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Milk logia
Topic Started: Dec 26 2011, 05:13 PM (1,449 Views)
KileyBarker
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Q. Why not?

A. "It doesn't occur naturally"

Reply: Milk does occur naturally. It is as integral a part of nature as the air itself. Mammals produce milk. It is a natural secretion.

You think: "But It still requires a living being to make it. It needs to be completely natural to be a logia df."

Reply: We have a syrup logia and a cotton logia on this board. Both require a living being, albeit plant life, to be created. But the main problem is syrup. Syrup doesn't even occur naturally itself. Sap does. Syrup is made from sap. It requires animal, aka human, intervention to create.

So I raise my question again. Why not have a milk logia? It isn't like it would be overpowered or unbalanced.
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Q: Why have a milk Logia?

Edit: OPEX actually had a milk Logia for a while... It was considered kind of a joke...

Edit2: If we are talking about Logias that should exist, we should be talking about a Wood Logia. It is a perfectly acceptable natural substance, and it is even considered by some cultures to be an element. If the problem is that it is a solid, then I counter that so is Ice. As to what it would control like or look like, I'd say it would look about the same as Yamato's wood element techniques from Naruto.

Wood Logia!

Do it! Do it!
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If I had the traits available to afford a logia, I would want milk. I have so many creative character designs it could fit with.
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By that logic, anything can be a logia. All material and objects at their heart are born, made, and from some aspect of nature.

The idea is that they're formed from nature and the environment only.

Fire, Lightning, Darkness, Swamps, Smoke.

Cotton, Dust, Clay.

Each of them occurs naturally in the environment without assistance from any living being.

Syrup is made from Sap via heat... heat occurs in nature and there's no indicator exactly what Ame is. It's referred to as Candy, Syrup, etc and as far as the site goes isn't that big of a deal.

What you failed to do was add my replies accurately. Milk is produced from a living being. Not the environment itself.

Candy is an example as to why filler fruits aren't normally accepted in site canon any longer.

I'll gladly go and receive SS of my exact responses if it'll help you out. But chances are this is as good of an explanation as you will be getting.
Edited by OnishiGhetto, Dec 26 2011, 05:36 PM.
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This reminds me of when King Arthur, Donkey Kong, and a group of otter-llama hybrids held an intervention to tell me I needed to stop taking LSD.

They were so supportive at the time, but since quitting I haven't seen them even once.
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Dust is nothing but skin cells being shed. Dust shouldn't be a logia by your logic either supa.

I don't accept that the candy logia can be allowed but milk logia can't be. Milk is natural by the same means candy is. Circumstance. Living beings are nothing more than elements from nature combining in specific ways. Your definition of nature seems to be of planets other than earth. Because I am 100% certain living beings are part of nature here on Earth.

"Syrup is made from Sap via heat... heat occurs in nature and there's no indicator exactly what Ame is. It's referred to as Candy, Syrup, etc and as far as the site goes isn't that big of a deal."

By your logic things that can happen by "chance" in nature, without living creatures intervention, can be logias. That is bullshit. If the word "chance" is applied to that definition, then everything can be a logia. Everything happens in nature by chance. Either milk should be allowed or candy and dust should no longer be dfs. Why do they get to be the exceptions to the rules?
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There are no stupid questions only the stupid people that ask them. Joking I think wood should be allowed if dust and oil is to be honest. But wood overlaps with some sort of wood parmencia we have.
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Dust isn't just skin cells, it's the dead cells of anything really. How the site views it, it's technically just like sand only limited to dead cells of trees and such.

Candy wasn't allowed. If you'd bother to ask the mods who were around at the time, none knew of it's acceptance and two of the admin at the moment didn't allow it. It's a remnant of a past era which isn't allowed anymore.

Your happen in 'chance' comment makes no sense.

Your logic of "Allow mine or don't allow these" Makes no sense either.

You ignored the fact that Milk is just a liquid. You ignored the fact that dust, and yes even syrup/candy, are technically aspects of nature.

Dust being dead material from trees and such. Syrup technically being sugar.

Oil occurs in nature, it's found in the ground.

If anyone else needs help in understanding what shows up in the enviorment naturally I'll tell them.

Sugar = Syrup in this sense. Sugar occurs naturally in nature, as much of a stretch as that is, it's one of the reasons Ame wasn't ok'd. Yes it's around now. No, that doesn't mean more mistakes like it will be happening.

Dust = Dust. I don't get how Dust occuring from anything dead means Milk should be allowed. Household Dust is made up of dead skin cells. Using that as an attempt to justify your logic is like saying all manmade fires are made by man. Sure it's true, but it doesn't help anyone.

Oil occurs in nature. How you even remotely got "Oil, Milk, and Dust are kinda the same thing." Confuses me.

What you're not getting Zander is that you aren't 100% from nature. You're born from another mammal into the environment. You don't occur there anymore than say... a spring would.

Guess how that works?

Rubber occurs in nature, but it requires some sort of chemical alteration to it. Plenty of ideas and objects occur in nature.

The idea of separating a Paramecia from a Logia is a simple one. One idea is it occurs and is formed in nature/the environment naturally. This is an idea I cannot help you with. Either you get it or you don't.

Paramecia have a theme. Puppet, Tree, Bark, Plant, are all Paramecia that have a theme. Their common factor is that they're wood. That's four paramecia to cover the 'Wood Logia' idea.

Now, I can't hold your hands in explaining this. Maybe it's because this comes simple to me. But if you don't get it here, you never will. Best I can tell you is to Send Hainen a Private message and let him explain it to you in the simplest way anyone could.

I'll give you a hint


Excuse the rambling, but when you try to explain the same thing to the same people all the time for years and none of them seem to get it. Your ideas begin to just mesh together to preserve your own sanity.

I'd love to organize my thoughts and try to help you further understand this idea. But I'll have to resort to 'No, it could. But we're not allowing it.' Answer. That seems to work best against people such as yourself.

Also, post your topic in the correct area next time.
Edited by OnishiGhetto, Dec 26 2011, 06:07 PM.
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Damn Son
 
This reminds me of when King Arthur, Donkey Kong, and a group of otter-llama hybrids held an intervention to tell me I needed to stop taking LSD.

They were so supportive at the time, but since quitting I haven't seen them even once.
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Paper! =D!

It's made from trees! =D!

Trees make wood! =D!
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Paper is NPC only because it doesn't follow the standard means of what the site's canon sees as a Logia.
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Damn Son
 
This reminds me of when King Arthur, Donkey Kong, and a group of otter-llama hybrids held an intervention to tell me I needed to stop taking LSD.

They were so supportive at the time, but since quitting I haven't seen them even once.
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Paper! =D!
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I must just be dumb. I don't understand at all Supa. I will stop arguing and just accept that it is a no. I really wanted a milk logia though.
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Dust doesn't just refer to dead skin cells in a house... Not all dust is dead skin cells...

Dust also refers to very fine dirt and sand. Its basically sand and dirt particles that have been eroded down almost to the point that the human eye can't see them. Thats what forms what people call "Dust Storms" and "Dust Devils". (Yes, I know there are vacuum cleaners called "Dust Devils" but I am referring to the small tornadoes of dust formed by spiraling air currents in deserts and dusty fields.)

Generally speaking, I think it is too similar to the Suna Suna no Mi... But the argument could be made, so...



You should know, the puppet fruit is no longer on this site, nor should it ever have been. It was a horrible fruit. Made no sense, at least the way it was written. Speak removed it a long time ago.

As for the others, I have never heard of a "Tree" Paramecia or a "Bark" Paramecia.... That sounds ridiculous and I have never seen or heard of those existing.

For the Plant Para, you answered that yourself. If there could be a "Tree" Para, alongside a "Plant" Para, then there could easily be a Wood Logia alongside said Plant Para. And since i tend to not believe that there is a Tree Para, I think it all works out.

And thats not even considering the fact that some of those Paras you mentioned could be just as horribly made as the Puppet, and they could and should be replaced with something much better.


Really I didn't have any problem with your argument Cap until I got to the bottom. Your attitude is terrible. So, I'll end this short and sweet just like you did.

For You Cap

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..So you allow Cotton...dust...clay even... and syrup but no milk?

We might as well have a fruit logia at this point. >.>
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Paper Logia! =D!
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