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Liberate Haven
Yes 2 (40%)
No 3 (60%)
Total Votes: 5
Liberate Haven, again
Topic Started: Mar 2 2010, 12:11 PM (262 Views)
Auul
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this has come to my attention time and time again so please vote on it.

Dear honorable World Assembly Delegate,

I would like to bring to light to you the issue of the condemnation of Haven and what has led up to my resorting to this to attempt to break through their thick skulls and send them a message about respect. Allow me to link you to the proposal:

http://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_view_proposal/id=a_mean_old_man_1267123022


The Havenites have crossed the line, and must be showed by the World Assembly members involved in the Security Council that what they are doing is truly wrong. Those who deal with gameplay-related issues (raiders, defenders, and anyone else who acknowledges this profound aspect of the game of NationStates) have respected them, and have respected their right to remain in a secure, password-protected region and remain isolated from the rest of the world, however they have recently continuously betrayed that respect and have disrespected the gameplayers, the World Assembly, and the way we do things in our forums and regions.

The only assault made on the region Haven by gameplayers was by two raiders who attempted to liberate the region. The liberation failed. Miserably. It exploded in the raiders’ faces. However, was this enough for Haven? No! Haven had to vastly troll, flame, and picspam the threads (the term, and pardon me for this, for I was not the one using it, “fucking retards,” was used for raiders and defenders and was thrown around countless times by Havenites in the forums, along with other crude and vulgar insults), spam RMBs, and, finally, to top it all off, raid a region of innocents because it was allied to the region whose delegate submitted the proposal. So, they insult everything gameplayers do, and then go conduct a raid? I was against their liberation before, and still am against it, however this is just ridiculous. They must be revealed to the world.

To strengthen my points even further, Haven has done to the “Condemn Haven” thread exactly what they did to the “Liberate Haven” thread. They trolled and spammed it into oblivion. Both threads are locked by moderators who had to do so to stop the Havenites’ rule-breaking. Havenites apparently cannot communicate in the civil fashion that most of the rest of us in the world can.

The following links are to these two threads – the liberation, which was an abuse of this category that I and the WA could not support and have defeated, and the condemnation, which the Havenites have shut down through their trolling:

Condemn Haven:
http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=1553725#p1553725

Liberate Haven:
http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=37390&start=0

They also went so far as to steal the points I brought up in the condemnation, water them down, and submit a trashy condemnation (then commendation) of their own in an attempt to undermine the original. I personally am appalled that the moderators have decided to leave this blatant theft in the queue, however they have done so and there is nothing I can do about it but be angry.

Undoubtedly, should you support this proposal, the Havenites will send you accusatory messages attempting to make you withdraw your support. I can guarantee you that much of what they say is simply wrong (such as the raiders that have invaded Union of the Snake not being connected to Haven at all; a blatant lie, as they, in their arguments, will mention the raiders being connected to Haven, then say that the raiders are not connected to Haven, then mention the raiders being connected to Haven again, then afterwards attempt to deny the raiders’ connection to Haven, and so on and so forth) however they will continue to spout their lies due to their incredible poor sportsmanship. They often say they don’t give “jack shit” about whether they’re condemned or not. If that’s so, then why do they argue it so much?

No. Haven has done gameplayers and WA members great injustice (while the gameplayers and WA activists attempted to respect them) and have even done other RPers great injustice by being such a poor example of a community that supposedly bases itself around RP. The WA needs to rip their heads out of their own rear ends and show them that the mutual respect of other players is something that must exist here in the world.

Thank you.
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sedge
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All the Haven proposals didn't make it into the queue, so its a bit late for this :P
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The Ruescher Empire
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Ya still not gonna bother with this :P
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Auul
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you guys both said no, but only one of you voted, please vote in the poll at the top of the discussion
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Auul
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ugh, that sounded too formal, or read too formal... i dunno but just vote at the top
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Lol its alright to be formal :P
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Auul
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it just feels... wrong you know? but thanks for using the poll anyways
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im against this and ANY involvement in the haven issues... we do not need any of their problems in our current state...
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What state? A safe and secure state? Or the small and weak state?
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