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Topic Started: Jan 24 2010, 01:50 AM (769 Views)

Versesai

Jan 24 2010, 01:50 AM Post #1

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You're all going to love this, kids. It's time to talk about a very hotly debated subject on OPRP: Mythological Zoans.

From the start, Myth Zoans have been an issue. The myriad of pressing things that are involved in their creation, implementation and all that are, well, rather daunting. What I'm going to talk about with you is an idea that's been had to allow them and I'm going to present it to you now. Please understand that only the idea in the topic is going to be discussed, not anything else regarding the Mythological Zoans or any other potential plans, projects or proposals.

This should also serve as a reminder to everyone that we, your omnipotent Staff Overlords, do listen to your opinion sometimes. Just not often.

So. One of the biggest issues about this is the thinly defined line of what counts as a Mythology and what is just an excuse to have something powerful. The Phoenix is powerful -because- of it's defined Mythology but some Mythologies have stranger concepts, themes and ideas. How one person sees them over how other people see them drastically varies from person to person, even day to day. The major hurdle from the start has not only been some aesthetic issues with the very idea of these fruits, but also how we're going to handle submissions that, potentially, no two moderators agreed upon.

The solution? We're not.

We're not allowing player submissions of these fruits. Every one that exists in OPRP will be crafted by a Moderator or Administrator for the forums and we're not going to look at or encourage any Mythological Zoan submissions. No custom fruits for your character and no submitting them to be added to a list. Strictly produced by staff. Even the list of what fruits we have and don't have will be handled in a similar way to the Random Devil Fruits, kept only by Admins or high level Staff.

There are a variety of reasons for this that I can't really allude to until everything is finished on our side, but I wanted to get feedback from you, our membership. What do you think? Feel free to discuss anything pertaining to the main topic, which is only that we're not allowing player-made submissions, as I am not going to discuss anything else about the Mythological Zoans at this time.

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Jan 24 2010, 04:26 AM Post #2

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Well I understand why you would keep it all in-house when making such items. My definition of Phoenix, dragon, yeti may not be the same as you, and so giving out the powers of such things would be hard. My only thought is, if you are not taking made fruits, then maybe a user made list of beasts to add to your own list of ideas.

For example, I am a fan of Norse mythology, and would love to see such M-Zoans as; Sleipnir (Odin’s 6 legged horse), Fenrir (the wolf that kills Odin during Ragnarök) Your group may never have thought of the two of them. The problems you bring up are strong with the two I picked however. What powers does a god eating wolf have? Well I would say the two are just much more powerful versions of the normal animal, and a simple stat boost to show this would work.

But now I’m getting off topic. I understand what you are doing, but wish for you to consider letting normal members giving ideas. More brains are better than one.

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Jan 24 2010, 11:07 AM Post #3

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As M-Zoans are tempting to have for the newcomers and current members. I do agree they are a No-no.
For the player-made fruits, I think people should still be allowed to use their ideas.

Your missing the whole point of why people come to OPRP. Not to just interact, have adventures and making crews. But also have an ability for their character that they have made and present it to you.

I remember when I was making my own. I too, wanting to make a custom fruit (a Bat Zoan). Of course, was rejected but Admins kindly suggesting the rules.

I understand that their are some who jump-the-gun and think their the star of the OPRP, but I suggest an update of the rules to clear things up. For players to make a better decision when it comes to creating a charatcer and fruit. Also enforcing them to read through it.

Not Monopolizing the ideas for these fruits. That's just an easy, lazy way out of the problem, not concerning of the members.

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Jan 24 2010, 11:44 AM Post #4

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Jan 24 2010, 11:57 AM Post #5

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Jan 24 2010, 11:07 AM
As M-Zoans are tempting to have for the newcomers and current members. I do agree they are a No-no.
For the player-made fruits, I think people should still be allowed to use their ideas.

You're missing the whole point of why people come to OPRP. Not to just interact, have adventures and making crews. But also have an ability for their character that they have made and present it to you.

Now, having the ability that they have made isn't strictly true, is it? Multiple users tend to go for the 'easy, lazy way out of the problem'(cwutididthar?) of making their own abilities by doing the RDF. Further more, users also take known-canon DFs which aren't strictly powers they have made. And more do tend to base their fighting styles, in some distinct form, off characters from the mango/animu. But this is expected; it is an fan RP.

Whilst a large number can boast their ideas as original to some extent, what we are doing with MZoans is hardly a new, limiting idea like you suggest. It is a tried and tested.

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I remember when I was making my own. I too, wanting to make a custom fruit (a Bat Zoan). Of course, was rejected but Admins kindly suggesting the rules.

Yes, Bat Zoan. Flying, restricted to Tier 4. Something to aspire for. Though, arguable not the most original idea as it fondly follows the zoan concept of 'Animal + Forms'.

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I understand that there are some who jump-the-gun and think they're the star of the OPRP,

There is nothing wrong with considering yourself the hero of your own story, just that you consider others as well.

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but I suggest an update of the rules to clear things up. For players to make a better decision when it comes to creating a character and fruit. Also enforcing them to read through it.

...Don't the rules do that? I believe we have an entire topic dedicated to devil fruits alone. But your wording suggests you know of a magical fix, care to share it?

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Not Monopolizing the ideas for these fruits. That's just an easy, lazy way out of the problem, not concerning of the members.

Probably. But the Mythology aspect of the MZoan is a difficult to thing to balance, particularly if people decide to base their 'monopolised' ideas off an almighty deity.

Then we take the One Piece canon aspect of the situation; MZoans are stated as very rare. Rarer then Logia. Making it very unlikely that any can be identified by looks. One would have to eat it to understand its power. It would be entirely random.

On the official side of it, this system also helps prevent characters blatantly scooped or geared towards a certain devil fruit which they would probably have little knowledge of existing. A series of 'Oh hey, this fruit I just ate fits perfectly with my character' feels very inorganic to One Piece. Munch much?

As they are high tier, all the MZoans will clearly be 'good'. You're not going to receive a duff MZoan by any means, if you even manage the task of earning one. A small group of select people who understand the system are making them to be decent, but to not outclass other high level tier DFs like Paramecia or Logia. Balance is key. Something that would be difficult to teach everyone. Even if just those few people aspiring to get one. ('Few' will probably end up being an understatement)

So yes, we probably are taking the 'easy' way out, but by no means the lazy route. We're doing all the work and providing a ready made system for you.

The easy and lazy way out would be banning them altogether.

On a side note, I think Tit is the sidekick.

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Versesai

Jan 24 2010, 12:36 PM Post #6

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Well, let's address the issue of something you said: Myth Zoans are a no-no. How so? How is being able to transform into, let's use Darsis example, Sleipnir, any more a no-no then allowing you to turn into the -concept of light element-? Explain to me how a Sleipnir MZoan would be any more or less of a powerhouse then turning into any of the Logia elements that are in the canon?

We're not taking the lazy route out. We already provide players with means to get fruits they didn't make themselves (Random Fruits and Canon Fruits) if they don't wish to make one themselves. With Myth Zoans, the very concept of their rarity and power means we can't handle them in any other way. No one is going to know what they are, just like Shamma said.

Also Darsis. While I do see a small point in what you said about being allowed to suggest mythologies to handle, most of the OPRP Team is very well versed in lores and mythologies of many cultures. In fact Hainen/Satan/Void is an extremely well versed Norse Mythology Buff. We're also going to do our utmost best to include myths from various cultures as well, even some from the One Piece world. And I've also been working late, late nights a lot trying to come up with interesting mythologies for you folks to murder other people with. :D

Edit: No, Hyper. You don't get your resistance. We're not letting you.

Edited by Versesai, Jan 24 2010, 12:45 PM.

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Jan 24 2010, 12:41 PM Post #7

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Jan 25 2010, 01:05 AM Post #8

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Well, I see clearly where you coming from now. I was judging entirely from this posted topic itself.

So if your aiming for a more original concept for characters to obtain their fruits, then I'm all for and on the wagon with you. ;)

Thanks for clearing that up for me.

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Jan 25 2010, 05:34 AM Post #9

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I think it depends on what the mythology would be- is it simply an animal that doesn't exist aside from mythology or does it include the ones of legend and folktales? Because we have some fictional animals that aren't quite special or have any relevance to mythology or the gods- the jackalope would be a good examples. It's just a rabbit with antlers. A unicorn is another; to be honest I don't know anything about unicorn legends other than the fact that Barbie and a bunch of other companies use it to appeal to girls. Effing horny horses.

Though I don't think a lot of people would come here with their mind set on either fictional animal here. Another is simply a hybrid or a made-up species, most mods seem to shy away from that, even if the species is say a whip-tailed bird or an ankle-striped horse. I'm not complaining, I am just wondering if there is a compromise for zoans that fall outside of species that have existed on earth.

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Versesai

Jan 25 2010, 02:38 PM Post #10

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I'm not really understanding what you mean...?

I can't really also go into the context of what we're looking at qualification wise but for now I'll say we're going to, at least initially, look into Mythologies similar to the baseline we've been given, which is the Mythological Phoenix.

But that's getting off topic. >>

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Jan 25 2010, 07:46 PM Post #11

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I was just trying to say that there are some creatures which would probably be classified as a mythological creature but have no special powers like a phoenix does, and it's mostly just an aesthetic difference.

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Jan 25 2010, 07:49 PM Post #12

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Off topiiic. D: But yeah. Hence why I said we're sticking to the canon baselines in terms of what is and isn't being considered viable.

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Jan 25 2010, 11:21 PM Post #13

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Considering our idea of mythological zoans is that they are both rare and powerful. Thus, things without significant powers or abilities attached to their legends/stories aren't really going to be considered. Unicorns, Bigfoot, etc. Cool, they're mythological, but do they have actual powers that could elevate the fruit to a t2 level at least? No.

That should answer the question...

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Jan 26 2010, 05:41 PM Post #14

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Well, let's address the issue of something you said: Myth Zoans are a no-no. How so?

Wouldn't it be based on the Mythological Creature itself? I mean some creatures from Myth are just half humans half animals, which could be mimicked with having the right Zoan fruit.