fit in the real world. All thats being said here is that it needs to be explained in a way that fits the system here. You can't just leave it at "Its a pole with 'stuff' in it that allows it to do these things. No one knows what the 'stuff' is..."

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Hainen>everything else said
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