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Topic Started: Jul 13 2009, 10:47 PM (1,643 Views)
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Jul 24 2009, 09:13 PM
All of that should be fine save for Poland and the Baltic states. Let's wait to see what Britain, who has indicated he wants Poland left alone, and Russia, who has a legitimate claim to Poland (just as you do) have to say about it. Russia also has a claim to the Baltic States (I didn't add it, since the puppets debate was still ranging at the time). And now that I've searched it, Russia laid claim to Wallachia - which I never knew was another name for Romania.

Let's see if we can work something out. For instance:

You receive Danzig and the Prussia territories linking East Prussia with Greater Germany, along with Romania and the Italian "sliver." Poland cedes the Belarus element of its territory to Russia, which also receives the Baltic States and Moldova. Poland is left as a smaller entity (roughly the size of Belarus), but it's there, so Britain is kinda/sorta appeased.

Or some kind of take on the above. Whatever works.

That would actually be something fun to RP - a treaty and a whole range of talks, et cetera. But it might be easier to agree to something before-hand.

Fair enough?
Basically I don't negotiate for anything that was inside the 1914 borders of Germany or Austria. This includes the "Polish Corridor", Danzig, Posen, West Prussia, East Silesia, Galicia-Lodomeria, Bukovina, Transylvania, South Trent, etc. They're inside my main borders.

Not too interested in Livonia or Poland anyway, so we can leave it completely out as well. If I had them, I'd use them to get rid of my Slavic minorities :P But Romania has strategic value so I won't easily let go of it. Though I was planning on a treaty with Russia even if I got control of the puppets.
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No thanks Canada I'm just fine where I am. I was just saying that because I am the main trouble-causer when it comes to the size of the nations.
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Hah. Alrighty then. Give me the Russian Far East. Now I can really start building myself a huge navy with no problems :P

And don't forget the rest of Sakhalin island too.


It's done.

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Basically I don't negotiate for anything that was inside the 1914 borders of Germany or Austria. This includes the "Polish Corridor", Danzig, Posen, West Prussia, East Silesia, Galicia-Lodomeria, Bukovina, Transylvania, South Trent, etc. They're inside my main borders.

Not too interested in Livonia or Poland anyway, so we can leave it completely out as well. If I had them, I'd use them to get rid of my Slavic minorities :P But Romania has strategic value so I won't easily let go of it. Though I was planning on a treaty with Russia even if I got control of the puppets.


So then, Germany receives Romania, Russia gets the Baltic States, and Poland gets to live for a little while longer.

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No thanks Canada I'm just fine where I am. I was just saying that because I am the main trouble-causer when it comes to the size of the nations.


Alright then.


With everyone's adjustments, here's the updated map:
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Still haven't heard from Egypt, and I don't believe anyone else has any issues. I think we're just about good to go.

Looks nice now. But it'll be a mess once we start going to war with each other.
Edited by Canada, Jul 25 2009, 04:20 PM.
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Nooo. Can you please make Romania (not the real-life borders, but the pre-1914 borders please! Like in the other maps I showed you!) separated by the rest of my state with a border? Like the Baltics and Russia are. I don't want to have annexed it; I have enough Romanians in Transylvania anyway :P
Edited by Germany, Jul 25 2009, 07:37 PM.
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Several things i feel that need clearing up:

First, YOU FORGOT DA MIDDLE EAST, BITCH. :P
Yemen, Qatar, Oman,Bahrain, and some limited sovereignty over the Sudan is all part of the British Empire, as far as i know. I'd also like Palestine, though I think somebody is planning on being a North African/Egypt/Ottoman Empire thingy, and plan on claiming that. But unless they do, I want mah Yemen, Oman and the Coastal Arab States! :P Where else am I gonna git my Oil? Also, if possible, the Suez should be mine, aswell. Again, I'm happy to roleplay stuff with whoever is planning on being the Middle-East Empire thing.

Secondly, you people have no sense of perspective, lol. Germany may *appear* the smallest empire so far but already hes more terrifyingly powerful than anybody else. He's Third Reich 1939 size in 1936, and he has a vaster manpower pool to draw from. You all dont realize what a Horrifying War Machine you are creating by pushing Germany to be this large. He can easily deliver a fuckhuge Blitzkrieg into Russia or France, and bare in mind the 1940 Blitzkrieg was conducted almost solely with the resources of OTL Germany. This Germany is like, 3 times larger and has that much more to throw at the West and East, should they so choose.

Thirdly, I feel we're missing at least 2, maybe 3 Empires from the mix. I understand we're getting a Middle-East Empire, but I'd vastly appreciate it if we could recruit a France and or a Spain and or an Italy, aswell. France and Spain have the most scope, since they both have large overseas Empires(or the potential for them, at anyrate) and can be monarchist, fascist, republican or communist.

Italy would also be interesting, especially if they intend on achieving the rebirth of a Roman Empire, perhaps with a more competent Il Duce like Via Balbo, lol.

Finally, Japan, With such a Huge Empire, i doubt you'll have any manpower left over for a decent Navy, especially since you're going to need every able-bodied Japanese male to safeguard that gigantinormous Land empire which spans at least 300 million hostile people or so. :P
Edited by Great Britain, Jul 25 2009, 07:49 PM.
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Double-post. I think Britain should also control British Somaliland, South Yemen, Cyprus, Oman, Katar, Bahrain, the United Arab Emirates and Kuwait as colonies and/or protectorates; Transjordan, Tibet and Iraq as states under its military occupation; Sudan, as a condominium with Egypt (which is a protectorate but I see it might have a player of its own, though this shouldn't change the fact Sudan is still a condominium) as well as the Irish Free State (as a dominion, and thus not totally independent from London but not a part of the United Kingdom indeed.)

Their borders should be preserved in any case.

Also, a question; I assume Australia and Canada are still British dominions? Since they use the Dominion flags and what not.
Edited by Germany, Jul 25 2009, 07:52 PM.
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/cccp2004/nwomapnew.png

To show what I mean.

(Please use the exact borders for me and Romania if you can.)


That' and I find both Russia's offer of land dumb, and Japan's acceptance even dumber for reasons already stated plus more.
Edited by Germany, Jul 25 2009, 09:04 PM.
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So, the 140 million citizen Germany continues to grow, yes?
If you don't look out, soon you'll have Crimea and then you'd be a self-sufficient country. Then what are you going to do? RP something else than economical enslaving of your neighbors? :P

In any case, you may think the move is unwise, but I'm still saying you'll be sorry once I start lobbing my huge gold and diamond reserves at you and the poor Russia that's lost it's largest valuable metal deposits starts to moan about your unfair economical treaties. And yes, yes, I know gold and diamonds can't fuel my navy, air force or army. But knowing the money-hungry corporate America, they should be more than willing to keep selling me oil, despite my expansion. And on top of this, Sakhalin has vast amounts of oil which I can drill with 1936 technology, even if it's not enough to cover my needs.
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You're still an amateur compared to my grand p[l]an :P

But more seriously, it's not as simple as you thnk. Yes, there are resources, but you flatly and simply cannot, under any circumstances as the situation stands, control the lands you claim efficiently. Your forces will be spread thin, working as firemen across your continental railways. And should anyone, especially Russia, wish to overrun you it will be a matter of time at worst.

As of Russia, the situation is bad indeed. If he does indeed go with this land transfer (though it's not late to actually invalidate it) he loses valuable strategic and economic potential (which you don't gain, by comparison, because of your proximity to the region as well as ownership of far richer regions you could focus on) and I still think it's just as foolish for him to offer you the land as for you to accept it. But overall, I only have to gain out of it in either case :P So I shouldn't complain.

As of self-sufficiency it's not that simple but I have a very surprising, by 1930 standards, grand plan to actually move towards there "asap" and "with or without border changes and/or trade agreements with abroad." You'll see soon enough, but it's nothing surprising by the standards of German innovation :P
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okay Britain this is the "Things Vex can keep" list. Myself, America, and Russia debated for a while and agreed that this is MORE than enough for you to begin with.

- Britain
- North Ireland
- Bermuda
- Bahamas
- India
- South Africa
- Rhodesia
- Ceylon
- Malaya
- Malta
- Nigeria
- Burma
- Maldives and other fucking little islands no one cares about
- The Gambia
- Suez Canal potentially
- Namibia

Also considering we kicked Britain out of the area I guess I'll take the rest of Borneo. As well as Singapore
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